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Best ski and boot brand?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
What brand and model of skis and boots do you like the most for on piste alpine skiing? (ski and boot don't have to be same brand)
post #2 of 21

welllllllll.

The best boot is the one that fits your foot and your skiing.....

Shape, size, volume, ability, etc. 

Your best bet is to go to a boot fitter and be assessed for your needs.

I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, but your boots are really your most important piece of gear. 

 

 

The best ski.......

Welllllll.......

There are so many innovative and incredible skis on the market from large manufacturers to small independent brands that you can really get excited about lots of different brands.

 

Once you get your boots sorted out, then demo some skis. 

 

Where are you skiing?

What kind of terrain do you prefer?

How often do you ski? 

What is your ability? 

 

There aren't really many bad skis out there, but there are some wrong skis out there. 

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
I go skiing in NM close to ruidoso and I prefer on piste sometimes hilly terrain on groomed or artificial snow I am about intermediate level and I go every year in February. Fischer vacuum boots look cool, but I don't know if they're what they promise.
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
Can you explain to me how the boot is most important? I'm afraid I don't understand.
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chriso10299 View Post

Can you explain to me how the boot is most important? I'm afraid I don't understand.

 

Simple, the energy you put to the ski, goes through the boot. Think about what the boot is and what it does. Of course it is to keep your foot warm, that is easy. The boot, as a tool, is a transmission. The boot is a transmission of your energy to control and direct the ski. With a poor fitting boot, that energy never makes it to the ski. A well fitting boot will be more efficient for you as the skier trying to control the ski, it will also make skiing easier and will give you more runs during the course of the day and make the sport more enjoyable. Plus it will also keep your foot warmer because it will cause less pressure points. Soooo, while the ski might be the fun and sexy thing to buy, the boot is the most important. No one ever complained about their feet hurting from having the wrong skis. 

 

Oh, and before you ask, we cannot help you with "what is the best boot for YOU", you are best to visit a bootfitter at a specialized ski shop. We can help you with who to see though. Plan on spending on (at least)  $4-600 but it will be the best money you can on your skiing. 

post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well thanks for the advice, I really just opens this thread to see what brands and models people liked, but any advice is helpful
post #7 of 21

Volkl,  skis,  can't go wrong.   RTM 84 you will be happy going everywhere, unless you can't ski powder.  

Or Enduro xt 850,  both really really good skis for all around ripping. 

Boots, COMPLETELY up to you and your foot.  

post #8 of 21

As TC and Phil pointed out, the boot is the most important item.  As for brands that are good, like they said, the fit is most important.  There are other factors to be matched up to; flex, forward lean, cuff height, width etc.  You can have a great boot, but if it doesn't have all or at least most of these things dialed in for you, your skiing will suffer as will your feet.  Getting ski boots isn't like buying street shoes.  Way more thought and planning needs to go into it.  The bootfitters can do neat things to boots too; make it a little bigger her, change the cuff angle, cant them and a myriad of other things.  Usually larger is easier to do than smaller. 

 

As for the Fischer vacuum boot -  I've heard nothing but good things about it.  I would caution you on several things; very expensive with the fitting that you will have to have or defeats the purpose of the boot, is probably a bit more flex than you need or want, it's a high end boot and I believe was designed with an expert skier in mind, and in the other thread you stated your still growing.  I would be awfully expensive to go through this only to have it not fit next season or even worse, you have a growth spurt mid season (happened to my daughter last season.

 

Skis are a little more universal and it seems that everyone has their preference.  But again, more than brand, you have to make sure to match your ski to the type of skiing you'll be doing.  Also realize that most all brands have novice through expert and racer skis.  Many also offer specialty skis like for moguls and park.

 

You can do some searches here and find a bit out.  T

 

Ken

post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chriso10299 View Post

Well thanks for the advice, I really just opens this thread to see what brands and models people liked, but any advice is helpful

You're doing yourself a huge disservice if you're asking about brands rather than what will work for YOU. You can buy a great 'brand', but the wrong product in the line. This happens much more often than it should. At this point, any more specific 'brand' recommendations at this point are people validating their own choices. Tough love, but well intended.
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks, what I am basically trying to achieve in this thread is to see what equipment is more popular with more skilled skiers so that I can have more Information when I do get equipment than "I want skis". I will certainly remember to go with what suits me better than trying to hard to stay with the name brand.
post #11 of 21

Anyone who'll tell you that "x" brand is best is clueless. As has they've tried to tell you above, the best ski is the one that you like best.

 

I have 1 x Atomic, 5 x Kastle, 3 x Dynastar in different places for different conditions. I also like many others, but don't need more (right now). The brands I have are popular, as are many others.

 

Go and demo lots of things, and don't let anyone tell you "what's best", nor form opinions without trying them out.

post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
Man, snofun, where did yu get 9 pairs Of skis without breaking the bank?
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chriso10299 View Post

Thanks, what I am basically trying to achieve in this thread is to see what equipment is more popular with more skilled skiers so that I can have more Information when I do get equipment than "I want skis". I will certainly remember to go with what suits me better than trying to hard to stay with the name brand.

 

 

Not to be a mean'en, but the equipment popular with strong skiers in this thread will be tomorrow's used gear by the time you're ready for it. I know what I really like at the moment, and neither pair I ski regularly are  what I'd have expected to ski on even a couple of seasons ago. What will I be skiing on five years from now? I have no idea, but maybe one pair that's used currently will be my rock skis for early season and bad snow years. smile.gif  The moral of the story? Even those who knows don't knows what's coming up the pipe in even a couple seasons' time. Go skiing, see what people are riding where you are, demo some stuff, take some lessons, go from there. It'll work out just fine!

 

Oh, and find a great boot fitter.

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Chriso10299 View Post

Man, snofun, where did yu get 9 pairs Of skis without breaking the bank?

 

I'm pretty confident they weren't bought in one or even two seasons. I imagine most who put in 50+ days a year average about a new pair a season. I'd guess a number of folks here get pro deals, and if you're ok with last season's model ( a lot of great skiers are ), things get much much less expensive.

post #15 of 21

Everyone here can recommend a brand or two (or three) they really like, and all will say it's a personal choice depending.

 

What brand of boots or skis suck @ss? Or all they just different...

post #16 of 21

To elaborate on boots--different brands, and different models of the same brand are built around different shape lasts (model feet)--some boots fit skinny feet, some fat feet, some wide feet with skinny heels, etc. A good boot fitter will match a boot to your foot and when you come back a month later and say it hurts will fix it, for free. Discount stores will almost always put you into a boot that's too big. It's much easier to make a boot (a little) looser than tighter and softer than stiffer.  If your boots don't fit not only will your skiing suffer, your feet will suffer--a lot.  Every brand will have a model (or several) for every level of skier and every skier terrain/condition preference, but not every brand will fit your foot. It's worth spending the money--boots should last a long time so it's worth getting them right.  Likewise skis--I made the mistake of buying a brand I thought I liked, but I bought a couple of different models other than the one I demoed and liked.  Neither was right.  I've also bought skis based on what somebody who didn't really know me recommended, and regretted it. Every major manufacturer will have a model that will work for you--especially at your level. It's much more important to get the right type of ski than the right brand of ski, which doesn't matter at all. If you go to a good shop and tell them what kind of skier you are, how often you ski, where you ski, what conditions you like, what conditions you would like to do better in, etc etc they will suggest some skis that should work.  If at all possible demo. The best advice I ever heard about buying skis (courtesy of Lito Tejada-Flores)--if you demo a ski and the first run down it makes you say "Wow!" buy it. If it doesn't, stick with what you've got. (The only problem with that advice is that if you buy a pair of "Wow!" skis you're never going to be happy with your old ones--hence, no rock skis.) As far as skiers having a lot of skis--skis have a life span in terms of number of days skied, especially if skied hard and fast. They lose their stiffness and get too floppy.  If you have several pairs for different conditions you wind up with each one lasting longer--so in the long run you wind up buying the same number of skis as if you wore a pair out before buying a new pair, and in the meantime you have more fun. (At least that's what I tell my wife.)

post #17 of 21
Bode has won World Cup races on Fischer, Atomic, Rossignol and HEAD. Tina Maze wins on Stockli. Kastle just knocked the socks off some website's ski test. Are you getting the idea that there isn't one great brand to ski? In fact, there are nearly 300 firms cranking out skis. You won't want to ski some of them, but you could be happy with many. Most majors no longer make a bad ski. So get what you like, not what someone else likes.

The plastic in your boots is harder than your feet. Your feet will break before the plastic will. You are better off getting boots that fit before you even think about skis. The brand is not important. A perfect fit is. Pain or a sloppy fit guarantees you will miserable or have poor technique. Get a pair of boots that fit right and then demo skis.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

 

I'm pretty confident they weren't bought in one or even two seasons. I imagine most who put in 50+ days a year average about a new pair a season. I'd guess a number of folks here get pro deals, and if you're ok with last season's model ( a lot of great skiers are ), things get much much less expensive.

 

Well, consider your confidence shaken, and your imagination and guesses not so good.

 

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The Kastle's are all this season (expect for one pair of next season's MX88 second from right in top pic, and one older set of MX1-8's that'll never leave the quiver), and the Access is 2012, OK, my beloved Mythic Riders are older, and I forgot the K2 ObSETHEd's, they're now ancient as a 10/11 season ski. This is what went through or lives at WB. Can't find any pictures of the SLC quiver but they're new too.

 

Oh no, I don't get a proform. When I ski something I like, I buy it. Life's too short..........


Edited by snofun3 - 8/19/12 at 6:23am
post #19 of 21

Rather than taking up time from people who are trying to provide valuable advice you create a simple Poll to ask what brands people like?

post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Rather than taking up time from people who are trying to provide valuable advice you create a simple Poll to ask what brands people like?

Oooooh, like this? 

http://www.epicski.com/t/112707/if-you-could-be-sponsored

post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post

Well, consider your confidence shaken, and your imagination and guesses not so good.

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The Kastle's are all this season (expect for one pair of next season's MX88 second from right in top pic, and one older set of MX1-8's that'll never leave the quiver), and the Access is 2012, OK, my beloved Mythic Riders are older, and I forgot the K2 ObSETHEd's, they're now ancient as a 10/11 season ski. This is what went through or lives at WB. Can't find any pictures of the SLC quiver but they're new too.

Oh no, I don't get a proform. When I ski something I like, I buy it. Life's too short..........

Your pretty much an outlier sno! smile.gif

The only people I've known in my whole life who buys more skis than you, well, i don't know anyone. Multiple pairs are usually linked to sponsorships and the like, so my confidence isn't shaken a bit. smile.gif. Fun looking quiver... Mount something up with some dynafits and do the spearhead traverse on one of your trips to whistler. smile.gif
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