Who has the easiest demo Binding for flat skis?

Simplest in design? Adjustment? There is a cost for everything. 

I personally like the Griffon/Jester demo due to the fact that they are most like their retail counterpart so I can get a truer feel for the ski. Most of the other bindings sacrifice "feel" due to the disconnect and weight of all the demo hardware. 

Look/rossi are very easy.  Still vote for the marker

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Originally Posted by mrski00 

 I'm not sure that those are available for retail sales. Will they be this year?

Most any shop will order them for you. 

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Originally Posted by mrski00 

 I'm not sure that those are available for retail sales. Will they be this year?

May I suggest ordering from one of our fine sponsors like the shop Phil works at since he responded so elegantly?  I am sure if you send him a PM he can assist.....

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Originally Posted by mrski00 

 I'm not sure that those are available for retail sales. Will they be this year?

I second (third?) the Griffon demo suggestion after having gone through most all demo bindings out there so I can share one quiver or the other with my kids. Super light, and easy to adjust, although some (the Head Railflex come to mind), can be adjusted without a screwdriver in the amount of time you stand in a (short) liftline.

Any Marker shop can get them, but as Finn says, it's always good to patronize a local. I've bought them for the past two years at Fanatyko (Whistler) when I got my skis mounted.

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Thanks for all the great responses. I now ski the Look Pivot & if there is a Demo of that binding I'll use that. Not sure I'll be on new skis this season. I have the Blizzard 8.1 &"The One". Love both skis, especially The One. Have it mounted on the "Slider" but the binding is not adjustable. Are the Marker Griffon & Jester the Schizo models? They are not easy to adjust on the hill. I thought my idea of the toe with the worm drive was a good one, but no response, so maybe it wasn't such a good idea. OH well...

There is no demo version of the Pivot. Do not bother putting a Schizo on a Slider, it is redundantly redundant. The question I have now is what EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish? 

Now I'm confused as well. Do you want to be able to move fore/aft on the ski or adjust the binding for different BSL's?

Just wish they were all set up with zero ramp angle.

The demo Jesters and Griffon's are not Schitzo's, they're Jesters and Griffon's on a plate with a worm screw that allows you to move them back and forth independently, so you can either adjust for different bsl's, or move the entire boot forward or back on a ski if so desired. They require a phillips screwdriver to make them move forward / back on the plates that have numbers corresponding to bsl's.

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Originally Posted by snofun3 

The demo Jesters and Griffon's are not Schitzo's, they're Jesters and Griffon's on a plate with a worm screw that allows you to move them back and forth independently, so you can either adjust for different bsl's, or move the entire boot forward or back on a ski if so desired. They require a phillips screwdriver to make them move forward / back on the plates that have numbers corresponding to bsl's.

true! a posidriver is easier but true. Again, the marker would allow you to cheat them fore/aft as Snofun3 said. If you ski with a pack, just throw the posi in and your set to play

For all practical purposes, the schizos and demos are "the same" in terms of performance. The schizos are easier to change boot center because one screw moves heel and toe and keeps the forward pressure set correctly. But the schizos do not readily facilitate different boot sizes. The demos are more flexible, but take more fooling with - as they have a worm drive both heel and toe.

If all you want is to swap skis with friends who have roughly (say +/- two sizes) similar sized boots --- you can get a Marker jester or griffon with just the demo heel track which gives you a huge heel adjustment range. Good enough for quick swaps and less messing about than a heel and toe adjustment on the full demo while your fingers are freezing....

Your favorite Marker dealer should be able to provide any of these options.

yep! If I wanted that flexibility, I would grab a demo over the schizo everytime. Pretty sure it's lighter as well

You have Blizzard One's and Blizzard 8.1's...Both are IQ systems...just get the IQ MAX bindings, it is a Griffon with a simple center point adjustment, easy peazy.  

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Originally Posted by Finndog 

yep! If I wanted that flexibility, I would grab a demo over the schizo everytime. Pretty sure it's lighter as well

The Griffon demo's are stoopid light. On one pair of BMX108's I have the demo's, and when I got another pair for SLC duty, I got the Head Railflex adjustable installed - feels like they're twice as heavy.

I now have two pairs of uninstalled Griffon demo's scooped up at 50% off sales this spring waiting to be installed on...............(well, let's see what this winter brings, but I do have a set of unmounted BMX88's in SLC, and another pair of MX94's at WB waiting for something to be screwed on top of them, hmmmm, was going to sell, but, arrggg, let's see......)

You could be the biggest Gear whore here you know!    (I'm jealous)

I have an extra pair of Marker Griffon 13 DIN Demos if you are still looking. 

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Originally Posted by Philpug 

I have an extra pair of Marker Griffon 13 DIN Demos if you are still looking. 

I'll take em. PM me with details.

I need to preface this with the following: Marker makes my favorite demo binding I've found so far (Jester/Griffon Demo), and I get a lot of time on demo bindings during the year. I've never had a problem with Markers while skiing, but as I do tend to a fleet of 20+ pairs of these on demo skis during the year, we have a pretty large sample to work with and observe. 

The specific disadvantages you get with a demo binding outweigh the advantages. Even with Markers, which I love, you still have a heavier binding, twice the moving parts (twice the things that can break) and lower durability. I've had a forward pressure spring explode inside the heel housing, I've had tracks break and get gummed with dirt and sap... if I'm looking for durability and reliability, I'd just go for a stock binding - all of my personal pairs are non-demo, no question.

We get our fleet checked every year, and we usually pull one or two per year because they release improperly even when set correct. If you want to use demo's on your personal skis, it may be a good idea to have a shop test them to make sure everythings still good after a season or two of good use.