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post #31 of 46
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Thanks for all your input in my absense. Too much boring "grown up's" stuff got in the way of prepping for the season and now people are skiing around here!

 

I hope these pics illustrate what I feel is happening while skiing.

 

 

 

 

 

If I read your posts right, a more active bidning would help flex the boot, instead of it wanting to come out of the bindning?

 

That selection chart is a great help, thanks!

After reading your reviews, Axl #1 and the Enzo are at the top of the list. Maybe the SWX2 too... I have to look into what I can get a hold of at a reasonable price.

post #32 of 46

I have read that the Axl requires a "break-in" period.  Is this true?

post #33 of 46

Tele-Swede: in response to your posted images, that looks like a very burly boot!  Perhaps it is simply too stiff for the Switchback?

post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by Seldom Turns View Post

Tele-Swede: in response to your posted images, that looks like a very burly boot!  Perhaps it is simply too stiff for the Switchback?

Yes, From what I read in this thread, that's probably the problem. And since I like the boots, I'll have too beef up on the bindings... cool.gif

post #35 of 46
I've skied the Switchback for touring. I love it for skinning, but I do not care for the way it skis. Normally, in-bounds I ski Hammerheads with stiffy springs (position 4 or 5), so I like an active binding. I have also skied the Axl, but not enough to have a really informed opinion on it. However, one thing that I really like about the Axl is its solid construction (bomber, in fact). I trust it more than the Switchback or the BD 01 to not break in the backcountry.
post #36 of 46
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input guys. My new BD O1's should be in the mail now. Now, if we could just get some fresh snow for some decent turns...

post #37 of 46

TS, if you have a way to measure them (e.g. calipers), how thick are the lugs on your boots?

post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

TS, if you have a way to measure them (e.g. calipers), how thick are the lugs on your boots?

I'm not quite sure I understand wich part you are asking about? Just the lugs (softer sole) is 7mm, total thicknes of the duck bill is 18mm.

 

Thanks again for all the input. Had a first day on the new set up and I definetly like it! The bindings really provide a different feeling wich will take som getting used to. And I'm thinking I might want to get stiffer springs than mid-stiff as well.

And I need to stop the springs to unwind themselves, wich is really a PITA! Steped out of the binding twice in the first day, before I figured it out and started checking them every run.

post #39 of 46
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Originally Posted by Tele-Swede View Post

I'm not quite sure I understand wich part you are asking about? Just the lugs (softer sole) is 7mm, total thicknes of the duck bill is 18mm.

 

 

Ah, sorry.   The 18mm is the number I was after, thanks. 

post #40 of 46
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Originally Posted by Tele-Swede View Post

Yes, From what I read in this thread, that's probably the problem. And since I like the boots, I'll have too beef up on the bindings... cool.gif

You can bend the boot with good technique, or you can bend the boot with an active binding. The best is a lot of the former and some of the latter. smile.gif
post #41 of 46
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


You can bend the boot with good technique, or you can bend the boot with an active binding. The best is a lot of the former and some of the latter. smile.gif

Well, thanks a lot! rolleyes.gif

post #42 of 46

Or you could just be too light to bend the boot. That happens pretty frequently with lighter telemarkers...   

 

No worries, my comment wasn't directed toward you nor was it a judgement about you or your skiing. I'd  make no claims aside from what you've shown in your picture... you aren't able to flex the bellows in a neutral binding. For some, it has nothing to do with technique, that's why I said it's helpful for many to have a more active binding.. Around here, there aren't many tele skiers who properly weight their rear foot even if using an active binding. That might not be your situation at all. Apologies, I should have been more clear about that. 

 

(I'm in the school of thought that it's really a  combo of the boot and ski that drive the binding choice. Speaking only for myself, as soon as a ski gets much over about 95mm, torsional stiffness is your friend. A big boot has it, but a 3 pin, an old Superloop or G3 Targa doesn't... then it's time to find a binding better to get energy to the edge of the ski. All this is based on the assumption that the boot bellows are getting bent by the skier using either/or/both technique and/or appropriate binding combo)


Edited by markojp - 12/12/12 at 10:33am
post #43 of 46
Thread Starter 

After skiing the O1's for a while I definately like them. Still think I might have to get the stiffer springs though. But I do have a new question for those of you that have experience with BD bindings.

Do I need to carry any spares, if so, what?

I'm packing for this seasons first back country trip away from civilisation and just realized I don't have any spare parts for the bindings. When I was on G3 Targas I had the G3 kit with the most critical parts. No I have nothing, really.

What do you guys bring? 

post #44 of 46
Seldom Turns,

Scarpa's TX-Comp is indeed their stiffest flexing NTN boot. It is definitely stiffer than the TX-Pro, but not as stiff as the comparable T-Race that it is supposed to emulate in the NTN realm. The reason the bellows are consistently softer with NTN boots is because of how NTN bindings clamp to the boot at the 2nd Heel, not the Real Heel. wink.gif

Be aware that if you plan to do much backcountry skiing with NTN the new Freedom binding has a much better tour mode, and I would also argue, a better turn mode too. It depends on your skiing style. If you're pretty aggressive, then you want the Freeride binding, but it has a limited range of motion for touring (only 30 degrees) whereas the Freedom has a 50 degree ROM. Also, the Freedom is not as powerful. Personally I prefer it as it has a smoother, yet faster engagement, but I'm not using a stiff boot either (TX).

Consider tele.skier's recent comment on a post he made about modifying the NTN Freeride to have a better touring function.
post #45 of 46

Dostie,

 

Thanks for the explanation.  I've settled on the Axl with Scarpa T2 Eco boots, which seems to be a good combination for my touring/skiing style.

 

Cheers,

 

--ST

post #46 of 46
Considering your experience/preference for HH, that makes total sense. Good combo IMO.
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