Gilbert runs into newfydog, loses

Roid rage
 

Sorry, the dog should have been on a leash.  He could have been killed.  

Well I actually agree with Gilbert. I would be "a bit" pissed too, if some idiot, who obviously doesn't know how to take care of his dog (still wondering why the hell you bring it with you then, if you can't control it), would make me crash. And crash like this could cost these guys a bit more then just a bruise or two. In worse case, his TdF would be over 2 days before end of it, Olympics, and let's face it, Gilbert has a chance there, could be just a dream maybe happening in 4 years, but not in 2 weeks, and so on.

So yes, I don't blame him for losing it.

I guess your dog wouldn't make a very good service animal eh?

I think a "dog leg" in bike races where menacing beasts hassle riders would make the sport far more exciting and interesting.  You may have started something very good here.

But, seeing as that isn't in the current course description I'd say the dog owner is at fault and liable for any damages.  Just one of the costs of being a responsible pet owner.  In spite of the dude being furious, I'd say a sincere apology would be owed to the victim of the loose dog mischief.  But, yelling at a little kid is also something that warrants a sincere apology... so you're probably all square

I hope the dog's owner at least received some sort of charge and a serious fine.  Crap like that puts rider's lives at risk.
 

The dog didn't even have a proper collar with a leash attached.  The owner had it on a lame leash with a slip-noose, which has no security whatsoever.  If such a situation occurred in the U.S.A., and somebody was injured, the negligence lawsuits would be flying.

Gilbert was just letting off steam because he was put down for several minutes by the dog and sustained injuries as a result of the owner's negligence.  What would need to happen for the negligence to become more obvious... somebody sustaining a career ending injury or being killed in the crash?

I really don't blame the guy for being angry, and his body language is consistent with his physical circumstances. Physical trauma paired with emotional stresses tend to cause the secretion of hormones that are not easily governed by social propriety. Judging the guy as being a jerk for being angry is silly, he's a human (a biochemical organism) under very real stresses. In such situations anger is a natural defense mechanism, unreasoning perhaps, but the chemical state brought about by an excited physical state (athletic competition), in combination with pain stimulus, and the feeling of being powerless to find an escape from the emotional distress, overrides the mind's ability to reason. It takes a full 90 minutes to deescalate from such a biochemcally induced emotional state.

The little girl is as much a victim of her parents negligence, as she is afraid of Gilbert's anger. 

I don't share your outrage, I guess I'm just more accepting than are you.

If you let your newfy run out of control and it causes me injury you can expect my wrath, and though you are copping all high holy on the subject, I expect you'd respond much the same in similar circumstances. Your outrage on this subject is evidence enough to me that civility would quickly depart under significant stress. If you witnessed this event in person, would your outrage not have lead you to confronting Gilbert with anger, even as the photo prompted you to start this thread? Different stressors, but the chemical reaction is the same.

Ok.  Let's get it straight.  Did he "go after" the little girl?  the dog? the parent?  Or was he just posturing?  What do you think he would have done without restraint.  Me, I don't know what happened, so I'm not assuming an assault was attempted. 

I would be pissed off.  I don't think I would have assaulted anyone, but assaulting the dog would occur to me as a natural reaction, but not if the dog wasn't being aggressive.

Well it obviously doesn't look all that bad or? Should he be given few years ban for "attacking" spectators? Did he really do something so bad in that second, he was in 3m distance from that idiot who can't handle his dog? I would say, someone in this thread is exaggerating things a bit ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22LzG-RtJYs

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Anger sure, not attempted assault.

 

Say some guy sees a hot babe, with a 9 year old daughter, and his chemicals suggest he'd like to fondle something.  The urge is normal.  Going after it, needing to be physically restrained, scaring the crap out of the little girl is not.

The only restraint was the guy who lightly held his arm, the video shows that he wasn't held back against attempts to break free, but rather was slowing his stride well before reaching where the family was standing. He only seems to have wanted to give the guilty dog owner a piece of his mind. I think you are projecting something onto the situation that didn't exist.

I see nothing wrong. Gilbert was just reiterating to some dumbfuck's, that they are in fact dumbfuck's. In the event they may have forgotten.

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His answer was to traumatize a little girl, who of course, protected her wonderful dog.  He would have lost that one too, but was saved by his manager:

 

 

 

 

 

Mom is def checking out this guys package. Dad is making a lame attempt to hide his, umm, inadequacy by pulling the dog up to cover his crotch. The kid thinks the guy is a freak. 

Are all bicycle racing dudes asshats or just the ones picking fights with little girls?

Just curious.

Fact: if it was some dumb Poodle, Newfydog wouldn't even give a shit
 

About ten days ago I was riding my bike to work and saw a spectacular biker-doggie wreck on a beautiful, busy morning on Northern Virginia's W&OD multi-use trail.  Fortunately, I don't believe any life threatening injuries occurred to man or beast.  The W&OD asphalt bike trail has a line down the middle.  A guy passed me on a slight downhill moving fairly fast in the Eastbound direction and then about 40 yards in front of me came upon a lady walking two dogs in the Westbound lane and another lady walking one dog in the same direction as us.  He rightfully steered between the two dog walkers, but just then the single dog darted across the trail to sniff the pair of dogs on the other side.  The biker nailed the dog and got caught up in its leash.  

Pandemonium.  The dog barrel rolled off the trail and ran howling past me into the brush.  The biker and his bike did a complete flip in the air and landed in the middle of the trail.  I was the first rider to arrive on the scene.  Somewhat similar to the Gilbert scenario in this thread, the guy was screaming mad and made loud guttural noises as he laid on the ground.  I took that to be a positive since it meant he was alive and conscious.  After a few minutes I helped him up on his feet.  He was in a bit of shock and trembling.  Said his shoulder had momentarily dislocated, but popped back in.  He was holding his wrist and it might have been sprained.  He had a lot of abrasions on legs, arm, and face.  The dog was caught and returned to embarrassed owner.  She apologized profusely.  The biker calmed down and got more civil.  I picked up his bike and laid it out of the way.  It was light as a feather and seemed to be in one piece.  He refused further help and I went on my way.  I wasn't sure he was fit to ride, but other folks were still talking to him when I left.  I rode with an especially cautious, defensive attitude the rest of the way to work that day. 

This collision occurred only about two miles from a fatal biker-pedestrian crash a couple months ago on the same trail when a biker called out "passing" to an older lady walking in his same direction.  Instead of staying where she was, she got startled, stepped into the middle of the trail and turned to look at the biker.  He nailed her head-on.  It was ruled as a no-fault accident.  The biker was ok. 

That's why I don't ride multi-use paths.  Too much pandemonium and it isn't safe to ride (IMHO) nor to cause confrontations with the other users.

Mike

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This collision occurred only about two miles from a fatal biker-pedestrian crash a couple months ago on the same trail when a biker called out "passing" to an older lady walking in his same direction.  Instead of staying where she was, she got startled, stepped into the middle of the trail and turned to look at the biker.  He nailed her head-on.  It was ruled as a no-fault accident.  The biker was ok. 

Was that on the W&OD or on Four Mile Run trail (on the other side of the creek?)   

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Was that on the W&OD or on Four Mile Run trail (on the other side of the creek?)   

 Apparently it was on Four Mile Run trail in an area where it closely parallels the W&OD and within 50 or 100 yards of the Columbia Pike crossing in Arlington, VA.  Here is short newspaper account:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/woman-80-killed-in-arlington-after-collision-with-bicyclist/2012/06/12/gJQA5FGaXV_blog.html

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Originally Posted by Jamesj 

 Apparently it was on Four Mile Run trail in an area where it closely parallels the W&OD and within 50 or 100 yards of the Columbia Pike crossing in Arlington, VA.  Here is short newspaper account:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/woman-80-killed-in-arlington-after-collision-with-bicyclist/2012/06/12/gJQA5FGaXV_blog.html

I've been on that side of the creek and it is not a nice MUP at all - everything that can obstruct a sight line is present, including overgrown greenery, up/down trail profile, left/right zigzagging, random unmarked side trail joinings.

I would support a move by Arlington to make that a hikers-only trail much like the ones in Rock Creek Park.