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The Cochise isn't a powder ski and not very playful. Many better choices for pure powder. The Nordica Patron (no metal) and Hellderado (metal) are getting raves this year. Armada JJ, Rossi 7 probably not enough hard snow performance but Rossi Super 7 and Squad 7 could be worth a look.  Check reviews.

Thanks Dave. Glad I am getting the Bones for all mountain. I'll look at the Nordicas but don't care for my Steadfast at all. I loved my Rossignol Bandits I used to own so I'll check them out. I don't think my shop sells Armada's. What about Line Mr. Pollard Opus'? Love my Lines.
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At this point you know everyting  I know. My only suggestion is that since genuine powder skis are a new thing for you demo a bunch when you are out west and see what you like. Try them even if there isn't epic powder because that will tell you the ones that are versatile and not 'one trick ponies'.

post #63 of 73

Here is a good source for reviews of fat skis.  I like the Blister reviews.

 

http://blistergearreview.com/index-ski-reviews

 

I've used a variety of powder skis  in the past and these skis have strengths and weaknesses for different conditions, terrain, and skiing style.  I currently have the JJs and love them.  Since I ski a bit of everything, I like a well rounded ski that is oriented more toward the PLAYFUL end of things.  I  also want a fat ski that will be at least decent on groomers, crud, bumps, etc, although the overall orientation is to be fun in powder whether in a bowl, chute or trees.  Will probably pick up a pair of Atomic Automatics this year as it seems to be a balanced ski for what I want, but I'm also considering the Moment Bibby Pro.  The JJs and soon the Automatics balance my quiver, which also includes the Bones.  The Bones are really more of a hard charging open area ski that works well in a variety of conditions. I found the Bones to be great all-around-ski for me that does best skiing fast in open bowls, but also skis well in bumps, tress etc even though the latter is not the Bones forte.  Had no issues with the bones in powder, but the JJs are more fun in deep snow.

 

Again, my advice is to honestly assess what your style of powder skiing is and where  you will use the skis, and then focus on finding a ski that is a balance for your other skis AND  how you want to ski.

post #64 of 73

another thought is to not buy a fat ski and rent some fatties when you go west.   This would allow you to demo some skis and get an idea of what you like.

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another thought is to not buy a fat ski and rent some fatties when you go west.   This would allow you to demo some skis and get an idea of what you like.

Most likely what I'll do just want an idea of what to demo.
post #66 of 73

procos, grew up in MI... we skied 'powder' on 65-68mm skis, and 'backcountry' on traditional cross country skis doing sketchy telemark turns. In MI, you're probably never going to experience true off piste, non-skier compacted 3' deep powder. Whatever you're going to get will be more than skiable on anything you already have in your pretty substantial quiver. Even on your trip out west, you're more than likely NOT going to hit a truly deep deep day. You might, and if the forecast looks big, this is when to take some powder skis out for a spin. The S7, Super 7, and Squad 7.. .JJ's, etc... should all be on your list. If you skied and loved the 193 Bandit XXX or 195 B4 (two sheets of metal in the longest length, very different than the shorter ones), then try the Bodacious. Remember that you'll be skiing chopped up powder by about 11:00am, so choose accordingly. This is where a Cochise or Bodacious will shine. Anyhow, have fun. I'm sure many would like to have your quiver quanrdry. Out here, most of us use a couple pairs of skis, a few use three. A hard piste ski, an all mountain daily driver, and a big ski. Add another pair or two if you tour or telemark. The worst part is sitting around waiting for someone to figure out which ski they're going to schlep up to the hill. I don't wait anymore. smile.gif

 

Where are you in MI?

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procos, grew up in MI... we skied 'powder' on 65-68mm skis, and 'backcountry' on traditional cross country skis doing sketchy telemark turns. In MI, you're probably never going to experience true off piste, non-skier compacted 3' deep powder. Whatever you're going to get will be more than skiable on anything you already have in your pretty substantial quiver. Even on your trip out west, you're more than likely NOT going to hit a truly deep deep day. You might, and if the forecast looks big, this is when to take some powder skis out for a spin. The S7, Super 7, and Squad 7.. .JJ's, etc... should all be on your list. If you skied and loved the 193 Bandit XXX or 195 B4 (two sheets of metal in the longest length, very different than the shorter ones), then try the Bodacious. Remember that you'll be skiing chopped up powder by about 11:00am, so choose accordingly. This is where a Cochise or Bodacious will shine. Anyhow, have fun. I'm sure many would like to have your quiver quanrdry. Out here, most of us use a couple pairs of skis, a few use three. A hard piste ski, an all mountain daily driver, and a big ski. Add another pair or two if you tour or telemark. The worst part is sitting around waiting for someone to figure out which ski they're going to schlep up to the hill. I don't wait anymore. smile.gif

Where are you in MI?

Yeah I know all about out west powder conditions. I lived in Aspen, CO from 1991-1994. I'll probably hold off on powder skis and wait until I can demo some anyways.

Thanks,

Chuck
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Wow that makes u so cool!!

 

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I guess you missed the 'unless you put in a lot of days on a big hill' part. You're skiing Tahoe, the OP's from MI and he's looking for a western quiver ski. Honestly, the bodacious will never have a reason to come out of the closet while he's on his home hill. My advice was to demo as there may be other skis that he'd like better for his weight. It's a ski that a lot of lighter skiers don't really dig as much as some others, but hell, it might be your favorite... It's been pretty consistent in reviews (and in my experience and affinity for damp, stable skis) that for a larger skier, it's a great ski with a lot of versatility. It's my favorite 115+ ski on the market. For lighter skiers, it's apparently less so and more of a point'em down and go ride. Correctly match any ski's characteristics to the venue, the riding style and weight of the skier, and you'll end up on the right ski, gender be damned. smile.gif

 

My point was I'm surprised Blizzard made the Bodacious in such a short length, and I do suspect it was targeting really aggressive female skiers.  It's not about being cool or "short skis suck, long skis truck" - it just seems like a bit of a contradiction to have a ski 118mm underfoot that short... unless the person skiing it happens to be 5' 3" in which case it would make a lot more sense.  Get it?

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My point was I'm surprised Blizzard made the Bodacious in such a short length, and I do suspect it was targeting really aggressive female skiers.  It's not about being cool or "short skis suck, long skis truck" - it just seems like a bit of a contradiction to have a ski 118mm underfoot that short... unless the person skiing it happens to be 5' 3" in which case it would make a lot more sense.  Get it?

Yeah I was out of line with my comment. I understand what you are saying.
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My point was I'm surprised Blizzard made the Bodacious in such a short length, and I do suspect it was targeting really aggressive female skiers.  It's not about being cool or "short skis suck, long skis truck" - it just seems like a bit of a contradiction to have a ski 118mm underfoot that short... unless the person skiing it happens to be 5' 3" in which case it would make a lot more sense.  Get it?

All except the last two words. cool.gif
post #71 of 73

^^ Okay, how about this then... The Bodacious is a serious, big mountain ski (this is what Arne would have used on the FWT), so why on Earth would you ever recommend it to someone for use other than on a "real" mountain, regardless of length or the skier's weight?  Oh, you're 165 pounds, definitely the 176 for you - I think that's a ridiculous statement, but whatever.

post #72 of 73
Whoa bud. Who pee'd in yer Wheaties this morning J? You miss the emoticon, or are you just giving the old punch in the ribs? The OP said he wanted a specific western powder ski and mentioned thE Bodacious. IMHO, its a great ski, but suggested he demo first. If I were in his shoes, I'd demo,the 186 and the 176 ( he said he really liked his 178 Line 100's), but neither might work for him at his weight and given the number of days he''ll spend out west where it might be of use. They might work great for you though and said as much. No, I didn't suggest that YOU ski it in a 176. I didn't tell the OP rush out 'buy it!', and even mentioned that he'd have few reasons if ever to use it in MI. I'd guess he'd love a Super 7 and call it good. He can figure out the length. All that said, I have no idea why you're bent out of shape with what I've posted other than the whole 176 thing, which was a thought, not a blanket recommendation. if what I post bothers you, I'd suggest the 'ignore' function, or just let it go. It'll snow soon, and I'm guessing we'll all lighten up a bit once the season gets going. Cheers... Seriously.
Edited by markojp - 9/30/12 at 8:45pm
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Whoa bud. Who pee'd in yer Wheaties this morning J?

 

You don't want to know - long story.  ;-)

 

Okay, fair enough.  And yeah, it needs to snow.

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