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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

I'm an advanced/expert skier on gold goats and have pretty average tyrolia demo bindings.  They have worked ok for the past 2 years, but I'm thinking of upgrading to better bindings - like used marker jesters ('11 or '12).  For under $250, is it worth the money to upgrade?  I'm tight on money but have this money to spend and wondering if people think it'll help my skiing noticeably.   

Also, I'm 6'-5", 215 lbs, and assuming the jesters are the way to go, vs. marker griffons. 

Any advice on these questions?


Thanks very much.

post #2 of 24
Of course it's worth it, bindings can be moved to another ski so it's not really a waste. Jesters are great, at your weight even griffons would be perfectly fine. I'm not a fan of demo bindings myself, heavy, slop over time. You could also look around fore some sth14/16 or fks/Pivot bindings. Very solid bindings.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by wasatchwarrior View Post

I'm an advanced/expert skier ............wondering if people think it'll help my skiing noticeably.   

Any advice on these questions?


Thanks very much.


It won't help your skiing in the slightest, let alone noticeably. But I am sure you will find people here who will argue otherwise.
post #4 of 24

IMHO, if your bindings work, new bindings will not change your skiing. If things like not enough elasticity and re-centering speed or too much movement play were affecting your skiing you would be noticing other things, like pre-releases.  You would have to be skiing pretty close to the edge and be a damn good skier to notice it though and you would be a very rare skier indeed.

 

If you want to go to bindings that will allow you to lift your heel when touring the back country, that's another story.  For touring uphill a lighter binding would make a difference too.

 

If heavy bindings are affecting your downhill skiing you're doing it wrong, again imho.  I can't speak to doing tricks in the park though.

post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 

Other bindings I'm looking at:  Look pivot 14, Salomon STH 14 and Rossi FKS 140...recommendations either way, or stick with Marker?  Thank you.
 

post #6 of 24
New bindings won't help your skiing unless something is terribly wrong with your current setup. And I am sure your skis would not appreciate an extra set if holes in them. Spend the money on better boots.
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 

I'm nervous the older demo binding will fail me when skiing something gnarly...

 

I can pick up new '12 jesters or '12 rossi FKS 140s for the same $200 price...recs for going one way or the other?

post #8 of 24

Just treat it like car maintenance.

 

If you're worried about failure, take them in to get inspected and explain to them your concern.  If you have a good shop they can tell if the binding seems solid, do the binding test on it, or at least grease it up(tune up) or whatever.  (note: If they don't have the binding test machine, maybe your shop is not that good).

 

But heck, even if they recommend you don't need to replace but you want to anyway, I'm sure they'll be happy to take your money and do the work, and won't give you a hard time about it.

post #9 of 24

What DIN are the Tyrolias?  (More to the point, what toepiece do they have -- Light or Aero?)

post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 

They are 14 din
 

post #11 of 24

14-DIN demos or Railflex?  I suspect the latter.

 

Either way, I wouldn't bother -- they're solid bindings, with Tyrolia's Aero (race) toe.  I'm 6'1", 205 pounds, and pretty rough on my gear, and I've never had a problem with them.

post #12 of 24

I went from an 11 DIN Tyrolia to Pivot14s and I have noticed a significant improvement wrt retention.  I ski a lot of east coast hard bumps and on my first day with the Pivots I actually felt them "pull me back in" (best way to describe it) and i was able to recover the line when i'm sure my old ones would have released causing me to crash hard. I would have never thought a binding could make that much difference but i now swear by them on my bump skis at least.  As far as the marker royals go, i've only been on the squires and the big plus i found with them was how light they are...but i don't know if the more robust jesters would follows this or not. i didn't like the lack of a confident 'click' when stepping into them but that could have been because they were demo binders. I have not experienced a pre-release on the pivots (own two sets on bump and park skis), demo px12s (2 deep days on some S3s) or the marker squire demo (1 day on Soul Rider at kicking horse).

 

Good luck...and where are you finding the jestors/fks for 200? around here they are 400-450.
 

post #13 of 24

Pivots are great on bump skis, without question.

 

But 11-DIN Tyrolias typically have the SL (superlight) toe, which is (IIRC) the lowest adult spec toe.  The next up is LD (light diagonal).  The Aero/Race toe is on some 13- and 14-DIN Tyrolias (including all demos in that DIN range), and all 15 and higher.  It's like comparing a Chevy Aveo and a ZL1.

post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

It won't help your skiing in the slightest, let alone noticeably. But I am sure you will find people here who will argue otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

IMHO, if your bindings work, new bindings will not change your skiing.

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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

New bindings won't help your skiing unless something is terribly wrong with your current setup.

 

Agreed.  Dropping $250 on bindings in an attempt to improve your skiing is a waste of money.  If you still want to, by all means go for it, but don't expect it to change much of anything.

post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by TheDad View Post

14-DIN demos or Railflex?  I suspect the latter.

 

Either way, I wouldn't bother -- they're solid bindings, with Tyrolia's Aero (race) toe.  I'm 6'1", 205 pounds, and pretty rough on my gear, and I've never had a problem with them.

 what he said.  IIRC the top tyrolia demo is only a 13 Din (SP130) but it does have the aero toe.  Only real downside with it is that the ramp angle is quite high.   Otherwise a very good binding as with all Tyrolias. IF it is in such a state that it is actually falling apart and liable to fail then do yourself (and your skis) a favor and replace with a Tyrolia FF binding.  You will find that the heel piece uses the same holes so you would just need to redrill the toes

post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 

Actually, I was wrong - the max din is 12 - they are Tyrolia SP 12s

These bindings are probably just fine, huh?

post #17 of 24
I wouldn't trust my life with demo bindings. The only decent demos I've seen are the marker griffon, even then I've seen many pre-releases on less than stellar terrain to never use them. Maybe it's just me and I'm overly cautious.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by wasatchwarrior View Post

Actually, I was wrong - the max din is 12 - they are Tyrolia SP 12s

These bindings are probably just fine, huh?

 

Like these, more or less (aside from cosmetics)?

 

 

 

Those use the midrange LD toe -- good, not great.  What DIN are you running at?  Assuming you're at 10 or lower, and that you're planning to get rid of these in the next two seasons, I wouldn't bother -- I'd save the money and put it towards the next pair.

 

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Originally Posted by huhh View Post

I wouldn't trust my life with demo bindings. The only decent demos I've seen are the marker griffon, even then I've seen many pre-releases on less than stellar terrain to never use them. Maybe it's just me and I'm overly cautious.

 

I've got to disagree here.  The Marker Royals (Griffon and Jester) are fine, but so are Look and Tyrolia.

post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by huhh View Post

I wouldn't trust my life with demo bindings. The only decent demos I've seen are the marker griffon, even then I've seen many pre-releases on less than stellar terrain to never use them. Maybe it's just me and I'm overly cautious.

 

Since the Griffons are identical with the exception of a worm screw to move on the mounted plate, I'd sure like to know why this would be.

 

Also, fyi, used the Head/Tyrolia RFD 14's for last 4-5 years, and never had a problem whatsoever.

post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 

I'm running 12 din on the 120s...the pic you attached is pretty much what I have.  I've skied them 2 years hard and have had no pre-release, no problems. 
 

post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by wasatchwarrior View Post

I'm running 12 din on the 120s...the pic you attached is pretty much what I have.  I've skied them 2 years hard and have had no pre-release, no problems. 

 

So you were thinking of changing why?????? rolleyes.gif
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post


So you were thinking of changing why?????? rolleyes.gif

 

I figured it might be a good idea to upgrade to a really solid binding and not chance it.  Sounds like I shouldn't bother...


Edited by wasatchwarrior - 10/2/12 at 8:56pm
post #23 of 24

Yeah.  If it ain't broke....

post #24 of 24

I agree with TheDad....while you are at the top of the DIN setting (not a good thing normally) I'd save the expense if they are doing the job and save the money for the next set of skis/binding combination that better suit your abilities (and not to mention your size).

 

One binding I would look at are the Look/Rossi/Dynastar 18 series (either PX or Pivots) as they generally run from 8-18DIN and are metal.  Possibly 15's if you can get a deal.  Downside, while they have great retention they are heavy.  On the 14's the toe is different and also made of plastic, function differently and not much of wt advantage.

 

If you're going to buy get something, go with something solid which increases the boot/ski interface, you'll appreciate long term no matter which binding you select.

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