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post #1 of 22
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Alright so here is the deal. I am currently attending Westminster College in Salt Lake City. Its a fantastic school but there is no way ill be staying here much longer. I grew up in a small town of 6000 people so moving the the big city of Salt Lake is just not working for me. The only reason I am still here is because I have never been able to experiance a whole year living near mountains and being able to ski whenever I would like. If I go back home to Nebraska my dreams are ruined and the only time I will be able to ski is when I go on my random trips a few times a year. If i try to stick it out here at school I will be miserable because honestly I am having a hard time making friends from here. It isnt that I am an antisocial person, but more of the people here keep to their little groups of where they are from. I try to go hang out with kids from sun valley and they just automaticly exclude everyone that isnt from sun valley. It is the same with any other group because most people came to this college in groups from where they first lived. My perfect situation would be to go home and spend the rest of the fall there and once winter hits come back out towards salt lake area and spend the winter working some resturant job or anything I could find while also skiing as much as possible. My parents believe this is just not possible and if I go home I should just forget about skiing and get on with life. So either I stay in college and hate the next 7 months but get to ski, or i go home and enjoy my time but never get to achieve my dreams and ski. Is it possible to find a job and live on my own for a few months during the winter? or is this totally out of reach. I don't want to give up on my dreams because it is something I have wanted since I was a young kid. I just don't know what to do so whatever advice anyone could give me would be fantastic. I tried to get a job up at Alta but they were full for jobs this winter so that is kind of out of the picture, but are there any other ways to come back out here this winter and enjoy something i may never get to do later in life.

 

 

Thanks for everything,

Matt

post #2 of 22
Look up Colorado Mountain College. It has branches in several "little" towns.
post #3 of 22

Transfer to Montana State in Bozeman.  Good school, smaller town and a great ski area (Bridger) just up the road.  Plus, there is a way to get in-state status after a year or so.  The "living on your own" thing fits right in with that.  You have to take a certain amount of credits to be a "part time" student, but also working and supporting yourself.  

post #4 of 22

As I read you post you have two things going: school, and skiing.  You don't talk much about school.  Do you really care about it or is it just a vehicle to get out of the prairie and go skiing?  If college is important to you then you should go wherever it is best for your education and hang skiing for the moment.  If the mountains are available, fine, but don't make your decisions based on whether or not you get to ski. School is expensive, time consuming, and demands your full attention.  Either immerse yourself in it, or don't do it.

 

If what you really want is to ski, then get a job.  Salt Lake is good because you can get a service level job like waiting tables in the city at night and hit the slopes during the day.  There are many other cities and towns around the country that would also fill that bill.  Places like Seattle, Portland, Bend, Bozeman, Missoula, Reno/Tahoe, Burlington, Bellingham, and many more offer this plus most or all of these have universities when you're ready.

post #5 of 22

The best thing in life is to be able to make your own choices. Choices like where to live, what job to have, what to do with your spare time, like skiing. The easiest way to get these choices is to have the best education you can get. Finnish your education, it's only seven months away, right?. Then the world opens up for you.

 

If your dream is to ski for the rest of your life then you need a way to pay for a very expensive hobby.

post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by foreverski24 View Post

Alright so here is the deal. I am currently attending Westminster College in Salt Lake City. Its a fantastic school but there is no way ill be staying here much longer. I grew up in a small town of 6000 people so moving the the big city of Salt Lake is just not working for me. The only reason I am still here is because I have never been able to experiance a whole year living near mountains and being able to ski whenever I would like.

What, exactly isn't working out?  You're on a launching pad for some of the best, and most frequent powder skiing in the world.  Might it be that, and not necessarily the big city that is cramping your style with school?  It sure sounds like since the only reason you're still there is because of the skiing it is likely the classes that aren't going too well.  I never would have been able to graduate on time (or at all?) living in the shadows of any 2,000+ vert skiing., much less the best in the world.  Time to make a decision.. be a ski bum for awhile (possibly forever), or set it aside and move elsewhere for however long it takes to finish your academic goals. You can still take a couple sweet trips a year and focus more on your education.   These days it takes at least 4 year degree to just get in the door at most career opportunities, advanced degree for anything pretty good.   Age discrimination is also something to consider.  Coming out of college 5 or 10 years later is usually better than not finishing at all, but unless you're already on a good career path you'll get passed over in favor of younger folks quite a bit regardless of how illegal it is to do that.

post #7 of 22

CRG, there are some people who just can't stand cities.  My daughter is one of them.  She's fine camping in the middle of nowhere by herself, but get her in a city and she starts feeling anxious.  This guy didn't say he wanted to stop college, just find a different one.  Add to that the social clique thing and this particular college is not quite what he had in mind.  I don't know if the perception of cliquishness is valid or not, but normally if you start with other freshman everyone starts out in the same "newbie" boat.  At this point, switching will possibly make that part of this situation worse, of course, but he can certainly go to many other great schools near mountains, but a less urban environment.  

post #8 of 22

Fair enough.  I guess I can relate to how a big metropolis can be just as distracting to a country boy as fresh tracks at 12K every week or so could be to someone from a 400 vert bump.  Just want to stress what is more important IMHO.  I got sidetracked in the shadows of "the big city" after undergraduate college on a music career goose chase for a couple years.  Had a whole lotta fun doing it too!yahoo.gif

post #9 of 22

Think about UNR University Nevada Reno. 

Reno gets a bad rap, but its a great balance of mountains, college town and amenities. 

post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
What, exactly isn't working out?  You're on a launching pad for some of the best, and most frequent powder skiing in the world.  Might it be that, and not necessarily the big city that is cramping your style with school?  It sure sounds like since the only reason you're still there is because of the skiing it is likely the classes that aren't going too well.  I never would have been able to graduate on time (or at all?) living in the shadows of any 2,000+ vert skiing., much less the best in the world.  Time to make a decision.. be a ski bum for awhile (possibly forever), or set it aside and move elsewhere for however long it takes to finish your academic goals. You can still take a couple sweet trips a year and focus more on your education.   These days it takes at least 4 year degree to just get in the door at most career opportunities, advanced degree for anything pretty good.   Age discrimination is also something to consider.  Coming out of college 5 or 10 years later is usually better than not finishing at all, but unless you're already on a good career path you'll get passed over in favor of younger folks quite a bit regardless of how illegal it is to do that.

 

 

 

Oh yes the mountains in salt lake are fantastic but I am having a hard time keeping up with school right now, and once skiing starts its going to be even tougher. I would love to do the ski bum life for a few years but my parents are really against it. I applied for alta and if I get a housed job I am going to drop college for a year and spend time in the mountains. But if I do not get the job then I will have to either go home to nebraska or struggle through a school that I will end up failing at. I'm smart, but not with tests no matter how much studying I do and how much people help me learn. I really do not want to fail out of college and have 20 grand thrown down the drain.
 

post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

CRG, there are some people who just can't stand cities.  My daughter is one of them.  She's fine camping in the middle of nowhere by herself, but get her in a city and she starts feeling anxious.  This guy didn't say he wanted to stop college, just find a different one.  Add to that the social clique thing and this particular college is not quite what he had in mind.  I don't know if the perception of cliquishness is valid or not, but normally if you start with other freshman everyone starts out in the same "newbie" boat.  At this point, switching will possibly make that part of this situation worse, of course, but he can certainly go to many other great schools near mountains, but a less urban environment.  


I get left out for not being from mountain states, but another thing about this school is it is a lot of wealthy folks that go there and I am not that wealthy. I'm worried more worried about my loans for after college than I am for my school work. I know thats not a good thing to do but its reality. Oh and i did say i would be fine with leaving college for a time. Get a winter in working some small job and then go home to re-evaluate my plans for my future.

post #12 of 22

It's tough to not find your tribe yet.    My suggestion is to find some ski buddies here on Epic, at least you'll have something in common (skiing).  

 

The other tough part is not knowing yet why you're going to college.  It seems you don;t know what you want out of it; it's a burden to you rather than an opportunity.  

 

Find out what you want.  When you know what you want you might be better able to cope with big cities, snotty rich kids, or making yourself study harder to ace your classes.  Or even deal with your family.

 

Do not make decisions out of desperation.  Does your school have a counseling center?  Take advantage of it.

 

Hang in there. 

 

 

Edited by DesiredUsername - 9/10/12 at 8:30pm
post #13 of 22

I think your parents will react more positively if you explain to them that you need time to figure out what you want and why you are in college and that if you don't do that, money is being thrown away.  Not everyone should go directly to college from high school.  I know I shouldn't have.  Of course, you need to assure them that you will return to school at some mutually-agreed point in time.  If they think you are drifting instead of doing this as part of a plan, they are less likely to agree to it.  Working as a ski bum won't help that discussion.  There are ways to include skiing in your plans, but only after there are plans.  

post #14 of 22

If I were you, and I'm obviously not, here's what I'd do:

 

1. Transfer to the U.

 

2. Live in the dorms.

 

3. Profit.

 

I'm from a small town also, and went to undergraduate at a large land grant university in the midwest. The freshman dorms alone could house my town 4 times over, and to say that it was a shock was an understatement.

 

That being said, living in the dorms at a large university is going to open you up to a whole bunch of people.

 

Also, get involved with some student groups. Almost all the friends I have today are from, I geekishly admit, the marching band. Find a group that you're interested and go join up, you'll find like minded people in no time.

post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by DesiredUsername View Post

It's tough to not find your tribe yet.    My suggestion is to find some ski buddies here on Epic, at least you'll have something in common (skiing).  

 

The other tough part is not knowing yet why you're going to college.  It seems you don;t know what you want out of it; it's a burden to you rather than an opportunity.  

 

Find out what you want.  When you know what you want you might be better able to cope with big cities, snotty rich kids, or making yourself study harder to ace your classes.  Or even deal with your family.

 

Do not make decisions out of desperation.  Does your school have a counseling center?  Take advantage of it.

 

Hang in there. 

 

 

This post kind of nailed it. 

post #16 of 22

Here is my $.02 worth......

I will preface my remarks by saying that I lived in Bozeman for 15 years and in SLC for 11, so I know two of the aforementioned communities very well.

I am also familiar with Westminster which for those that aren't aware of it, it is a very top notch school. In fact the President/CEO of Gart's/Sports Authority is a graduate of Westminster; he was also a volunteer on the National Ski Patrol at Brighton. It is as mentioned, very expensive; as is typical with most of these private, small, liberal arts schools, they do, however, offer copious amounts of scholarships and grants(have you pursued these?)

You didn't just stumble on to this school, how did you end up there? Was it your parents choice or yours? Are you now sorry for what you asked for?

I bring this up because I, too, once thought I knew what I wanted and ignored my parents, who truly had my best interests at heart. That being said doesn't mean they are right or wrong, you just have to be willing to pay the price for what you want.

That being said I got "lucky."        

One of my young "bozone" friends, once told me he thought I had the best lifestyle going you could possibly have.

 

You have to ask and truthfully answer some tough questions, to and of, yourself.( some ideas were mentioned above)

Why are you going to college and do you really know what you want to be?

How much of your "lifestyle bill"(costs) are being paid by your parents? Making it on your own is tough!!  ( back to N. so you can live at home?) 

How hard are you willing to work to ski and still get a good education? Both appear to be important to you.

 

Nobody loved skiing as a youngster more than I did, (or loves it more than I do now)  but I did let it make my life a lot harder than it had to be.

I believe postponing your education because of something you want right now is a mistake, particularly in this day and age.

All this being said(rambling,) I would suggest a compromise (as have others.)

Pick a state school in the Rockies. Generally, out of state tuition is still less than you would pay for the Big Red One.

Examples: U of N, Reno and Montana State U. have been mentioned. U of Montana, Missoula; Boise State U.; Weber State, Ogden; Utah State, Logan; Idaho State, Pocatello; there are also quite few community colleges (Boise, Kalispell) that might fit. I don't know Colorado schools all that well but the one mentioned earlier I believe has a location in Gunnison?)

As one that has traveled and skied the Mountain States quite extensively, I would strongly recommend Boise State or possibly Weber State.

I will explain my Boise State (1st) choice.  Bogus Basin is 16 miles from Boise with good bus service(45 min. ride) but more importantly, they have very good night skiing!! which allows for much greater flexibility. And the skiing is quite good; not Utah powder, but much better than Nebraska. A season pass costs $229(if you are truly on your own) for new residents or on their pre-season deal. Also, you have Sun Valley, Brundage, Tamarack, and Solider Mtn. in 2.5 hours or less.  There are work opportunities in the community for those who want to work, fast food, ski areas, theaters,etc, You can get around the U. and downtown most of the year on a bicycle. Also great outdoor activities;i.e., cycling, rock climbing, backpacking, hiking, kayaking, rafting, hunting, fishing, sailing; most of the schools I have listed have similar availability.(....but maybe not quite as available.) Boise State has some very acceptable academic programs that if you choose to move they will transfer readily. If you want an education comparable to Westminster you can attend the College of Idaho in Caldwell 30 miles away.

Weber State is also a good school with very good skiing nearby. Snowbasin has great terrain with good snow and Powder Mountain may have the best snow in Utah. (You can get to Alta from Ogden on the big powder days but quite frankly, even though there may be less snow, Snowbasin will not be crowded. Alta will be a Zoo!!)

BTW, I found Bridger @ Bozeman usually has great snow but is quite often "nuts" on the weekends because of too many skiers and slow chairs. (Part of why I left after 15 years and moved to Boise.)

As mentioned above, don't be in a hurry!

I would recommend you show all this discussion (top to bottom) and discuss it with mom and dad!  Good luck and have a great life! Enjoy!

post #17 of 22

It sounds like you've received some very good advice.  Personally, I agree strongly with the last poster that you should sit down with  your Mom and Dad and talk to them about where your thoughts are.  Sitting down first with a counselor could you help you sort through the pieces to clarify what is important to you and what isn't.......not only now but for the FUTURE.  You need to look at what you gain by each course of action as well as what you stand to lose.  I also personally think you need to look at a picture of what your future looks like not just for the next year or two but what it might look like for the next 20 years given your actions over the next 5 years or so.  I don't think you're locked into Westminster, SLC or Nebraska.  There could be other options as others have suggested that would fit great for you.  But if you're serious about your education (and this has a VERY strong impact on where you go in the future), then my opinion is that

skiing takes a back seat -- it's recreation.  Whatever you decide now, skiing can be more or less in your life in the future.  You are the one who will determine that. 

 

It's very hard to know exactly what you want to do.  For whatever its worth, I've always felt that you should open (and keep open) as many doors as possible.......ie. alternatives to fall back on.

Hope you find a path that works well for you!!

post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all of the advice! I have sat down with my parents and they have agreed to let me take time away from school as long as I go to college next year. I am home right now but I will be heading back out to Utah in November as I have gotten a job at alta. I'll get to enjoy this winter in the mountains and not be as stressed. Next fall I will be attending a different school. I will take all of the schools mentioned in the post and look at them and hopefully make a decision soon. I'm very excited for this experience!
post #19 of 22

Happy resolution, I like that.  Congrats on having a good heart-to-heart with your parents.  I also think a year at Alta will expose you to a lot of different people with different careers and priorities.  I wouldn't be surprised at all to discover that you might have an eye-opening experience that completely changes your mind about everything, for the better.

 

 

post #20 of 22

Or he'll realize WHY he wants an education....

post #21 of 22

only reason to get an education is to pay for more epic ski trips, nuff said. 

post #22 of 22

Taking time off to figure out what you want. Its a great thing. Enjoy it. 

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