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post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
Great win for the USA in the World Cup Soccer, thought someone would have had something to say about it.
post #2 of 33
nomad....
it's footie or football, not bloody soccer!!!

It was a cracking game....nice goal from Lewis (Fulham, UK player by the way!.. [img]smile.gif[/img] ) to Donovan who headed it into the back of the net.

NOW ARE THERE ANY AMERICANS OUT THERE WHO APPRECIATE THE RECENT ACHIEVEMENTS OF THEIR FELLOW COUNTRY MEN??????

If not why not???????????????

cheeky j
post #3 of 33
I have been talking a lot about the Yank effort at the World Cup, but only to my friends that understand what the 'F's stands for in FIFA. This team is exciting especially when you consider how many promising young players are on it. The future looks bright for the US team.

[ June 18, 2002, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Rio ]
post #4 of 33
Can any of the "true knowers" tell us what is the most popular publication in the world?

"World Soccer" Britan's Oldest and Most respected football Magazine. Sine 1960 .......

A horse with two names is still a horse!

We have been watching the play as a family, compliments of the VCR and a friend taping the action. (no TV at our house.)

I came home from work last evening and the first words from my 10 year old son were "do you have the tape of our game with Mexico".

Sitting up till 11:00 last evening with Ireland and Spain. A.E.T. and all. The Irish have "grit" and speed. Hearing the play, my wife called out from the adjacent room, acknowledging the last minute score by Ireland to tie up the match in regular time. She enjoys the play perhaps more than I.

Today the tape of the U.S. Vs Mexico. is on my desk to be watched tonight.

Yesterday morning I was chatting with one of my fellows at work. His heritage is Mexican. I asked if he had heard of the game outcome. He replied, "Did we win?". I replied in return "Yes" and as his face brightened, I said " the other we. The US!" Suprise and good will all around!

I play with the over 35 crowd tonight at 6:00 and my young son has a team tryout at the same field at 5. and wishes to stay to show me a move or two!

The game is great and accessable to anyone at any level. To appreciate the skill and ability of these world class players, one need only take a ball to the back garden and try a few juggles and traps. Something my son and daughter make me do many evenings.

We attended the game with the US Nat'l team playing Jamaca last fall. They are a great team to watch in play

The US Team is fast, and play a well structured game with always two players to send the ball. They move well on the counter and aren't afraid to take a poke at the net.

Watching Denmark play England, I felt that the play by the Danes was too conservative to be very enjoyable to watch.

So, some of us Yanks are celebrating.

CalG
post #5 of 33
ok, CalG, I conceed , you win.... u can call it soccer as long as you don't expect me to...

Good on ya for showing support to the team...it's about time someone did.

This world cup has even got the Japanese going wild...though perhaps not this evening.....

Didn't see the match so I can't make any comments at all.

Bet you're gonna watch the Germany game on fri...oopps early Thursday morning!!
Enjoy it
cheeky j
post #6 of 33
Just a general World Cup question - is the concert at the finale usually televised? I think it is supposed to be on June 27. Anyone know if this will be on tv? Thanks.

[ June 18, 2002, 10:10 AM: Message edited by: WhosThatGirl ]
post #7 of 33
Not sure about the concert, but I did watch the game LIVE and I am Russian by birth. Excellent execution (only few chances with shots on the goal and 2 go in), all at the right time two. First on the 7th minute and another one in the second half just in time to break the momentum that Mexico was starting to build up, very good defence play - no major screw ups. Good for the team. Next we will see if they can hold up against Germans.

Too bad that we now have one more team in World Cup that is playing defensive game. :-(
post #8 of 33
I have to agree with a commentator on ESPN last night that it is just a matter of time before the U.S. decides they want to win or at least be competitive in world football. The U.S. has tremendous financial capabilities however not enough emphasis is placed on developement. Seeing as most of our best players don't even play in the MLS, you've got to figure that a win against Germany will be a tremendous shot in the arm for U.S. football. I have missed some of the games but it seems to me that the U.S. team is playing a more agressive front line than the traditional single forward. They are attacking from the left and right and able to have the speed to get back on defense. I think alot of people attest our lack of success in the past to the fact that we tend to play a defensive game which you just cannot do against teams like Brazil, S. Korea, or Senegal. I would hope we don't fall back into that defensive mode against germany seeing as that is a game they like to play as well. I played soccer in a football centric town and we used to get made fun of because they of it as a wimp sport. After the ambulance got pulled away from football games to come to our field most times and we schooled the football players in a match we began to get the respect. Run for ninety minutes and then tell me this isn't the toughest sport going next to hockey.
post #9 of 33
CC

In our house, we actually call the game "football" with the "oo" sound like in the word "toot" or the table game,"foosball". Or, we call it soccer.

We never call it footie, assoc, or association football. We all know what is meant when someone asks if anyone wants to go over to the field and kick a ball around!

Kind of a world citizen approach.

The US will play the aggressive game when the confidence and player depth matures. That part is in our culture. There is still a long way to go before the nation looks on the sport with approving eyes.
There are many strong supporters of American Football that believe that soccer is a whimp sport. They have never been to a game I would say. To manage ones energy for 90 minutes is a real test for anyone. A test beyound the usual "knock 'em down", "impulse" oriented American.

In comment about some youth players.
My eldest son is a reluctant player at the high school level. I have had the pleasure of coaching him and his peer group in post season indoor action. (two teams last winter one the year before).
When the high school honour roll was posted in the local paper recently, It was a great pleasure to see the large percentage of thosesame kids cited for their academic success .

It would appear that brains may be one of the strengths rewarded by the game.

CalG
post #10 of 33
I think the US team could go further. This World Cup has had so many upsets, that it is possible they could beat Germany, who aren't playing their best, but still believe they are invincible.
I even think there's a possibility that Senegal will make it to the final, but I'd doubt if they win.
It's been a very exciting tournament this time around. The form books have been thrown out the window, and while I'm sad about Ireland not making it further, I'm also disappointed that Japan didn't progress - I think it would have been great for the sport.

The Ireland team came home today to a hero's reception, and a concert in Phoenix Park for them.
2 more years to the European Championships...

S
post #11 of 33
WTFH

The Irish men put out a great effort. Like I said "true grit"!

They are to be celebrated, As are all the players of every nation!

CalG
post #12 of 33
I would agree with you Cal. I would also say one of the largest barriers to the acceptance of Football in the USA is the fact that the average citizen has the attention span of monkey with A.D.D.
post #13 of 33
Quote:
Originally posted by C-dubs:
I would agree with you Cal. I would also say one of the largest barriers to the acceptance of Football in the USA is the fact that the average citizen has the attention span of monkey with A.D.D.
Yet we get tons of golf on TV all summer long. :

Since I grew up in Europe, I have played more soccer/football than most of you can imagine. From stones to a decent ball, we used everything to play the game. I loved it, but I was never interested to watch entire games (except for occasional play-offs). I prefer to participate rather than be a TV fan. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ June 18, 2002, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: TomB ]
post #14 of 33
For whatever reason, soccer is boring to Americans. That's it, it won't change. You can't force a sport down a nation's throat, just as you can't force people to eat bran cereal or listen to classical music. They either do or don't.

Enjoy it and be glad soccer will never become Americanized. If I remember correctly, NBA basketball players participated in the Olympic games.
post #15 of 33
Thread Starter 
Now Korea defeats Italy!
Even had my wife sat up until midnight and she rarely watches sport.

Now would'nt that be great, Senegal v Korea in the final instead of Brazil v Germany.

Whats in a name?
Soccer - Football
Ruby Union - Football
Rugby League - Football
Australian Rules - Football
Gridiron (or whatver you call it) - Football
? - Football

"I am so confused." (Hold head in hands shaking backwards and forwards with distressed look in face.)

Next year is the Rugby World Cup (3rd largest sporting event in the world after the Soccer and Olympics)in Australia, now that is evan more fun.
nomad
post #16 of 33
"Everyone else is doing it, so should you!"

Sorry, I don't go for that logic. Fine that you all like your footie, but I don't care for it. I also don't care for the most popular of winter Olympic events, figure skating. Now, a good game of lacrosse, I can get into. But then, I used to play lacrosse. Oh, I also don't watch NBA basketball - call me unAmerican!
post #17 of 33
WTG

America will never change? I see huge changes in attitude regarding sports in my community. The grid iron players are not nearly the heros they used to be. Our youth is experiencing an appreciation for the game by playing it. We don't need another game however, there is too much overlap now. Heck! the Stanley Cup was just Won and it is nearly July!
But wait, I will get back to you on this, I need to go get some chips and a beer .

Ahh! Back. Cricket and Shuttle Cocks haven't a chance at prime time TV coverage..
How does Golf get so much time???

TomB you have it. Last evening had two games 7 V 7 for the over 35 crowd. Good play all around. There are many of us over 50s.
It is enjoyable to watch the play at the WC level but our MLS play is not such a draw as an evening out myself. Really, the game is so accessable, Any bit of flat turf and 8 people can have an hour of great fun. 4 V 4 is the start of a great game.

Nomad

Don't be confused. Foot... Ball... It is a guy thing. We don't have a lot of words to choose from. ( some of the gals get on quite nicely)

For a real game Polo!. High goal matches are something else. When even the ponies know what to do, the action gets pretty engaging. When there are four mounts and riders moving for the ball in close quarters, the blood starts moving in ones veins!

CalG

CalG
post #18 of 33
Nomad,
you left out Gaelic football.
(In Ireland, it's referred to just as football).

S
post #19 of 33
Thread Starter 
WTFH
Sorry about that. It was in the back of my mind but I decided I could not spell Gaelic.
There is a game or two each year between Ireland and Australia where they combine elements of Australian Rules and Gaelic Football to come up with some kind of hybrid cross. Ireland won the last lot of games.
See http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=hom...rticleid=33544
for an article on the Under 17 game just recently in Ireland.
Cheers
nomad
post #20 of 33
Quote:
Originally posted by C-dubs:
I played soccer in a football centric town and we used to get made fun of because they of it as a wimp sport...

Run for ninety minutes and then tell me this isn't the toughest sport going next to hockey.
Not only that, the football players have the luxury of huddles, pads, and helmets. In futbol, you don't.

Many props to football players, but when they disrespect futbol players, I fight back.

Quote:
Originally posted by WhosThatGirl:
For whatever reason, soccer is boring to Americans. That's it, it won't change. You can't force a sport down a nation's throat, just as you can't force people to eat bran cereal or listen to classical music. They either do or don't.

Enjoy it and be glad soccer will never become Americanized.
:

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Youth participation in futbol has been steadily increasing and so has the amount of money invested in the sport.
I can count on my hands and feet the number of kids who quit soccer at their parents' urging to play other sports such as basketball, football, and BASEBALL, of all sports!

One of the problems with development in the sport is because of that very attitude of "futbol will never be a big thing," and as a result, not much money or encouragement is invested into developing talent.

:

That said, the semifinal matchups will be:
- England vs. U.S.
- Spain vs. Senegal
post #21 of 33
Brazil - Senegal final.
post #22 of 33
Germany thinks they are invincible?? Did you miss the media frenzy over the German captains comments prior to Cup play? At least they haven't choked on their own bone like the Irish.
With the chances afforded in the last game they should have easily gone through.

I can't believe i just defended Germany....

Go England!!!

[ June 21, 2002, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: JoCanadian ]
post #23 of 33
The US played a vibrant game with the Germans. Something to be proud of. If any feel the US will be just another defensive team hasn't watched them play.

What an effort. Many chances, we just came up dry!

My son is in the back garden kicking and juggling now after watching the game this AM.

He has many heros now!

It is a beautiful game.

CalG
post #24 of 33
CalG,
It's not a beautiful game, it is THE Beautiful Game...

"Football is not a matter of life and death, it's far more important than that." Bill Shankley

"Everything I learned about life, I learned from the game." Albert Camus (Goalkeeper)

S
post #25 of 33
Quote:
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat ?:


"Everything I learned about life, I learned from the game." Albert Camus (Goalkeeper)

That quote would have had more impact if it was from the author.
post #26 of 33
Me no understand, Rio.

S
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post #28 of 33
Albert Camus was considered one of the great existentialist authors & philosophers. Some consider him one of the great thinkers of our century.
post #29 of 33
The same man was also a keen footballer.

S
post #30 of 33
Quote:
Originally posted by Yogi:
Brazil - Senegal final.
umm...what? those teams cannot meet in the final.
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