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Ski length question- Volkl RTM 84

post #1 of 27
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Hello everybody,

I am a new member and I hope I have posted this questions in the right spot.

I am a good / intermediate skier and I ski as aggressively as my skills let me. I am planning to but the 2012 Volkl RTM 84 skis and if I understand correctly, this ski using full rocker technology. I am seeking an advise from the experienced members of this forum on what would be the proper length of this skis for me. The come in four sizes.166, 171, 176 and 181

More info about me. I am 6 feet, 218 lbs.

 

I was told 181cm but 181cm is hard to find, especially the used ones so next size I can find is 176cm.

 

Thanking you in advance

post #2 of 27

Not the right spot but I moved it there. The 181 in length. 

post #3 of 27

What about for an aggressive advanced skiier, 6'0 160lbs. Would you stay away from the 171 and definitely do the 176?

post #4 of 27

Have a similar size question on the RTM 84's.  I'm 6'2", 185lbs, spend most of my time on east coast, skiing a mix of groomers and whenever conditions allow like to ski trees/bumps.  Any insight on which size would be best for me?  Between the 176cm and 181cm.

post #5 of 27

My husband is 6'0" and 185 lbs.  He generally skis a 176 in a carving ski and a 181 in a powder ski.  Since the RTM 84 is a rockered ski, all three of you would probably be better of on the 181.  

post #6 of 27
The RTM "rocker" is very subtle and shouldn't make the skis ski short. Either the 176 or 181 should be fine, it's just a personal preference as to longer or shorter.

Mike
post #7 of 27

I have a gently used Volkl RTM 84 in the 181 cm length if you're interested.  Im in utah.  Bought from Christy's at Deer Valley last year. 

 

PM me if you are still looking or I can send pics if helpful.

 

thanks.  

post #8 of 27

by the way, I am 6'1" and 220 lbs.  The 181 is a good length for my size.  

post #9 of 27

did i understand you correctly?  That you may be selling your Volkl RTM 84's if  so I would be possibly intrested in purchaseing them if price is right. I'm in the San Bernadino mts.in Sourrthern calif. my phone # to be reached is (909) 867-6238. Thanks

post #10 of 27

Remember each time you go up in size you get around 15% - 20% more stiffness in your ski.

 

 Choose the 176cm size and leave the 181's for an expert your size.

 

PS buy the skis from a Volkl dealer with a performance guarantee, so that your not wasting your money!

post #11 of 27

181, and last time I checked Mammoth had a pair at the main lodge, DEMOs.   The skis were actually located in the mammoth mtn in ski shop which is next to the main lodge and part of the ski shop at the main lodge.  

post #12 of 27

OK my turn.

 

Debating the 84 as my new ski.

 

I ski in Ontario, Canada, small hills, often icy.

 

Currently on a 178 Dynastar Contact 4x4.

 

I am 6 foot, 210, aggressive, probbaly about a level 7.

 

I have demoed both the 181's and 176, more time on the 181's and they had a better tune.

 

I also tried the V Werks in 176 length.

 

The 181's felt more stable to me (as they should) but I'm wondering if it's too much ski?

 

The 176's had a bad tune so I didn't enjoy them much on an icy day.

post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by Swerny View Post

OK my turn.

 

Debating the 84 as my new ski.

 

I ski in Ontario, Canada, small hills, often icy.

 

Currently on a 178 Dynastar Contact 4x4.

 

I am 6 foot, 210, aggressive, probbaly about a level 7.

 

I have demoed both the 181's and 176, more time on the 181's and they had a better tune.

 

I also tried the V Werks in 176 length.

 

The 181's felt more stable to me (as they should) but I'm wondering if it's too much ski?

 

The 176's had a bad tune so I didn't enjoy them much on an icy day.

181 for sure, I have 176 and I'm 20 lbs lighter and 4 inches shorter and I would be totally fine on the 181 as well.   

post #14 of 27

176 or 181 RTM 84's aren't for icy Ontario.

 

Try Vwerks Code 178cm, Code Speedwall or Code PSI red all of these have Tip and Tail rocker which is much better suited to Eastern Canada and Eastern US.

post #15 of 27

I have the Contact 4x4 in a 178 and they don't get any use around here in the GTA.  Heck, I rarely even break them out when I go up to Collingwood.  And certainly not at Eden, Moonstone, Horseshoe, etc where we are.

 

Get a shorter slalom ski for around here.  Short radius carver that'll handle the ice.  Under 70mm.  Can't imagine an 84mm ski being competent around here, considering even the 78mm 4x4s are too much ski for our GTA hills.  Was at Alpine in Collingwood a week ago.....brought the Contacts and my Slalom skis too.  Started with the Contacts, then packed them in, there just wasn't enough room to let them run.  Rocked the Slalom skis the rest of the day.  Was in Vermont last month, now THERE was enough space to let the Contacts open up.  But not here in the GTA man.  Forget the 84mm, grab a 67mm and slay the local hills instead.  Corbett's in Oakville and their online discount Ebay store, ASOGEAR, will have some great closeouts starting this weekend.  Keep your eyes open and you can score a killer deal.

post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post

I have the Contact 4x4 in a 178 and they don't get any use around here in the GTA.  Heck, I rarely even break them out when I go up to Collingwood.  And certainly not at Eden, Moonstone, Horseshoe, etc where we are.

 

Get a shorter slalom ski for around here.  Short radius carver that'll handle the ice.  Under 70mm.  Can't imagine an 84mm ski being competent around here, considering even the 78mm 4x4s are too much ski for our GTA hills.  Was at Alpine in Collingwood a week ago.....brought the Contacts and my Slalom skis too.  Started with the Contacts, then packed them in, there just wasn't enough room to let them run.  Rocked the Slalom skis the rest of the day.  Was in Vermont last month, now THERE was enough space to let the Contacts open up.  But not here in the GTA man.  Forget the 84mm, grab a 67mm and slay the local hills instead.  Corbett's in Oakville and their online discount Ebay store, ASOGEAR, will have some great closeouts starting this weekend.  Keep your eyes open and you can score a killer deal.

 I have the RTM 84's and skied bullet proof ice at Big Bear resort right after it rained and froze on super bowl Sunday.  They did as well as any ski I have ever owned on the ice, and the conditions were horrible until about noon.    Anyways I am sure the skis mentioned would be great as well, but the RTM's are not helpless on the ice.   

post #17 of 27

Hey, If the 84's worked for you out West, awesome. I'm not going to get into the West Coast ice vs East Coast ice debate, but the fact that all the Ontario skiers are telling him the same thing, says something.

 

I wouldn't touch the 84's where I live compared to 67mm slaloms though. 

post #18 of 27
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Hey, If the 84's worked for you out West, awesome. I'm not going to get into the West Coast ice vs East Coast ice debate, but the fact that all the Ontario skiers are telling him the same thing, says something.

 

I wouldn't touch the 84's where I live compared to 67mm slaloms though. 

fair enough!  :)

post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post

I have the Contact 4x4 in a 178 and they don't get any use around here in the GTA.  Heck, I rarely even break them out when I go up to Collingwood.  And certainly not at Eden, Moonstone, Horseshoe, etc where we are.

 

Get a shorter slalom ski for around here.  Short radius carver that'll handle the ice.  Under 70mm.  Can't imagine an 84mm ski being competent around here, considering even the 78mm 4x4s are too much ski for our GTA hills.  Was at Alpine in Collingwood a week ago.....brought the Contacts and my Slalom skis too.  Started with the Contacts, then packed them in, there just wasn't enough room to let them run.  Rocked the Slalom skis the rest of the day.  Was in Vermont last month, now THERE was enough space to let the Contacts open up.  But not here in the GTA man.  Forget the 84mm, grab a 67mm and slay the local hills instead.  Corbett's in Oakville and their online discount Ebay store, ASOGEAR, will have some great closeouts starting this weekend.  Keep your eyes open and you can score a killer deal.

Thanks for the input. Strange, I use my 4x4's weekly as my main ski in Collingwood.....cheater GS and it does well in the afternoon crud, lumps etc.

 

I should mention I do have a pair of Dynastar WC slalom skis as my second skis.

 

The 84 just felt like a bigger version of my 4x4's when i demo'ed them.

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by OttawaBootFiter View Post

176 or 181 RTM 84's aren't for icy Ontario.

 

Try Vwerks Code 178cm, Code Speedwall or Code PSI red all of these have Tip and Tail rocker which is much better suited to Eastern Canada and Eastern US.

thanks for the input...I was looking at the Code as well....but I haven't been able to demo them.

 

The guy at a local shop told me they are racier than my 4X4's and require more attention to keep them in line.

post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Swerny View Post

Thanks for the input. Strange, I use my 4x4's weekly as my main ski in Collingwood.....cheater GS and it does well in the afternoon crud, lumps etc.

 

I should mention I do have a pair of Dynastar WC slalom skis as my second skis.

 

The 84 just felt like a bigger version of my 4x4's when i demo'ed them.


Just goes to show you how the same ski can be a different tool (or not) for different people.  For me, I use my SL skis around here, then I'll be grabbing a 98mm as my wide ski/trip ski.  If I can't open up the speed with the 4x4 then I prefer to just stick with the slaloms.  That may just be me, though.  I find my 4x4's not quite versatile enough, so I'll likely sell them.


If you found the 84's more like a wider version of the 4x4, then does that mean the 84's are out of consideration?  I suppose if you're looking for a speed demon then the Code may be the way to go for you.  I prefer a wider range of difference between my skis to avoid overlap, but again that may just be my style.

 

Let us know what you end up with!

post #22 of 27

I skied a borrowed 172 4x4 and then bought 178's. the difference was really surprising (and I sorta preferred the 172's). Mine are really fun, but yeah, even out West here if I don't know it's going to be one of those arcing days they're often not the call. My sense is that a slightly shorter 4x4 matches up with other longer skis. Or vice-versa, so for @swery I'd say go with the longer ones. 

post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by OttawaBootFiter 

 

176 or 181 RTM 84's aren't for icy Ontario.

 

Try Vwerks Code 178cm, Code Speedwall or Code PSI red all of these have Tip and Tail rocker which is much better suited to Eastern Canada and Eastern US.

Just a follow up to this.

 

demo day yesterday and low and behold, a 178 VWerks Code to try.

 

Now, there was fresh snow and it was much softer than usual, but this was a very quick, very light ski that was a lot of fun.

 

They also had a regular Code in 185 that i didn't get to try.

 

I tried it back to back with the VWerks RTM in 176 length which seemed better suited to the conditions yesterday.

 

Honestly, both were a lot of fun, extra versatility with the RTM i guess as a trade off to lesser performance on the usual bulletproof days.

 

Thanks again for the recommendation.

post #24 of 27
Have skied on the Volkl AC 50 and 4 in 184cm and found the 181cm RTM84 felt too short with its rockered tip. I think skis for expert level skiers need to be made 10cm longer if they have a rockered tip. I have the 195 cm Line Mothership with a rockered tip and it feels no longer than my 184cm AC4/50s
post #25 of 27

Hi, are they still available?

thanks

Randall

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Hi, are they still available?

thanks

Randall

 

 

Webejammen -

 

The Volkl AC series >2011 are camber in design.

The Volkl RTM from 2012-2015 are full-rocker in design (RTM 77, 80, 81, & 84)

The RTM for this year (2016) are tip-rocker/camber design and the 84 now has a UVO mounted on it to help with vibrations and stability at speed.

 

If you want to purchase a 2012-2015 RTM you can find them available while supplies last from retailers (assuming they have your size)  To my understanding with the RTM 84 only, 2012-1014 the ski was unchanged but in 2015 Volkl softened up the 84 slightly, otherwise it is the same ski with different graphics throughout those years.

post #27 of 27
This ski, skis long and it's beefy. Believe me, you will be very happy with the 176cm length.
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