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2013 Blizzard Magnum 8.0 CA vs Magnum 8.0 Ti

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I was just wondering if anyone has had the opportunity to demo both the 2013 Blizzard Magnum 8.0 CA and 2013 Blizzard Magnum 8.0 Ti  and how they compared?

 

I would also be curious as to how they compare with last years 2012 Blizzard Magnum 8.1 (not sure about Rocker/Flipcore).

 

I live in the Mid-West and own many hard snow race carvers but want to add something more versatile for that rare natural snow day, Spring slop and maybe a future trip West. A ski that can handle the hard stuff, float in the soft stuff and plow through crud (truly all terrain). I also want something that's fairly easy to ski on our 400' of vertical and not too wide. Many of the ski's I've demoed in this category are just too burly for the Mid-West and need to be pushed really hard to perform. I don't want to have to ski this particular ski  as hard as I do my race ski's but still want some stabilty and edge grip when I do. 

 

I'm really partial to Blizzard but open to others such as the new Rossignol Pursuit HP or Head Rev.

 

Please let me know your thoughts, thanks!

post #2 of 32

there is a pair of video via skis.com from a "Brad" who commented on the difference specifically for lighter skiers. he says he weighs 145lbs if that helps.

 

check out his review on the bottom left for the CA  (videos tab)

http://www.skis.com/Blizzard-Magnum-8.0-CA-Skis-2013/275158P,default,pd.html

 

then him on the TI (bottom right)

http://www.skis.com/Blizzard-Magnum-8.0-Ti-Skis-2013/275154P,default,pd.html

 

 

Dawgcatching also has his review:

http://www.dawgcatching.com/blog/ski/video-review-2013-blizzard-magnum-8-5ti-and-magnum-8-0ti

 

which also has a thread somewhere here.

post #3 of 32
Thread Starter 
I will check it out, thanks.
post #4 of 32
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post

I was just wondering if anyone has had the opportunity to demo both the 2013 Blizzard Magnum 8.0 CA and 2013 Blizzard Magnum 8.0 Ti  and how they compared?

 

I would also be curious as to how they compare with last years 2012 Blizzard Magnum 8.1 (not sure about Rocker/Flipcore).

 

I live in the Mid-West and own many hard snow race carvers but want to add something more versatile for that rare natural snow day, Spring slop and maybe a future trip West. A ski that can handle the hard stuff, float in the soft stuff and plow through crud (truly all terrain). I also want something that's fairly easy to ski on our 400' of vertical and not too wide. Many of the ski's I've demoed in this category are just too burly for the Mid-West and need to be pushed really hard to perform. I don't want to have to ski this particular ski  as hard as I do my race ski's but still want some stabilty and edge grip when I do. 

 

I'm really partial to Blizzard but open to others such as the new Rossignol Pursuit HP or Head Rev.

 

Please let me know your thoughts, thanks!

From what you are saying the Ti version might be more your ticket, it will perform better on harder snow but still be good is softer conditions. The Pursuit is much more hard side biased and although they say it has "rocker" it is minimal of any. The Rev will not have the hard snow grip you are asking for. The 8.0Ti could be the best balance of the skis you have listed. 

post #5 of 32
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply, good information.

 

I'm not so much concerned with hard snow performance with this particular ski, the first priority is ease and versatility.

 

I tried last years Magnum 8.1 Ti (172cm) because of its hard snow capability with added versatility but found it required lots of input and was somewhat difficult to ski on smaller 400' Midwestern hills (same with MX78 in 176cm). I'm looking more for a somewhat easier going relaxed ski for conditions other than the hard pack and ice I normally ski, but not a total noodle. (I'm out of my element in softer/deeper snow) 

 

I assume the CA is easier and more forgiving than the Ti but how much performance is actually lost at speed? 

 

Being an aggressive 50 year old, 5' 10", 180lb skier would I overpower the CA? (note that I will purchase either version in 172cm)

 

Can I also assume the CA is better/easier in soft snow?

 

Does the fact that this years 8.0 Ti  now has Flipcore make it easier or better than last years 8.1 Magnum?

 

I initially wanted the 8.0 Ti but fear it will be too similar to last years 8.1, thus I'm now leaning toward the CA?

 

Thanks again for the help!

post #6 of 32

Hi, have you tried Rossignol Experience 88 TPX? I am trying to find out more myself but my friend demo the ski, and loved

post #7 of 32
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post

Thanks for the reply, good information.

 

I'm not so much concerned with hard snow performance with this particular ski, the first priority is ease and versatility.

 

I tried last years Magnum 8.1 Ti (172cm) because of its hard snow capability with added versatility but found it required lots of input and was somewhat difficult to ski on smaller 400' Midwestern hills (same with MX78 in 176cm). I'm looking more for a somewhat easier going relaxed ski for conditions other than the hard pack and ice I normally ski, but not a total noodle. (I'm out of my element in softer/deeper snow) 

 

I assume the CA is easier and more forgiving than the Ti but how much performance is actually lost at speed? 

 

Being an aggressive 50 year old, 5' 10", 180lb skier would I overpower the CA? (note that I will purchase either version in 172cm)

 

Can I also assume the CA is better/easier in soft snow?

 

Does the fact that this years 8.0 Ti  now has Flipcore make it easier or better than last years 8.1 Magnum?

 

I initially wanted the 8.0 Ti but fear it will be too similar to last years 8.1, thus I'm now leaning toward the CA?

 

Thanks again for the help!

 

 

Why not the 8.5ti ? 5'10" 180? Aggressive? I'd think you would like a little metal in the mix in any case. The E88 might work as well if you like shorter turns.

post #8 of 32
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post


 

I live in the Mid-West and own many hard snow race carvers but want to add something more versatile for that rare natural snow day, Spring slop and maybe a future trip West.

 

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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post

Thanks for the reply, good information.

 

I'm not so much concerned with hard snow performance with this particular ski, the first priority is ease and versatility.

 

 

Given that you said (twice) that you don't care too much about hard snow performance for this particular purchase, I'm not sure why you are getting so many hard snow biased suggestions. IAC, the metal bearing (Ti) Blizzis are excellent for what they are. However, the Mag 8.0 CA is a very good call if what you want is a relatively narrow mixed snow biased ski that is a little easier going. FWIW, there are a lot of really good skis that don't have metal in them in the range of 80-90mm in width. Of course they do sacrifice a little in the hard snow area (that you say you don't care about very much) but they also are easier and more versatile (which you say you do care about)

 

Your initial thought favoring the 8.0 CA was pretty good.

 

SJ

post #9 of 32

^^^^ What he said, will add that if you want these for future trips west too, you could even shade toward middle high 80's. Nordica Steadfast, for instance, has some familial resemblance to Blizzies, pretty versatile ski, won't have issues with midwest hardpack or crud unless it's a day where you'd be on your race carvers.  

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^^^^ What he said, will add that if you want these for future trips west too, you could even shade toward middle high 80's. Nordica Steadfast, for instance, has some familial resemblance to Blizzies, pretty versatile ski, won't have issues with midwest hardpack or crud unless it's a day where you'd be on your race carvers.  

 

Absolutely correct, and that arena would be my choice too. However, since that wasn't the question I mentioned it only in passing. There are some great, versatile mixed snow skis in the mid-high 80's and the SF, the Dynastar Outland 87, Rossi Exp 88, and Head Rev 90 are just a few. None are ice picks but all are very fun to ski.

 

SJ

post #11 of 32

I'm in Mpls and considering many of the same skis:

 

Blizzard 8.0 ti and ca,

 

Nordica Burner and Steadfast,

 

Rossi Exp 83 and 88.

 

What have you decided to do?

post #12 of 32

I think you should ski them before deciding. They new flipcore Magnum stuff felt decidedly more "all mountain" and less "carver" than the old ones.  Probably better for us folks out here, primarily skiing off-piste, but if I lived in the upper Midwest, I would still be looking at something like an MX83, which is a sick ski on hard snow, yet still gets it done really well off-piste.  I also felt the REV 85 was more biased toward softer snow too, as was the Outland 85.  For your situation, from Blizzard, I would try to find a NOS Magnum 8.1, it would likely be a better ski. I just can't imagine you are getting the soft 6-12 inches of crud on a regular basis that I get here, and would use that ski primarily in.
 

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post #13 of 32
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the feedback, unfortunately there is Little on no opportunity to demo here in the Midwest prior to purchasing. I guess for this particular ski, hard pack isn't my first priority, I have a quiver fill of race carvers. I'm really looking for this ski to complement them and be a more forgiving, easier going all mountain ski. If I were to only own one pair of ski's I totally agree with what you are saying. I'm still undecided but leaning toward the 8.0 CA?

post #14 of 32

Same problem I have.  Been looking at the 8.0ca for something a little more forgiving than the 8.0ti.   The Rossi 88 is supposed to be great--I think they have them at Joes and REI.  Was thinking about the Burner too, which is essentially a narrower Steadfast. (84mm vs 90)  I don't really know how it will go in really crappy snow, but the grooming these days makes nearly everything skiable.  And if the snow is that bad I wont be skiing...

post #15 of 32
Thread Starter 

For skiing primarily in the Midwest I'm very hesitant to go wider than 80mm under foot, we seldom get enough fresh snow in one shot to justify needing anymore.  I'm also so used to skiing sub 70mm race carvers that anything much wider feels like overkill and somewhat awkward.

post #16 of 32
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post

Thanks for the feedback, unfortunately there is Little on no opportunity to demo here in the Midwest prior to purchasing. I guess for this particular ski, hard pack isn't my first priority, I have a quiver fill of race carvers. I'm really looking for this ski to complement them and be a more forgiving, easier going all mountain ski. If I were to only own one pair of ski's I totally agree with what you are saying. I'm still undecided but leaning toward the 8.0 CA.

 

Why are you still undecided?

 

SJ

post #17 of 32
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

The new flipcore Magnum stuff felt decidedly more "all mountain" and less "carver" than the old ones. 

What does this mean? Less edge hold? Softer torsional? More advanced technique needed to carve on?
post #18 of 32
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post

Thanks for the feedback, unfortunately there is Little on no opportunity to demo here in the Midwest prior to purchasing. I guess for this particular ski, hard pack isn't my first priority, I have a quiver fill of race carvers. I'm really looking for this ski to complement them and be a more forgiving, easier going all mountain ski. If I were to only own one pair of ski's I totally agree with what you are saying. I'm still undecided but leaning toward the 8.0 CA?

I like the CA. It is more supple than the ti, which can feel a bit stiff and burly at times. It would probably be the way I am leaning too.  Especially as a primarily narrowish off-piste ski, which is more or less how it was designed.  The 8.0ti is good in bumps, the CA more suited to them though!  Plus, it is a Blizzard, so still not a wimpy pushover ski. 

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post #19 of 32
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What does this mean? Less edge hold? Softer torsional? More advanced technique needed to carve on?

You know the feel of a carver pulling you into the turn? Exiting the old turn, I am drifting toward the tail; then I release, relax, go flat on the skis, pull my feet back, somewhat engage the tips, and begin to tip and load the skis?  Well, on a carver/hard snow ski, when you do this, instantaneously you see edge engagement and power building under the edge (just like in a high performance RWD sportscar with summer tires and stiff suspension).  Make a movement, it is amplified (or dulled less) for maximum power, engagement, and g-forces building.  

 

On the new Magnum, with the tip being a bit more dis-engaged; I found on hard snow, there is a delay in edge/snow contact time, and it takes more edge angle to "get it arcing" vs a carver, which starts arcing at low edge angles.  It skis "de-tuned" if you will.  The carver wants to turn, the Magnum 8.0 has to be asked to turn. It is a significant difference in feel from the old Magnum 8.1, which was close to the "wants to turn" feel.  Once you get it up onto edge, it builds power just fine, but it is more mellow in getting there, which is a big plus in off-piste conditions.  It won't always be searching for an edge in cruddy snow, making for a much less demanding ride. 

 

I found this to be less noticeable on soft snow, where I can get the tip to engage close to that of a carver feel.  

 

A ski with a mellower tip designed to ski better in junk snow and bumps will also be de-tuned to the point it is less responsive on harder snow.  Based on how I ski, I like the new Magnum 8.0 and 8.5 series better than the old lineup, which typically skied like wider, stiff carvers (AKA Volkl AC50). I tend to be off piste nearly all of the time, and I like something versatile. They are still responsive enough, just not like the old Magnum 8.1.  If they were cars, the new Magnum series would be like a 2013 BMW X3: crossover SUV with performance on any road condition. The old Magnum series would be the 328xi M-sport edition.  More fun to "drive" in the right conditions, but no clearance for off-road adventures, and limited even in deeper snow. 

 

I like the issues in this thread, as Buckwild noted when starting it: skis are designed to do certain things well, and width isn't always a good indicator of what the ski was designed to do.  A guy like him, who doesn't ski much fresh snow, but needs a versatile off-piste ski to handle trees and bumps, will be very different from someone out West skiing 2 feet+ of deep snow on a regular basis.  Obviously, he isn't going to want or need something 100mm+ for skiing bumps and the occasional few inches of new in Minnesota, and the guy out West isn't going to look at an 80mm ski for off-piste skiing, unless it hasn't snowed in 2 weeks or is springtime.  I skied the 8.0ti a lot this spring, mostly because I was skiing bumps and trees, but not much new snow. 

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post #20 of 32
Thanks dawg that's great info. Now I wait. I skied on Magnum 7.6 last year, east coast mostly on piste. Love them, but sold them and bought 8.0 CA's pro deal in the eternal quest for the perfect ski - and now just wonder,wonder, wonder if I would have been happier on my old skis most days. Going for my Level II as well.
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Thanks dawg that's great info. Now I wait. I skied on Magnum 7.6 last year, east coast mostly on piste. Love them, but sold them and bought 8.0 CA's pro deal in the eternal quest for the perfect ski - and now just wonder,wonder, wonder if I would have been happier on my old skis most days. Going for my Level II as well.

Hard to say: the 7.6 wasn't the 8.1 in terms of performance.  I would rather take an 8.1 or Supersonic for groomers, prefer the 8.0 for varied skiing. 

 

Let us know when you actually ski them! 

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Thanks dawg that's great info. Now I wait. I skied on Magnum 7.6 last year, east coast mostly on piste. Love them, but sold them and bought 8.0 CA's pro deal in the eternal quest for the perfect ski - and now just wonder,wonder, wonder if I would have been happier on my old skis most days. Going for my Level II as well.

 

Yes, you undoubtedly would have been. Your selection of the 8.0 CA will be a complete disaster. You should immediately unload those 8.0 CA and begin the quest for something newer and more better gooder. I know for (almost) sure that Blizz has an entirely new ski called the "short magnum" coming for 2013-14. The ideal model for you will be the 7.62 short magnum. This will enable you to skip the L-2 exam and go right to L-4.

 

You heard it here first.

 

SJ

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

Thanks dawg that's great info. Now I wait. I skied on Magnum 7.6 last year, east coast mostly on piste. Love them, but sold them and bought 8.0 CA's pro deal in the eternal quest for the perfect ski - and now just wonder,wonder, wonder if I would have been happier on my old skis most days. Going for my Level II as well.

Yes, you undoubtedly would have been. Your selection of the 8.0 CA will be a complete disaster. You should immediately unload those 8.0 CA and begin the quest for something newer and more better gooder. I know for (almost) sure that Blizz has an entirely new ski called the "short magnum" coming for 2013-14. The ideal model for you will be the 7.62 short magnum. This will enable you to skip the L-2 exam and go right to L-4.

You heard it here first.

SJ

Damn. OK I put my skis up for sale on another thread and called Blizzard to pre-order the Shorts.


















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Yep.....just watch yer chamber pressure......biggrin.gif

 

SJ

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I'm in almost exactly the same boat as the original poster and some of the repliers and looking at the same skis - Magnum 8.0 Ti and the Magnum 8.0 CA and possibly the Magnum 8.5 Ti.  I'm wondering if height and weight make a difference here?  I'm 6'2" and 220 (well 230 but looking to drop that 10 before ski season) and am concerned the CA might not be enough ski?  thoughts?

post #26 of 32

I just went and bought the 8.0 ca.  Why not?  All of the skis are so nice these days.  Sell it next year if you like.  It's just a bit of money--your time is worth more.

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I'm in almost exactly the same boat as the original poster and some of the repliers and looking at the same skis - Magnum 8.0 Ti and the Magnum 8.0 CA and possibly the Magnum 8.5 Ti.  I'm wondering if height and weight make a difference here?  I'm 6'2" and 220 (well 230 but looking to drop that 10 before ski season) and am concerned the CA might not be enough ski?  thoughts?

You need to have some other comparison to guide your choice and how you fit into the average.  Have you ever had a ski where it's too floppy, or conversely one that seemed too stiff and rigid.

If someone else your size and weight is saying a particular ski seems floppy, but you go and try it and think it's overly stiff; then you know your ski style matches better with softer skis.  (Matches means more fun, not any technical metric)

 

But if you don't have those datapoints or input to give in, and just say " give me what is designed for the average advanced skier of my size", then yes the Ti skis are better suited for your weight.

post #28 of 32
Thread Starter 

I pulled the trigger on a pair of 8.0 CA's as well. What the heck, if you don't try them you'll never know!

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I'm in almost exactly the same boat as the original poster and some of the repliers and looking at the same skis - Magnum 8.0 Ti and the Magnum 8.0 CA and possibly the Magnum 8.5 Ti.  I'm wondering if height and weight make a difference here?  I'm 6'2" and 220 (well 230 but looking to drop that 10 before ski season) and am concerned the CA might not be enough ski?  thoughts?

 

Ed

 

Where do you ski?  What are you looking for in the ski?  What other skis do you own?  Will this be your only ski? 

 

I would tend to lean towards the TI versions for you at your weight.  The CA is not soft and will be stiffer than the Bushwacker but it will lack a skosh of torsional stiffness on the hardest of snow and at 220 to 230 you will be pushing the torsional rigidity of a ski more than the average skier (I'm in our weight class as well).   If you're mostly skiing softer snow, don't ski at high speeds, don't tip the ski up at high edge angles, and want to save a few $$ the CA would be more than adequate.   I don't think you'll find a beefier ski construction at $599 but I could be wrong.

post #30 of 32

I don't know, I only know it's driving me bonkers trying to figure out what binding these are on the Magnum 8.0 Ti skis at the Blizzard website...especially since they are sold flat.

 

Probably silly but I'd like to know!

 

http://www.blizzard-ski.com/int/products/detail/product/show/magnum-80-ti-suspension.html

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