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post #1 of 11
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I found this paragraph interesting, including the writer's choice of words:

"There is a large difference in psychology between beginners, intermediate, advanced and professional players. Visualization of positive outcomes is fine, providing you know the physical side of producing that outcome. Visualizing a result you do not know how to produce is setting yourself up for failure and anger. Which brings us to an essential point. While you do not want to cease improving and climbing the mountain of enhanced results, you should have expectations that are in conformity with your conditioning, skills, and combat experience. "
post #2 of 11
That's interesting stuff, and something I hadn't thought of before, although it makes sense. Visualising success needs more than just vague dreams of floating down the hill, you have to be able to visualise and feel the actual movements. Makes a lot of sense.
post #3 of 11
Interesting reading.
There's been other discussion on here lately about goals/vision setting. It's used every day in business to drive forward, not setting the "One day I'll win the downhill World Cup" type pie in the sky goal, but going for the steak on the plate type ones.
Set realistic goals, but still dream.
You've got to have a dream. If you don't have a dream, how are you going to have a dream come true?

post #4 of 11
At Gilboa's summer camp we work from day one with our kids on goals. Each day they have a "daily goal". They also have to set goals for camp, for next season, the next few years and finally a "dream goal". Each coach is expected to help their kids with this daily. The athletes get a woorkbook wher they write these down as well as develop a "mission statement" for skiing.
On the subject of visualization, the next best thing is to watch the pros perform. I think it was in Psycho Cybernetics that I read about the "freethrow" study where one group practiced, one thought about it and the third did nothing. Natually the ones that practiced improved the most. However, the ones that thought about it did almost as well. These days there are so many good images available for viewing. I also read somewhere that studies have shown that as you watch someone perform you lightly "fire" the muscles used to do what you are viewing.
I had the oppertunity, with help from Dr. Gary Beal, to develop a series of tapes with my athletes that used light hypnosis to practice relaxation and visualization. Some of the kids had good results from this. I personally used it quite sucessfully at an autocross event. I sat in the car with my helmet and belts on, closed my eyes and visualzed several runs. My next lap was 2 seconds faster than my best up to then.
Dr Beal would say "practice makes perfect only if you practice perfectly". He would then say"the only place you can practice perfectly is in the theater of your mind". He advised watching videos in a "relaxed state" to do this.
post #5 of 11
that, and subtle left-foot braking in the twisty bits.

i think the most immediate connection, visualization to execution, occurs when i'm able to ski behind someone who skis well. i might not ski AS well but it doesn't take that long before my form benefits from the attempt at mirroring the image.

[ June 14, 2002, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #6 of 11
I am visualizing a large cocktail and given that it is Summer (almost) perhaps a Beefeaters and tonic in a pint glass, double lime, which I intend to consume this afternoon. Wait... another vision...what is it????...Of course, a second cocktail.

Man does not live by malt liquor alone.
post #7 of 11
And after that, pink elephants? :
feet are kinda cramped. Heel/toe works though
The 156 was in Killrush. We saw it in front of a bakery where we bought a loaf of fresh bread. From there we went across the street to a grocery store for cheese and wine. The old man who ran the store looked exactly like my grandpa Tom. He told great stories while he opened the bottle.
Oops, little flashback, sorry.

[ June 14, 2002, 10:26 PM: Message edited by: SLATZ ]
post #8 of 11
Hmmm - interesting..
I find that visualization doesn't do much for me - but then I struggle to learn by straight copying...

DO find that letting my mind & body relax ASAP after I stop skiing seems to do something. On a day when I have been 'pushed' hard in lessons I will feel 'ski sick' after a lesson. - My ears know I am not moving but my nerves & brain seem to be replaying the movements(it feels as though they are moving although as long as they are touching something I know they are not).
It SEEMS that if I relax & let my brain & body do this I LEARN faster & develop control more quickly...

Any comments - anyone else feel this?
post #9 of 11
Interesting. I'm not sure I completely understand but I've come to realize that everyone's preception is a little different. Obviously you've figured out something that works.
On visualization. Visualization is something that can be improved with practice. The tapes I made started out simply and became more complex as they progressed. I found, when I was using them, that my dreams became very vividly realistic. Normally I'm not aware of my dreams. It got kind of uncomfortable and may have had something to do with my not continuing.
post #10 of 11
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One of the things I find really helpful, is making a mental note to myself when things are working correctly. Then, on those "not so good' days, I can try to "conjure up" the memory.

I do this with students in my fitness classes. It is really, really, really important for an instructor to let the student know when they are doing something well, and WHY it is being done well. Gives them a point of reference for the future.
post #11 of 11
LM - that is how I learn EVERYTHING - memorise the 'good' movements. Also what the 'bad' ones needed to fix them.(Although that seems much harder)
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