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post #31 of 58
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I have a friend that lives in Eagle County and has a season pass at Vail and Beaver Creek. Skis in excess of 100 days every year. Will only ski groomers as a last resort, when they are the only option. His everyday ski is 78mm in the waist. He has wider skis, but he says he seldom uses them, because he seldom needs them. One reason is because they just don't get huge dumps there like some other places. 

 
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It's not that I don't like wider skis, if I lived near Stowe or Jay Peak where the snow is bottomless in the trees, you can bet your ass I'd have a pair of 100+ skis in the closet. 

 

So, you don't need fatties in Colorado because we "don't get huge dumps" but they are necessary for the "bottomless" snow in the trees of Stowe and Jay?  

 

This has to be a subtle Greg from Alpinezone troll.

post #32 of 58
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...And worse yet, don't believe everything you read on EpicSki. They don't call it the "mecca of misinformation" for nothing. The opinions you'll read here are hardly representative of the true experts on the subject.

 

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post #33 of 58
Mac, I think you've been called out! smile.gif
post #34 of 58
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Originally Posted by smileguy1 View Post

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I'd love some advice too. I'm a 38yo skier who skis mostly off-piste that just moved from NYC to aspen. I can ski anything as long as its not big air. I have a pair of k2 outlaws in 185 from the first year when they were stiffer. Loved the nordica hell and back in a 185 last year. I'm 5'11" 167lbs.
Im def getting last years hell and back as my everyday ski, but not convinced I need another ski. I think for my weight, the 98mm is enough for powder days. I skied powder with my 88mm outlaws fine and my head monster 85 before that and blizzard Titan 82 before that.
But most locals say I need something bigger, we don't get many huge dumps in aspen with 8 inches being pretty good with a 15 in rarely. I thinkill have a blast on the hell and back everyday.
Any thoughts?

 

Dont mean to be rudde Dude, but stop thinking like your generation and start thinking like mine, just for skiing.

 

YOU LIVE IN ASPEN NOW MAN GNARLY! YOU NEED FATTBOYS! obviously 98mm will be "fine" but not "fun". If you like Nordica, a great company, than go with the Patron. Its 113 underfoot. That is what people are using for all mountain out here. It can rip groomies too.

 

8 inches is way to much for 98mm. nvm 15 inches. i would rate a hell and back at your weight for 4-6 inches at most. hell and backs are for ankle deep all mountain powder. if you gunna ski when its 8-10 out there youll wish you had a 115mm. they are the masters of  medium pow. If i were you i would buy two pairs. you do LIVE here now. 

post #35 of 58
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post

 

Dont mean to be rudde Dude, but stop thinking like your generation and start thinking like mine, just for skiing.

 

YOU LIVE IN ASPEN NOW MAN GNARLY! YOU NEED FATTBOYS! obviously 98mm will be "fine" but not "fun". If you like Nordica, a great company, than go with the Patron. Its 113 underfoot. That is what people are using for all mountain out here. It can rip groomies too.

 

8 inches is way to much for 98mm. nvm 15 inches. i would rate a hell and back at your weight for 4-6 inches at most. hell and backs are for ankle deep all mountain powder. if you gunna ski when its 8-10 out there youll wish you had a 115mm. they are the masters of  medium pow. If i were you i would buy two pairs. you do LIVE here now. 


Now I'm not as sure who in the thread is doing the subtle trolling.

post #36 of 58
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Originally Posted by whitemb View Post

 

So, you don't need fatties in Colorado because we "don't get huge dumps" but they are necessary for the "bottomless" snow in the trees of Stowe and Jay?  

 

This has to be a subtle Greg from Alpinezone troll.

I am from the east. I know for a fact 90% of east coasters have no idea what type of ski is ideal for colorado conditions. They think that 90mm is amazing for pow but in reality there going nowhere fast. they have no clue. there vacations out here are so much better than the east that they font realize how it could be better. about there skiing especially. You have to match your skis to the mountain, not vice versa. People pay thousands upon thousands to vacation here and cant spend 500 bucks on a pair of skis that would make there skiing experience 10x better.

 

eagle county dumps. math it out, 350 inches a year is 28 feet 4 inches. like 5 feet per month average october through april you need atleast 110mm.

post #37 of 58
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how subtle troll. the troll police for is becoming an epidemic online this year. people need to relax no troll here. Only a skier man

post #38 of 58

Don't look only at width. What you want  is a nice balance of width, tip and tail rocker, early taper, and medium flex.  In fact, something on the low side of 120mm is probably going to be more versatile for skiing all day and charging the crud as well as uncut powder. Going with a 130mm width is great if you want a ski super floaty and skimming on top of the snow more, but that is not always  a good thing, and that much ski can be cumbersome if its not a big day. Given you are still learning a fun softer flexing tapered ski would be easy to ski and a ton of fun, think bentchetler, S7, RP112, etc... 

post #39 of 58
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Originally Posted by smileguy1 View Post

But most locals say I need something bigger, we don't get many huge dumps in aspen with 8 inches being pretty good with a 15 in rarely. I thinkill have a blast on the hell and back everyday.  Any thoughts?

 

OK, so let me get this straight.  You've moved to Aspen, asked a bunch of locals whether your H&Bs will be wide enough and most of them told you to get a pair of dedicated powder boards.  Then you came to Epicski to ask a bunch of folks who don't live in Aspen to validate your notion that the Aspen-locals are wrong.  You can probably see where this is going ...

 

I think you should listen to "most locals" ... or the dude on here who once watched a commercial about Vail knows that it rarely snows much there, especially compared to Jay.  

post #40 of 58

Don't look only at width. What you want  is a nice balance of width, tip and tail rocker, early taper, and medium flex.  In fact, something on the low side of 120mm is probably going to be more versatile for skiing all day and charging the crud as well as uncut powder. Going with a 130mm width is great if you want a ski super floaty and skimming on top of the snow more, but that is not always  a good thing, and that much ski can be cumbersome if its not a big day. Given you are still learning a fun softer flexing tapered ski would be easy to ski and a ton of fun, think bentchetler, S7, RP112, gunsmoke, etc... 

post #41 of 58
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Originally Posted by whitemb View Post

 

So, you don't need fatties in Colorado because we "don't get huge dumps" but they are necessary for the "bottomless" snow in the trees of Stowe and Jay?  

 

This has to be a subtle Greg from Alpinezone troll.

 

And this opinion comes from someone that skis at Copper? Really? I dare say that I have probably skied far more days in Summit County than you have in northern VT. Just a hunch. In fact, I've probably skied more days myself in Colorado than I have in northern VT. But I've skied both often enough to have formed an educated opinion.

post #42 of 58
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Originally Posted by Mac View Post

 

And this opinion comes from someone that skis at Copper? Really? I dare say that I have probably skied far more days in Summit County than you have in northern VT. Just a hunch. In fact, I've probably skied more days myself in Colorado than I have in northern VT. But I've skied both often enough to have formed an educated opinion.

 

Yep, I ski at Copper and Winter Park and Vail and Steamboat and just about every other area in the state over the course of each year ... and have been for the last 30 years.  The original poster was asking about what skis to purchase for Colorado, not northern VT.  Your tremendous experience and my blissful ignorance regarding VT skiing is not relevant.  

 

I disagree with your expressed opinion (as does every other decent skier I know in Colorado).  You're welcome to trumpet it here, but don't get butthurt when folks point and laugh.    

 

Edited to add a source for educational information: http://bestsnow.net/ - take a gander at the historical data.


Edited by whitemb - 9/22/12 at 2:53pm
post #43 of 58
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post

 

eagle county dumps. math it out, 350 inches a year is 28 feet 4 inches. like 5 feet per month average october through april you need atleast 110mm.

 

 

Only 350"?... . yawn....  smile.gif

 

(Just bust'in yer chops before all the other PNW skiers get to you first.)

post #44 of 58
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(Just bust'in yer chops before all the other PNW skiers get to you first.)

 

Damn, I hate being late to the party... smile.gif

post #45 of 58
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Damn, I hate being late to the party... smile.gif
no. Worries plenty of kook aid left
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I think there's been an invasion.popcorn.gif

post #47 of 58
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

 

 

Only 350"?... . yawn....  smile.gif

 

(Just bust'in yer chops before all the other PNW skiers get to you first.)


Haha...I was going to ask if that was a bad year

 

/PNW Fistbump.

post #48 of 58

The Line Blend will be fine for your daily driver, and the Obsethed will be good compliment for your powder skis. 

 

If you have a year where you're hitting groomers all the time, (like last year) then you may want to get something narrower, but for now, you've picked a couple good skis to get back into it after a 9 year break.  

 

Welcome back to skiing.  beercheer.gif

post #49 of 58
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Originally Posted by smileguy1 View Post

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I'd love some advice too. I'm a 38yo skier who skis mostly off-piste that just moved from NYC to aspen. I can ski anything as long as its not big air. I have a pair of k2 outlaws in 185 from the first year when they were stiffer. Loved the nordica hell and back in a 185 last year. I'm 5'11" 167lbs.
Im def getting last years hell and back as my everyday ski, but not convinced I need another ski. I think for my weight, the 98mm is enough for powder days. I skied powder with my 88mm outlaws fine and my head monster 85 before that and blizzard Titan 82 before that.
But most locals say I need something bigger, we don't get many huge dumps in aspen with 8 inches being pretty good with a 15 in rarely. I thinkill have a blast on the hell and back everyday.
Any thoughts?


congrats on getting out of gotham, best thing i ever did. If i were you i would try out some boards because that's a far better way to judge than listening to other people. I ski on bonafides which are 98 underfoot and like them for powder more than the 115 lines i got on a whim. The lines suck in tighter spaces and only really excel at higher speeds and even then are painfully slow to bring around.

post #50 of 58
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Originally Posted by whitemb View Post

 

Edited to add a source for educational information: http://bestsnow.net/ - take a gander at the historical data.


That data shows Stowe and Jay Peak as having 15.3% and 16.1% of ski days between Dec 1 and March 31st as being 6+ inch powder days, Copper And Winter Park (Mary Jane) come in at 11%and 14.2%., Steamboat 15.2%, not one area listed on bestsnow.net for central and northern Colo matches the numbers for the big 2 Northern Vt areas in % of 6"+ powder days.

I'm not trying to argue which is better, or whose snow is better, but the data you cited shows Northern VT does not lack for pow days, and Mac's comments about the trees of Northern VT are valid.

post #51 of 58
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That data shows Stowe and Jay Peak as having 15.3% and 16.1% of ski days between Dec 1 and March 31st as being 6+ inch powder days, Copper And Winter Park (Mary Jane) come in at 11%and 14.2%., Steamboat 15.2%, not one area listed on bestsnow.net for central and northern Colo matches the numbers for the big 2 Northern Vt areas in % of 6"+ powder days.

I'm not trying to argue which is better, or whose snow is better, but the data you cited shows Northern VT does not lack for pow days, and Mac's comments about the trees of Northern VT are valid.

No your right. Vail and Jay get about the same ammount of snowfall (350 inches). Jay is more consistent i think and vail will get like a 10" dump and then not snow for a week and then sprinkle 3 inches than not snow for 5 days than 20 inches...It adds up in Vail somehow?

 

and Also ski resorts certify snowfall at the resort base not on the mountain. So with Jays Peak  itll only get maybe a couple extra inches up...Vail has a higher top to catch more moisture, and its go a backside*, and blue sky basin which is another mountain. Some parts of Vail get 380+ inches a year. Vail is 7 miles wide, if you go 7 miles west from vail to beaver creek, they get only 310 inches a year (really like 350 tho, its got 4,040 vert)

 

 

*I know people that say Jay Peak HAS a backside too Ott+Wedeln.gif

post #52 of 58
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And Jay powder does not equal eagle county cold smoke.

post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post

No your right. Vail and Jay get about the same ammount of snowfall (350 inches). Jay is more consistent i think and vail will get like a 10" dump and then not snow for a week and then sprinkle 3 inches than not snow for 5 days than 20 inches...It adds up in Vail somehow?

 

and Also ski resorts certify snowfall at the resort base not on the mountain. So with Jays Peak  itll only get maybe a couple extra inches up...Vail has a higher top to catch more moisture, and its go a backside*, and blue sky basin which is another mountain. Some parts of Vail get 380+ inches a year. Vail is 7 miles wide, if you go 7 miles west from vail to beaver creek, they get only 310 inches a year (really like 350 tho, its got 4,040 vert)

 

 

*I know people that say Jay Peak HAS a backside too Ott+Wedeln.gif


I'm well aware of the specs of the areas being discussed.. I've skied them all, many times, just making a point that No VT gets a lot of snow, and there are days where it's just as light and dry as CO... Again, I'm not arguing which is better,  Just ref'ing the #'s and there often is just a big of variation in the snow up top compared to the base at Jay or Stowe as there is at the North Central CO areas. The best skiing is wherever you happen to be skiing that day.

post #54 of 58
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post

And Jay powder does not equal eagle county cold smoke.


Uhhh, sometimes it does..

post #55 of 58
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post

And Jay powder does not equal eagle county cold smoke.

 

Nothing like zero percent moisture content snow for building a good base. biggrin.gif    

 

But then it does have the advantage of letting you ski the ice and shark fin rocks below when you are on skinny skis (or even fatter ones for that matter).  wink.gif

post #56 of 58
Thread Starter 

Ya colorado and utah are basically a desert...are snow is much lighter our humidity is much less, our elevation is much higher

post #57 of 58
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Originally Posted by Skizoo View Post


That data shows Stowe and Jay Peak as having 15.3% and 16.1% of ski days between Dec 1 and March 31st as being 6+ inch powder days, Copper And Winter Park (Mary Jane) come in at 11%and 14.2%., Steamboat 15.2%, not one area listed on bestsnow.net for central and northern Colo matches the numbers for the big 2 Northern Vt areas in % of 6"+ powder days.

I'm not trying to argue which is better, or whose snow is better, but the data you cited shows Northern VT does not lack for pow days, and Mac's comments about the trees of Northern VT are valid.

 

Mac's aggregate comment was that a 100mm+ waist ski would be appropriate at Jay/Stowe but inappropriate at Vail (which has substantially more average snowfall (362 vs 329/317) and a roughly the same percentage of 6"+ days (15 vs 16/15).  

post #58 of 58
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Originally Posted by smileguy1 View Post

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I'd love some advice too. I'm a 38yo skier who skis mostly off-piste that just moved from NYC to aspen. I can ski anything as long as its not big air. I have a pair of k2 outlaws in 185 from the first year when they were stiffer. Loved the nordica hell and back in a 185 last year. I'm 5'11" 167lbs.
Im def getting last years hell and back as my everyday ski, but not convinced I need another ski. I think for my weight, the 98mm is enough for powder days. I skied powder with my 88mm outlaws fine and my head monster 85 before that and blizzard Titan 82 before that.
But most locals say I need something bigger, we don't get many huge dumps in aspen with 8 inches being pretty good with a 15 in rarely. I thinkill have a blast on the hell and back everyday.
Any thoughts?

 

First of all, congratulations on moving from NYC to Aspen.

 

I also have K2 Apache Outlaws, though the later version (92mm).   When I've demoed different skis in up to boot high powder, I did fine with some 98's  (Bonafide, Fischer Watea/BigStix 98, Atomic Alibi) though I did like going up to 105-110.    I've heard nothing but good about most Nordica models.  Why not try out the Hell & Backs first in whatever deep stuff you can find?  Then demo a few other pairs in comparable conditions.   

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