Markers - what's the dilly-o?

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Originally Posted by JayC 

 I'm currently hunting for a pair of AC30s, but they all seem to have markers on them.  So, you think that the 'park' Markers are good, but the more conventional ones are not?

 

JayC

I have a pair of AC 30's with Marker's Wide Ride Binding (Sorry not for sale!) They are a great combo.  From your description we ski the same. hard and fast with a taste for bumps and trees.  The AC 30's though a tad stiff, will it that bill nicely.  I can't remember having a prelease on them even once.  I also have  a pair of Marker Griffen Schizo's on  some Rossi E 98's and haven't had a prerelease with them either.  I am sure you will be fine with them.

Good Luck,

Rick G

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Originally Posted by JayC 

Unfortunately, the 916's have an integral mounting system (is that Pilot?), and are pretty much beat to hell.  I have a pair of '08 Tornado's that I'm looking forward to skiing this year - they have (I think) Z10 bindings on them.  I'm currently hunting for a pair of AC30s, but they all seem to have markers on them.  So, you think that the 'park' Markers are good, but the more conventional ones are not?

 

JayC

Jay

I understand your issues with older Markers.  And I understand your current love for Salomon 916s. 

I've had horrible accidents due to the dreaded Marker pre-release.  I currently own 8 or 9 pairs of 916s, on everything from Pontoons to WC SL skis. 

I would take a look at the bindings on the Tornados.  If it is the Z10, i'd be wary on them.  The Z10 is basically an update of the old Salomon 600 series binding, with the three-hole Quadrax style toe.  I've had some bad crashes on those due to binding pre-release as well.  The Z10 is fine for recreational skiers, but they aren't the most aggressive binding on the market.

Now, the "park" Markers are the newer style, with the Royal Family toe design like the Duke.  I've had a pair of Dukes for the past few season, and have never had any issues with them as long as I take the time to clean the snow off of my soles properly.  I would think the the Jester would ski just as well as the Duke, being that it is the same as the Duke, except without the touring feature.

Peace be the Journey

I've skied the same Marker M48 Race bindings for few years (too many) and can say that pre-release does occure if you sit back and load the toe upwards (Thank you Biometric toe).  The fastest way out of these bindings was to sit back and twist, voila! you had no skis attached to your boots.  My initial solution was to increase the DIN setting on the toe to MAX and know that I could get out by sitting back for a few years.  Got a little smarter as I aged.....and changed technique not to sit back and returned the settings to where they should be and all was well again.

That was my only reason for pre-release.

Mind you I didn't have the Roto heel even though I wanted a set (and as I understand it they had other issues for pre-release).

Personally, I liked the old Marker M48s (and still use them when I want to play on my straight skis)

could you possibly be able to tell me how i can find out about a certain pair of snow skis. the information on them is Head 360 the number on them is 180AR21807 Rotamat Marker. any information would be appreciated.

sincerely;

tanner55

I have marker bindings on all my race skis and a couple of other pairs and never had a problem with them.

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Originally Posted by tanner55 

could you possibly be able to tell me how i can find out about a certain pair of snow skis. the information on them is Head 360 the number on them is 180AR21807 Rotamat Marker. any information would be appreciated.

 

sincerely;

tanner55

So, if you're trolling I'm biting.  The Head 360 was a model that came out a long, long time ago.

Can you post a photo?

There's a reasonably good chance that those skis could be 40 years old or more.  What color are the skis?  Do the Rotamats have long leather straps?

I bought a used pair of 360's somewhere around 1964 or 1965.

They exploded just like the other 2 pair of used HEADS I skied in the 60's.  I guess crashing down KT22 every weekend was too much to expect from them.
 

As far as color, I never saw anything but black.  Cubco bindings with leather safety straps.

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Originally Posted by tanner55 

could you possibly be able to tell me how i can find out about a certain pair of snow skis. the information on them is Head 360 the number on them is 180AR21807 Rotamat Marker. any information would be appreciated.

 

sincerely;

tanner55

I believe these came out around 1967. Yes, they are that old   Yours are 180cm long. They were a forgiving model for advancing skiers.

The Marker Rotamat was from the same time period and was a good binding from that time. These would be "vintage" gear now.

Ah yes, the Marker Rotomat, aka the Explodamatic as they literaly came apart when they released in a fall. You then had to snap them back together before putting your boot back in and they weren't 'step in" bindings.  I had a pair on my very first pair of skis back in 72 and they were a royal pain in the arse!  And the prior mentioned long leather straps were what everyone used before ski brakes.  I finally replaced them a couple of years later with a pair of Tyrolia 350 Diagonal.

Those were the good ole days!

Rick G

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Originally Posted by jzamp 

I have marker bindings on all my race skis and a couple of other pairs and never had a problem with them.

Are you skiing the Marker Comp 16 or 20? Those don't have Biometric Release.

Or are you using the Marker Piston Plates. The pistonplates  isolate the bindngs from most of the ski flexing issues.

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Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian 

 

Are you skiing the Marker Comp 16 or 20? Those don't have Biometric Release.

 

Or are you using the Marker Piston Plates. The pistonplates  isolate the bindngs from most of the ski flexing issues

both the 16 and 20 and with Piston plates. I know they are great bindings (even the bootfitter told me that after seeing their "bite" lol) but i don't know if there are fundamental differences between the race line and markers' other products. I honestly assumed they transfered the same tech down the line...

For the '10/'11 season I used Look Pivot 14's and did not have a release until the '11/'12 season.  I am an advanced / aggressive skier and I am very impressed with the retention of this binding while having the DIN set at 7.5 (I am 165#'s / 5' 10").

Last year I skied on the the Pivot and Marker Griffons and had 2 releases where I did not want them to release.

Very impressed with the Looks. 

My Marker Comp 16s seem to work quite well, but I've only got the DIN setting at 8.5.  Retention characteristics might not be as good at higher DIN settings.

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Originally Posted by jrc22ski 

For the '10/'11 season I used Look Pivot 14's and did not have a release until the '11/'12 season.  I am an advanced / aggressive skier and I am very impressed with the retention of this binding while having the DIN set at 7.5 (I am 165#'s / 5' 10").

 

Last year I skied on the the Pivot and Marker Griffons and had 2 releases where I did not want them to release.

 

Very impressed with the Looks. 

I initially started on PX 14's and 2 releases from the toe, in cases falling sideways at very slow speeds (don't want to talk about the stupid mistake I was making in both cases ).  Binding was set correctly at 8.5 (168#/6'0") Was somewhat surpirsed at that release otherwise no problems.  Changed the bindings over the PX15's primarily for the metal toe when I changed boots (reduction in BSL now set at 9) again it was easy because it has a predrilled mounting plate.

Prior to that I was still skiing my MARKER M48's at 8 with no releases in about 6 years. 

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Originally Posted by Philpug 

Type IV skier? Seriously? 

YES and it was really really stupid and embarrassing  Felt like a complete newbie!!!!

1st fall doing 360's right after lift on soft wet snow 2nd run of season (you know to get your center of balance type exercises) and second run on shaped FIS GS skis, learned that they require a little more attention  as they edge better (also catch edges better).  I was skiing sideways at the time to my defense.

2nd fall about 2 ski days later same conditions looked over shoulder, to check were son was (he has seizures and does take a bit of focus from my skiing when he's with me) forgot lesson learned the first time.  I guess some people are slow learners  (and that I just fell under the classification of some people).

What an embarrassing way to learn a lesson

A lot of this pre release stuff has to do with skiing style.

If you ski centered bindings don't have much work to do.

If you are constantly in the back seat (like many mogul skiers) then ski flex and upward toe pressure will cause release.

BCP skiing by a strong skier puts all kinds of unusual stresses on bindings.

 the black skis in the middle are the ones i have and the footing gear has the leather straps on them. they are in very good condition.

 this is what the footing gear looks like, with the leather straps of course.

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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier 

I initially started on PX 14's and 2 releases from the toe, in cases falling sideways at very slow speeds (don't want to talk about the stupid mistake I was making in both cases ).  Binding was set correctly at 8.5 (168#/6'0") Was somewhat surpirsed at that release otherwise no problems.  Changed the bindings over the PX15's primarily for the metal toe when I changed boots (reduction in BSL now set at 9) again it was easy because it has a predrilled mounting plate.

 

Prior to that I was still skiing my MARKER M48's at 8 with no releases in about 6 years. 

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Originally Posted by Philpug 

Type IV skier? Seriously? 

According to the DIN Chart that I found on line (2007/2008 which I'm guessing is the current one in use), oldschoolskier at 168lbs is on line K and the only 8.5 is for a BSL of 311-330 and thus a Type IV (aka Type 3+). But by going down in BSL for the new smaller boot, the new correct DIN should be 9.5, not 9.

Oldschoolskier you do not currently have your binding set at the correct setting according to the chart, but it might be the setting that works for you.

Thanks, I know, as I get older I get a little more conservative, if I'm not popping at 9 I'm good.  Don't bounce as well as I used too.

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Originally Posted by tanner55 

 the black skis in the middle are the ones i have and the footing gear has the leather straps on them. they are in very good condition.

 this is what the footing gear looks like, with the leather straps of course.

Tanner55, What else did you want to know about these bindings/ skis?  you could safely use the skis IF you use a modren biding that will release reliably and interface with modern(DIN spec) boots.  I met a guy  at ALTA this past winter who skis 360's regularly(with modern bindings)   I picked up 2 pair of 360's this summer at thrift shops and plan to put a modern binding on one pair and keep the original LOOK NEVADA on the other pair.  I will mount them with Boot Center in the same spot and do a fun side by side binding  comparison. 

Also,  I skied two times last winter on the above MARKER bindings mounted to a pair of FISCHER SUPERGLASS.  But that ws after a complete overhaul and  a careful and time consuming adjustment of the release settings.  I also used  period correct Leather boots ( both KOFLACH w/buckels and MOLITOR laceups) that had been used with these bindings in the past and had the correct indentations for the toe pieces.  I also was careful to only do some groomed blue rund where I knew I could stay with in my limits and be safe.  At the same time I knew I was taking on an elevated risk of injury.  Here is a pic of the KOFLACH,ROTAMAT/SIMPLEX , and SUPERGLASS and my best "vintage" outfit.  it was a lot of fun an difficult to ski this old gear.  I highly recomend a strong back ground with Telemaking as a base for sking low flexy leather boots on vintage gear.  You have to stay very centered as you can't put a lot foward force through your shins into the ski.  Stay tunes to the MORE RETRO MEMORIES thread for updates.

Royal

I don't ski, these skis were left in a house that my sister bought. We live in east texas, and we were curious about them. She is wanting to sell them but wanted to know the history on them spacific skis before she knew what to sell them for.

I recently purchased some old wooden 1920s skis from an antique store for $90. While your skis are an iconic brand from the 1960s, I think you would find them going for $10-$20 in a thrift shop.

Right, the local re-use center has hundreds of skis like that for $5/pr.