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I was reading a CNN article about the prolific use of kinesio tape at the Olympics this year and read a comment that intrigued me. The article mentioned one PT who mentioned how the tape prevented some patients from injuring themselves with repetitive strain injuries because they felt the tape tug at their skin when they started to move their shoulder too far. A commenter postulated that it could be used to teach kids in sports so they would "feel" when they did something wrong rather than be told it or have to see it on video. It would allow them to get a better idea of how to do a particular movement.

 

I was just curious if anyone does or has thought about using kinesio tape for ski instruction in this way, taping a specific area of the body so someone would feel when they are bending the wrong way for a certain movement. Or does anyone think its a credible idea at all?

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taping a specific area of the body so someone would feel when they are bending the wrong way for a certain movement. Or does anyone think its a credible idea at all?

 

or when they are moving the right way

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taping a specific area of the body so someone would feel when they are bending the wrong way for a certain movement. Or does anyone think its a credible idea at all?

 

or when they are moving the right way

 

That would work too, although I believe the whole idea is that the tape pulling on the skin provides a slight level of discomfort so I'm not sure how effective that would be. Kind of like using shock therapy to shock the mouse in a maze when he goes the right way. 

post #4 of 18

hmmm. I use that tape, and like it, but can't imagine it restricting me like that. Perhaps a very thorough, stout taping job would do that. Might be a bit pricey.

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hmmm. I use that tape, and like it, but can't imagine it restricting me like that. Perhaps a very thorough, stout taping job would do that. Might be a bit pricey.

Where do you use the tape for skiing?  Do you use it for other sports too?  Came across it recently while researching knee and ACL stuff.

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PTs put it on my leg to promote blood flow to reduce bruising and swelling after the surgery to plate/screw my tibia plateau back together. I probably couldn't flex the knee sufficiently to reach a point where it would pull on the skin uncomfortably. I think most of the folks wearing it are doing so as part of rehab from injury.
post #7 of 18

The basic premise for kinisio tape is to do just as you heard on CNN.  Used properly, it provides gentle reminders or proprioceptive input to the skin to prevent excessive range of motion or getting into postures that could cause some trouble.

 

Other key uses are:

 

 Cross Hatched - helps support edema control

 Longitudinal to the muscle - supports prioprioception & helps in the neuro mechanics of force generation

 Perpendicular to the muscle - decreases tone via inhibition

 Over scars (esp. colored tape post Olympics) - teenagers (& more) will wear to avoid sunburn to a new surgical scar that would cause color changes, hypertrophy of the scar & scar tissue restrictions

 

 Key places for use are over that abdominal for support, along the scapulae to prevent winging & rounding of the shoulders, or along the paraspinals to prevent excessive forward flexion of the spine.......

 

 You could use the tape anywhere to limit motion or facilitate a better contraction...

 

 If you really to restrict motion, use Leuko P tape!  Near canvas & uber sticky to the skin. biggrin.gif

 

Remember in a newly learned motion pattern, most of your gains are neural : rate coding & recruitment.  The muscle learns to be a better more integrated force developer for ~ 6 weeks of time before it ever gains any increase in size /area.

post #8 of 18

Even if it did work, it seems awfully inconvenient to do it with skiers. "OK, strip".

post #9 of 18
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Where do you use the tape for skiing?  Do you use it for other sports too?  Came across it recently while researching knee and ACL stuff.

So far just my knee. My left knee swells up a bit after a lot of skiing. My patella doesn't track properly. I did have surgery many years ago, which stopped it from dislocating, but the damage was already done, and it still sits a little bit off. So I do sort of a modified McConnell taping with the k-tape, which I think helps out with the swelling too. It works really well under ski clothing compared with a brace.  

 

My knee doesn't usually hurt when I ski, but skiing makes it swell, and then it hurts when I play tennis. So I tape during ski season. Haven't needed to tape since skiing was over. (But I have a bad foot, so I can't really play enough tennis anymore to make my knee hurt. Skiing doesn't make my foot hurt, so I can do enough of that to make my knee hurt. :-) lol)

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So far just my knee. My left knee swells up a bit after a lot of skiing. My patella doesn't track properly. I did have surgery many years ago, which stopped it from dislocating, but the damage was already done, and it still sits a little bit off. So I do sort of a modified McConnell taping with the k-tape, which I think helps out with the swelling too. It works really well under ski clothing compared with a brace.  

 

My knee doesn't usually hurt when I ski, but skiing makes it swell, and then it hurts when I play tennis. So I tape during ski season. Haven't needed to tape since skiing was over. (But I have a bad foot, so I can't really play enough tennis anymore to make my knee hurt. Skiing doesn't make my foot hurt, so I can do enough of that to make my knee hurt. :-) lol)

Thanks.  Learning as much as I can before ski season since I won't have an ACL.  Quit playing tennis years ago after my husband did in his shoulder trying serve something I couldn't return and then I developed carpal tunnel due to too much time at a computer keyboard doing things the wrong way.  So my focus on rehab for skiing.  Luckily have no swelling in the knee even after a hard PT session.

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Funny about the article now ... I remember noticing it in the 2008 games, and it's one reason I decided to try it. But I didn't use it until a year ago or so. I have trouble with certain colors sticking ... pink seems to stick the best, and blue. THe "tan" color doesn't work at all. The tape stays on through a few showers, but lotion is kryptonite, and sunscreen too. That's another reason I haven't worn it in summer... it will leave a really odd tan line, but to avoid the tan line, I have to use sunscreen, but that will make it fall off ... 

post #13 of 18

Interesting . . . Dr. Kenzo Kase is a Japanese chiropractor (educated in the U.S) and acupuncturist.  He invented the tape in 1979 and there are two U.S. patents (1965, 1995).  It's cotton fiber with a strong adhesive designed to be as thin as human skin and very stretchy.  Japanese Olympic athletes have been using Kenisio tape since 1988. Originally, only people with medical backgrounds with some training from Kenisio were applying the tape.  It's possible for a medical professional to become a Certified Kinesio Taping® Practitioner(CKTP).  In 2008, 50,000 rolls were donated to Olympic athletes.

 

I get the impression that there is Kenisio (TM) Tex Tape and then there are other tapes that supposedly do the same thing.  Even Walmart sells one.

post #14 of 18

My wife uses Kenisio tape (the real stuff) and is trained in taping for many types of injuries and purposes. We have tried the knock offs as well as some other "supposed to be the same" and they do not work quite the same. When we were visiting Japan a few years ago we even purchased some of the supposed "real good, generic" tapes that are not available stateside yet. If I could change my healing pattern via placebo that would be a neat trick. multiple bruises or swelling patterns on knees and ankles. Tried both tapes at the same time and the difference between the healing time was up to 2 days faster with the Kenisio tape over the other tapes. Proper taping of a bruise (black and blue) to get better circulation and after 2 days you get this real neat pattern on the bruise matching the tape. nice and pink where the tape was and that yellow blueish tinge where the skin was exposed. Overall healing was faster using the tape over nothing at all.

 

The CNN articles and other news articles I have read, don't seem to have done their homework. Most debunk the technology and science behind it.

 

DC

post #15 of 18

It's KINESIO tape, not KENISIO. btw.

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I was surprised to hear that the tape is named after a person.

When I heard it on TV I figured it was a play on "kinesiology," which would actually be a pretty good match.

 

I wonder if the fact that it sounds like what it is played a role in its early-stage success.

 

"Kensio's kinesio tape"

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I was surprised to hear that the tape is named after a person.

When I heard it on TV I figured it was a play on "kinesiology," which would actually be a pretty good match.

 

I wonder if the fact that it sounds like what it is played a role in its early-stage success.

 

"Kensio's kinesio tape"

How do you get "named after" from Dr. Kenzo Kase and Keniso Tex Tape?

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How do you get "named after" from Dr. Kenzo Kase and Keniso Tex Tape?

Oops.  I read it awhile before I commented, and an i slipped into his name in my memory.

 

But actually, I think it is named after him.  It's pretty clear the "Ken" is from his name... otherwise it would be spelled "Kin". Pretty slick swapping the i and the e, kines[i]o -> keniso.

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