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Getting My first powder ski

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Hi all

 

I currently ski Head Monster IM 72s.  I obtained them about 6 years ago as a rank beginner and still enjoy them ( not that I have many  points of comparison since I have skied only my own skis in the last 6 years ).  BUt the reviews on them seem positive  and I enjoy them.

 

I have skied more and more each year and have moved  progressively more out in the powder each year .  I REALLY love it in the deeper stuff and the bulk of my skiing will be in Fernie  BC where we get a fair amount .  It can take days or weeks   for things to get tracked out among the trees or in places where its a little hike.  

 

I am   44 years old,  5 11 and weigh 200lbs and would classify myself as an intermediate skier--  I  take a diagonal on the steepest pitches and dont do  big jumps but am comfortable on all single blacks I have encountered and  some double diamonds.  I skied 15 days last year, all in Alberta and BC and would intend to continue to use my Heads when I am on a hill thats hardpacked ( like Nakiska) and to make a choice at places like Lake Louise or Sunshine depending on conditions.  I am hoping for 15 days at Fernie this year ( we have a place near the hill )  and 5 to 10 days in the Banff area .  NO park time . . . as little time on the groomers as necessary or as required with my kids. 

 

My initial research indicates the Rossignol S7s might be a good choice as most of the guides say they are great for a heavier skier and great in powder and suitable for someone who is not an expert.  I really like the  look of the 2013s as well (but would live the with the 2012 look for a drop in price LOL. 

 

Ok  I think I have covered all the facts you would need to help so

 

1.  What do people think of the Rossignol S7s for a skier as described?

2.  What other skis would you recommend

 

I have gotten to a level where I will be  doing demos and comparisons but with the expertise here and the fact that I think I have really narrowed down  what I sseek,   I am hoping to keep it to 3 or 4 choices. 

 

Thanks in advance for any advice. In the meantime I will continue my research

post #2 of 16

There are many good skis out there and the S7 would be an excellent choice for you.  I have been on the 195 Super version for a few years and there is really no way to describe this ski other than "stupid easy to ski".  I am just a bit bigger than you and would encourage you to go the Super route in a 188 because the regular 7 is a soft ski and best suited for those under 180 lbs.  All of the 7 skis ski short due to the high rocker in the tip and tail and contrary to what Rossi may say about the Super it is not the "charger" their marketing dept would like you to believe; there are many threads out there on this point.  The new Squad 7 they introduced this year may fit that bill but the Super is very user friendly and well suited to what you are describing.  Mount them on the line or behind and enjoy.

post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 

THanks

 

I will look at the Super 7 a little more.  I had initially only given it a cursory look since it seemed to be aimed at or suitable for people more expert than myself.. I will look at it again.

post #4 of 16

Nordica Helldorado or Patron, same ski with and without a Titanol sheet.

post #5 of 16

100% Pure Pow: K2 Hellbent or Nordica Radict (not for groomers, but will make it down no problem)

 

Pow Durable: Armada JJ

 

Pow for groomers too: Nordica Patron*

 

Pow for Wild'n'out: K2 pettitor or Atomics bentchetler/ Salomon Rocker 2 122

 

Pow for YOU: ROSSIGNOL S7

 

 

 

Honestly i would go with the S7. its a fun fast easy big ski. But the Nordica Patron might be what your looking for aswell.

post #6 of 16

Sorry for confusing you with more options.

 

It really depends on how fat you want and how much NON-POW will you be skiing with these skis. if your gunna be hiking in BC than jeeze you could get some Nordica Radicts if you wanted.

post #7 of 16

The S7 is the current market leader in category for a good reason.....it really works. The Patron that has also been recommended for you is another great choice. Here is a reasonably extensive comparison between the two.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/112041/nordica-helldorado-patron-unleashed-hell-vs-rossi-s7-long-term-tests

 

SJ

post #8 of 16

i highly recommend the '12 k2 obsethed 189's.  seems like to me they would be a perfect choice for what you are looking for.  great float, can still rip the groomers and probably a little more stable through variable conditions than the S7's.  

 

www.backcountry.com/k2-obsethed-alpine-ski

post #9 of 16

Been on JJ's since 2009, this is my daily ski...best ski on the market in its group (in my humble opinion).  The ARG is my powder day ski.  Just switched to NTN telemark, and both ski perform incredibly still!!

post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 

So some recommendations to check out

 

Rossignol S7 and variants 

Nordica Patron

k2 obsethed 189's

Armada JJs

 

Nordica Radicts--   I may try them but I hate the graphics--  I know it shouldnt matter and I should get the best ski regardless-- 

 

I will take a closer look at all of these.  In the meantime I would still love to hear additional suggestions or comments. For example  does anyone share the view that the S7s are more for proplr 180 pounds and less? 


Edited by Kootenayski - 9/23/12 at 10:25am
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post

Sorry for confusing you with more options.

 

It really depends on how fat you want and how much NON-POW will you be skiing with these skis. if your gunna be hiking in BC than jeeze you could get some Nordica Radicts if you wanted.

 I will use my existing skis when on a groomer type hill or when there hasn't been any fresh snow.

 

Since I have a cabin close to fernie I do have the luxury of chasing the powder there so the main use will be powder.  have you ever been to Fernie?  I am talking deep light stuff and a lot of tree skiing .  I can spend my day up in the bowls and only taking the mid-hill lifts  b ack up. (  I avoid going back to the base since I find  the lower slopes uninteresting and on some days wet or heavy or icy while the top sections are fabulous)   I will hardly touch anything groomed. 

 

So these skis need to be merely adequate in the groomed stuff. 

post #12 of 16

Define "adequate". Adequate as in you can spend a chunk of the day having fun on groomers without switching skis. Or adequate as in you can get back to a lift.

 

If you are looking for the former, the skis on your list in post 11 are good ones. I'd personally add the Salomon Rocker 2 122, Atomic Bent Chetler,  Praxis Concept. On the skinny end, maybe a  DPS 112 RP. Perhaps Mr. Pollards Opus. Maybe look at the ON3P line. Oh, and definitely the 4FRNT Hoji if you are dipping to the low teens (like the 112RP, a bit on the skinny end, but an incredibly nice ski IMO).

 

If you are looking for a true powder specialty ski, consider the following. First, skis that compromise a modest amount to make getting to and from lifts & dealing with variable snow easier. Consider a Praxis Protest, K2 Pon2oon, Volkl Kuro. If you want maximum powder performance, consider a Praxis Powder Board or DPS Lotus 138. Or similar- as some other things skate pretty close - maybe an Armada Bubba would fit in that general zone  - although really all of these are truly powder oriented.

 

FWIW, count me in the camp that thinks too many folks bash on the S7. It is a ski that serves a whole lot of people well. And skis a very wide range of conditions well. I'm a bit over 200 pounds and spent one very variable snow day on a pair (not supers) and was really impressed. I prefer my dedicated powder skis fatter, but I'd rate it a super powder friendly softer snow all-arounder.

 

Back to my initial question though - that definition of "adequate" is pretty key.

post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

Define "adequate". Adequate as in you can spend a chunk of the day having fun on groomers without switching skis. Or adequate as in you can get back to a lift.

 

 

 

I was originally  thinking just to get me back to the lift since I was thinking of them as powder only options.      But your post, which was quite excellent by the way and gave me comparable groups to look into,  (thank you ) is giving me pause.  If something like the S7 or Nordica Patron are really good in powder and still manage to be reasonably good all rounders perhaps thats the better way to go . My new ski would be my regular allround ski and I would take my Heads only if it was a groomer hill or companions. ( and theres always next year to get a super fat ski lol.  

 

 

Oh and I appreciate  that you are similar weight as myself and found no problem with the S7.    Its great to get feedback from a similar sized skier.  I think no matter which of these I take I am going to be impressed, since I have only used my 72 mm Heads in all conditions.I did find it difficult sometimes in the deeper stuff

 

My favorite  Fernie circuit had really only short and relatively flat sections on the groomed areas back to the lifts so running well in the flats is probably  more key than being to carve hard over that circuit.   Usually I am just letting the skis run to carry speed through the flatter sections and  head back up  to the bowls.  But one of my other favorite bowls funnels everyone eventually into  a tight area that is often  hardpacked and is sometimes icy and with enough steepness that you want to be able to carve

 

My bottom line right now is I have to demo a few skis -- darn is it only September???? .  After more thought I am thinking more power focused all-rounders but I believe I will try a couple of your recommended powder only skis just to see the differences. 

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Kootenayski View Post

 I will use my existing skis when on a groomer type hill or when there hasn't been any fresh snow.

 

Since I have a cabin close to fernie I do have the luxury of chasing the powder there so the main use will be powder.  have you ever been to Fernie?  I am talking deep light stuff and a lot of tree skiing .  I can spend my day up in the bowls and only taking the mid-hill lifts  b ack up. (  I avoid going back to the base since I find  the lower slopes uninteresting and on some days wet or heavy or icy while the top sections are fabulous)   I will hardly touch anything groomed. 

 

So these skis need to be merely adequate in the groomed stuff. 

Well in that case Broo go BIG. Im serious. Your gunna be skiing the deepest of the deep. You have a cabin in fernie haha you NEEED FATTBOYS. DO NOT BE CONSERVATIVE

 

Seems like you need 80% or more powder ski. All of those options you named are going out the window. The k2 Obsethed would be best out of all those for Big MTN POW slaying, but not the best for you. The new K2 SideSeth would be exactly what your looking for. its less for backcountry hott doggin and more for Ripping fast technical lines thru powder

 

I would atleast go with k2 Obsetheds  or K2 sideseth. I just bought a pair of obsetheds, but for colorado BC not Canada BC. I am 6'3" 200. There 117 underfoot. Theres only like 5 pairs of last seasons 189s left online so if your buying online hurry!

 

If i was doing what you were doing i would buy some Nordica Radicts @ 127 underfoot. They float on top like any 130, but the real surprise is that they are solid on hardpack even if you dont need them to be. its just an added benefit.

post #15 of 16

The obsetheds were Seth Morrisons skis for the past 4 years when we was backflipping everything he saw in the BC.

 

Now hes getting older and needs more technical powder lines and steep powder trees (plus chamonix experiences) so he developed the Sideseth

 

K2 sideseth is even more for pow, but with a small rockerd all mountain like tail to shreddd crazyyy lines. Perfect ski for you. 

post #16 of 16

Just to be clear I think either the 7 or the Super 7 would work well for you but I think the Super would be the better call.  The only difference is a bit more stiffness (and weight).  To put this in perspective I pre-ordered a pair of Praxis Ullr skis (which is similar to the 7 but a bit fatter).  Those of you who are familiar with Praxis you know they offer a standard or semi custom build and among other thing you have your choice of four flexes; soft, medium, medium/stiff and stiff.  Keith at Praxis keeps a database of ski factors so when someone like me calls and says I love my Super 7s and (in my case) just want a bit more float, we have a reference point from which to dial in the new ski.  Praxis developed a flex machine where they can measure tip, tail and underfoot stiffness and when Keith put the Super 7s on his flex machine they came in on the soft side of Praxis' version of medium.  So if you decide to go with the 7 do not be afraid to go Super as it will outperform the 7 in all respects and for your weight will be the better call. 

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