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Need new set up and cant decide between Pollards, Sideseths, and Pettitors with AT bindings

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Hi guys, I am 29 and used to ski a lot when I was younger and spent a few seasons in Fernie BC in my early 20s. Since my time in Fernie I spent about 5 years getting a degree, house, wife, business going and only got in a few weeks of skiing every year.


Last year my wife and I moved to Revelstoke BC for the winter and I got in 50+ days on the mountain with probably a 3rd of them being pow days. (Revy is awesome!)


Last season I skied my old Seth Pistols with Look alpine bindings cerca 2004. Right near the end of the season part of my tail cracked and got super soft and was actually flapping on skiouts on my last day. Since we are going back to Revy for the winter I need new skis!

At the resort I like to ski everything from trees to chutes to bowls to bombing groomers when the snow is bad. I also hit 10-20' cliffs and kickers on occasion.

Revy has no park and Im getting old so I dont get too crazy on jumps. I am also planning on getting into touring and doing some shorter trips with friends next season.

I will take an avy coarse since I havent had any avy training since I was an 18 year old volunteer ski patroller.

Basically I wan't 1 set up that does it all (I think). I will likely be skiing 85-90% of days on the mountain and 10-15% of days touring. I have been doing quite a bit of research on skis and bindings and have narrowed down my options and would love to hear what you guys think.

For bindings I see 3 options.

1 - Marker Dukes - Avantages - The tried and true bulkier AT binding that has been allowing skier to go on short tours without compromising to much stability when doing resort days. A lot of people love this binding and it looks like you know what you get. - Disadvantages - The boot is farther off the ski then my other two options, there are issues with it icing up after an assent and you have to unclip to get your skins off

2- Salomon Guardian 16 - I read the entire article and discussion about these bindings at this site and found it very informative. You guys really know your stuff! Advantages - A brand new design much like the dukes with similar weight but with more metal components that gets your book closer to the ski than the dukes. Its toughted as being even more stable for resort skiing than the duke. You also dont have to take your skis off to get your skins off and it looks to be more user friendly in touring mode then the dukes. -Disadvantages - It is unproven and slightly more expensive then the dukes. I would like to wait a year to see some real reviews for this ski but need skis this year!

 3- MFD - Advantages - This plate system gets the boot even 1/4" closer to the ski than the salomans and I could use a real apline binding on it.

If I could use my old Look bindings off of my busted skis then I could save $200.

-Disadvantages - I am spending $200 and still have to use my old bindings. Im not sure if I could even mount my old look bindings on the MFD plate. Does anyone know any more about this?


Another thing that I want to consider is how easily I can come out of any of these given set ups. I ski with about a 10 din and last season came out of my bindings about once a week, but they came off when they were supposed to. Last year I also managed to come out of my bindings toe first 2 seperate times. Both times the binding toe peice actually rotated to a verticle position when landing backwards and Im sure that my bindings helped me avoid knee injury on each occasion. It takes a lot of force to come out this way but I want similar performance out of my next set of bindings.

Will the Dukes or guardians allow a skier to eject in this way? Are ther any other issues that I am not considering in my binding comparison?


For skis I see my 3 options as being:

1- K2 Sideseths - Advantages - I like and trust K2 construction more than any other brand of skis that I have ridden. The new Sideseths are firm and hard charging and apparently easy to get the custom skins on and off of for touring. The skis shape looks to me to be better for touring than either of my other 2 options (but my touring knowledge is very limited so I may be way off). the 181 lenght is a good size considering I was comfortable on my 179 pistols. -Disadvantages - It doesnt have as much camber underfoot as the other options and might not be a quick at turning in the trees. Also does the added ski rigidity this year make it a heavier ski for touring?

2- K2 Pettitors - Advantages - Comes in a 179 which is perfect for me. Not as rigid as the sideseths but quicker to turn in the resort. More camber underfoot and nicest all around shape out of the 3. Sturdy K2 construction which I trust. If I were to buy a ski strictly for alpine use this is what I would get. -Disadvantages - I didn't read anything about custom skins for this ski. Is this ski even meant to be used to tour with on occasion? The shape of the ski seems less optimal for touring with the flared tail and big twin tips. Lastly I know its a bit silly but I always land back on my skis and busted my last skis at the tail so I might want a sturdier back end then what this ski offers. Im sure that if Pettit cant break it then I cant either!

3 - Line Mr. Pollards Opus - Advantages - This ski seems to get the best reviews out of any of the 3 skis on my list and has been on the market in various forms for years so it looks like it may be the most pollished out of the 3. By the line mode of construction it also looks like it would be the lightest for touring. the shape of this ski looks to also have good rise at tip and tail with underfoot camber to shoot through turns. -Disadvantages - This ski seems less indistructable than the K2's. The available lengths of 178 and 185 are kind of in the middle of where I would like to be at 181 or 182. Do skis with this type of rise and shape ski longer or shorter than my old school 179 pistols?


I have no idea about how easily skins are to use with this sk or any lines for that matter. If ayone actually read this whole thing then thank you very much and I appreciate any feedback that anyone out there wants to give!



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post #3 of 26

The Pollard ski very short, so I believe you wouldn`t have a problem with the 185 I believe and it`s for sure on the light side compared to the other 3. I don`t know how much do you weight so it might maybe be too soft.


There are skins available for the Petitor which K2 calls Trim to fit, those are not the pre-cut skins that are available for the backside series and match exactly the ski size, but you are covered by K2, it won`t be a problem to find skins for the Petitor.


Another one I would consider is the Sidestash from K2, it seems to be more versatile than both the Petitor and Sideseth being 108 underfoot you might have a more versatile ski for resort days, also it`s the only one with a flat tail which might be a problem or not, depending on what you are looking for :-) or preferences regarding ski shape. 


From the 3 options I would get the Pollard, which wouldn`t be any harder than the Petitor for skin options, but that`s because I`m lightweight guy, I do like the Sideseth too and you have the skin pre-cut for the skis, and as you said you get a lot of powder so it might not be a problem and you might not need/want to go for the sidestash for more versatility. 


Can`t speak for bindings since I don`t know anything about bindings :-) Although I can say that Fischer is also releasing a new touring binding next season, I don`t know the name/model from top of my head.

post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks MFA, good advice.


Im not sure what happened to my paragraph breaks but there were about 10 different paragraphs when I wrote the message so sorry for the long winded apperance Jayt

post #5 of 26

What is your weight because it sounds like you might need to be on something bigger than a 181-183. Especially if you are on a rockered ski like the ones you are suggesting they ski pretty short. If you are looking in that waist range also check out DPS skis. The wailer 112 would be awesome as an everyday ski in that size and so would the lotus 120. They are also lighter than all the skis on this list when it comes time to tour. PM if you have any questions about them or are looking for a pair.

post #6 of 26

For starters you're talking about skis and bindings with a set up that leans heavily  toward AT but you're stating that you're only going to ski AT 10-15% of the time.

There are some better options for slack country AT bindings than there were a few years ago.  You mentioned two bindings and a plate that could do the trick, but there are some more options in that department out there, like the Tyroilia Adrenaline and Atomic Tracker, not to mention the Marker F12. 


Take a look at all of these before you make a decision, especially if you're leaning toward the Duke.  The F12 is lighter. 


When it comes down to the skis, you've got some good choices there.   I have not skied those so will leave that to others who have. 

post #7 of 26

I think I'd go with the Pollards in a 185.  It's a twintip so it's going to feel more like a 178 when you're actually skiing it.  If you want a ski from LINE that might be a little better in crud and on groomers without sacrificing much powder performance, you should also consider the new Influence 115's (which are supposedly quite different from previous models).  Based on what I've read - I should add - not personal experience.

post #8 of 26

I wouldn't ever consider the F12's.  I don't think they would withstand the punishment the Ninja Traverse would inflict.  The Dukes are the most proven design and can probably be purchased the cheapest?  I wouldn't worry about stack height.  I ski the Dukes and hardly notice it. Plus, I've heard of several problems with MFD's and they're not that much cheaper than Dukes?


But, Rogers Pass has some of the best touring in the world.  I would think eventually,  you will want a dedicated touring setup?

post #9 of 26

This is what I would get if it was me and I lived there:


Plates for both salomon and dynafit bindings:


Find some cheap used salomon bindings.  Make sure they have the right hole patterns as some of the older ones have 3 in the front (maybe even buy used skis for the bindings)

Get the dynafit speed bindings for bc here:



These skis 186cm Irock flat tail skis on sale for $390



Should come out to a little over $800 for skis and two types of bindings.


buy some boots with swapable soles that fit your feet.

post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the feedback guys,


I thought a similar thing about the F12 compared to the duke with the Duke probably being able to take more abuse with me planning on doing a few more seasons of 50+ days on the hill. I didn't however check out the Tyrollia Adrenalines yet and from what I found in the discussion boards and from the tyrolllia you tube video they look to be very well designed and thought out so I guess that I should put those bindings right up there with the Duke and Guardian/Trackers. I was leaning towards the Guardians but I like the way the locking system on the Tyrollias look to operate a bit better. The prongs that lock the Guardians in place look more apt to break or bend than a sliding system like the Dukes/Tyrollias. Although the prongs might be easier to clear snow from. (Again this is all from what Ive read/seen online so I may be way off).


So far the Pollards at 185 seem to be the ski that everyone loves so I might be leaning towards them too. The shape seems to be better engineered in terms of rise and camber than either of the K2s and peolple love them.


Oh and I way around 170 lbs, and yes eventually I will probably want to get a dedicated touring set up. That may mean that the bindings that I get this year might turn into strictly alpine bindings down the road (if they make it).


Thanks again for your opinions guys

post #11 of 26

Welcome back to skiing.


I ski down the road from you at Kicking Horse.  My every day ski is a pair of 189 4frnt Turbos with Dukes.  It's a great do-everything combo.  Wide enough to float well in the pow, but stiff enough to handle chunky crud.  Not a ton of rocker either, so they won't kill you on the ski-outs.  I take mine with me every day, including the days I'm on pow skis.


And they're cheap.


Here's a used pair of 182s for under $200:



They're made by Elan, and Elan's durability and quality control is top notch. 


I'm 5'11"/195 by the way.

post #12 of 26
Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian View Post


They're made by Elan, and Elan's durability and quality control is top notch. 


Is this true for all 4frnt skis? That`s interesting!

post #13 of 26
Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post


Is this true for all 4frnt skis? That`s interesting!

The "White Room" ski's are built in SLC. I think mainly just the Renegade.

post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 

Good idea Maineac,


I hadn't even considered swap plates. If I used swap plates then I could use my old alpine bindings and buy some new dynafit bindings and probably save enough cash do get a decent dynafit boot. Your link to the dynafit speed binding looked like it had a great price and I could look for a dynafit boot at a ski swap or try to get one of last years models from a shop or online somewhere. I guess the cost of boots would then be the major cost as opposed to the bindings and I would have an alpine set up and a touring set up on the same skis. The only limitation to this would be if I wanted to go slackcountry and impromptu little tours.

post #15 of 26

You can solve this problem with the Dynaduke plate. Pick up a cheap pair of used dukes or barons (probably between 175-275 depending on condition) sell your alpine binders and then you can use the duke as your every day (including sidecountry or short tours) and the dynafits for longer touring days. Jon also has hinted at the creation of guardyfits or dynaguardians that would do the same thing with the guardian (but you then have to buy new guardians as well).

post #16 of 26

Somebody has new Dukes on TGR for $300.



Not that I would recommend these for you, but this is a smoking deal on some big boy skis?


post #17 of 26

Yeah I think the Euro is helping with the prices on the Dynafit.


I don't like the Duke because of the stack height which bothers me and they are heavy and they are a marker...


You could switch the boots with the bindings, but it is nice to have the same boot for all your riding.


If you think you might be doing some slack country then just rock the dynafit for that day.  They are fine inbounds.


I sure would not want to tour on that Head ski.  I posted the PSA over on TGR Shreadhead probably saw.


Quite sure the Dynafit speed works with the plate, but check everything out with Jon before you order-really great guy.


If you go dynafit get these leashes-I swear by them.



post #18 of 26

I think it is easy to get ahead of things. With no touring experience, a Duke or perhaps Tracker/Guardian is a fine choice to get a taste of things without going overboard. Yeah - I would not go that way for pure alpine. Especially as I like my bindings low. Not for a really dedicated touring rig. Because there are lighter better touring bindings. But these things bridge the worlds nicely without forcing someone to get into plates, tech bindings, tech inserts, blah,blah,blah. Which is why I use these on some skis. For my .02 - get a good ski & stick a Duke(or Baron) or a Tracker/Guardian  on. Get out and tour sidebounds a few times and see what you think. Lots of us have found the reality is a bit different from what we imagined. Not worse, but different. If you end up wanting a more tour oriented rig - add that later IMO.


Dukes are pretty well proven at this point. Word from folks I know who have skied the 2013s is that they are a big step up in performance. I would not worry about Dukes or Barons. 


I looked into the MFD plates a bit. Everyone I know who has used them has hated the weight when combined with their existing alpine bindings (often not light ones - but the pitch was to use your favorites...).


As others have said - the F12 is biased toward the touring side of things. Way light for this class of binding. But I don't think I'd drive 'em hard skiing alpine.


You have lots of good ski choices - arguably including the skis you have mentioned. Mostly you need to figure out your preferences in terms of style. Charging over the toes? Centered? Unidirectional or switch? etc. etc....Regarding your comments on Petit not breaking skis - some of those guys are probably on custom layups, and the sponsored folks that I know who take factory skis bust them up pretty routinely. Personally, I'm a Praxis fan - in part because they are just solid as could be & have a number of well designed skis that fit this kind of profile. ON3P deservedly has fans in this regard as well. Likewise DPS. Up north, Prior is worth a look... Depending on how you ski, the 4FRNT Hoji could be worth  checking out for this class of use. I was super impressed when I played with a pair. The bottom line is that most of us have favorite skis and favorite brands. But only you know what you are looking for...


One more thing - if you want quick turning in trees, you probably want less camber rather than more. Up to and including reverse camber.

Edited by spindrift - 7/25/12 at 3:28pm
post #19 of 26

just a quick suggestion, if you have no backcountry experience, and might ski 10-15% of your time back there, do not mess around with swap plates or dynafits or dedicated dynafit boots.  its time, money and hassle you just don't need to invest into it.  


stick some guardians or dukes/barons, and go for it.  


i prefer the g3 alpinist skins personally, but those or the BD ascension skis will work great on literally any rocketed ski, as long as they are as wide as the underfoot width.


good luck!

post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 

Ok so I decided on a pair of 2012 Line Influence 115's because they were on sale for $445 with free shipping and no tax. I got the last pair of 186's available from here:




All 3 of the other skis that were this years models were going to cost me between $700-$800.  From what I read the influence 115's were a bit harder charging and stiffer then the Pollards, so Im prety pumped! Going from a 118 or 120 underfoot to a 115 shouldn't make a huge difference. These skis actully look closer to the Sideseths than the pettitors or Pollards that I was considering from what I have read. I decided to give up some floatiness and add some weight in order to charge a bit harder on my resort days.


I am still pretty up in the air about bindings but still think that I will probably go with an AT binding now that I saved some cash on a new set of sticks and because I chose a heavier ski. I can always get a dedicated set up next year if I really like my tours this year.


Spindrift - I have seen that the Dukes have a wider binding coming out new for 2013, if they worked out some more kinks while redesigning for this binding it might still be my best option rather than going with a completly new model (ie tyrollia adrenaline/Head or Guardian/Tracker). I might now be leaning a bit towards the wide base 2013 dukes. Also the 2012 115s have little to no Camber and should be able to manouver a bit better in tight trees, where I probably spend most of my time, so thanks for that little bit of advice.


Thanks again for all the feedback everyone

post #21 of 26
Originally Posted by msolson View Post

stick some guardians or dukes/barons, and go for it.  



Marshal - have you guys had a chance to play around with the Guardians yet?  I'm anxiously awaiting an in-depth Blister review...

post #22 of 26
Originally Posted by JayT View Post


Marshal - have you guys had a chance to play around with the Guardians yet?  I'm anxiously awaiting an in-depth Blister review...




I only have a handful of runs on it, personally, but it skis nice.  I would call it a small incremental improvement over the duke inbounds, but with a small weight gain.  i can, for 100% promise you that an in-depth review is coming in the near future. I think jonathan is taking them to SA to test, and I will be testing them as soon as i get them out on snow meaningfully this fall.

post #23 of 26

FWIW, since you asked...


I have skied and done typical "skin for laps" stuff  on various past/current year Duke/Baron/Tour. IMO the Tour, as previously noted is not exactly what I'd use for alpine skiing. Given the fact they are compromises, and you can not ignore that, I think the Duke/Baron are quite reliable and perform well enough for virtually all of us.


I have heard surprisingly rave reviews from seriously good skiers about the new (2013) Duke. Including one person who arguably might have a different brand loyalty in this conversation. The claim is the stack height does not feel as high as it is and the binding is virtually indistinguishable from top tier alpine bindings in force transmission to the ski. This was an interesting surprise to hear - especially from someone who is very at home hitting some serious lines and decently big air. But I have not skied it - so take it as better than average 2nd hand.... 


Tracker/Guardian  - comments I have heard have been similar to what Marshall said. Maybe a bit more enthusiastic - but mostly that it seems a really solid incremental evolution. As far as it being "new" - I think Salomon was motivated to pound the heck out of the design before letting it loose. I'm pretty comfortable with getting a set.


Have heard less about the Tyrolias - but it is not clear to me how long they have been in the field for pounding on.

post #24 of 26
Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

Somebody has new Dukes on TGR for $300.



Not that I would recommend these for you, but this is a smoking deal on some big boy skis?


I worked on Marker product pages today  and have the info for the new Duke EPF binding.




post #25 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all of the tips guys. I will probably wait a while for the Gaurdians/Dukes/Adrenalines to hit the stores before I decide which to buy. I will also wait for some more reviews from this site. I really appreciate the feedback and if any of you sell bindings it would be nice to get them from someone affiliated with epic ski once you get the 2013's in.

post #26 of 26

I like to tour and have had good luck with the Marker Barons. They also ski real well in resort conditions.


I do like the looks of the new Salomon AT Binding and after their Quest Tech adapter disaster, I'm sure they vetted the new binding properly.


A nice boot to add to the mix would be the Lange XT 130


Here you have Mike going up and down!




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