Bob Barnes wrote:
First of all, no matter you may think I and others mean by backpedaling, I assure you that it is not what you think. It is simply a description of a fundamental movement pattern that YOU, like other accomplished bump skiers, do when you ski bumps--nothing more, nothing less. CVJ is doing it throughout the video you posted. It is the absorption movements that he demonstrates--regardless of what you'd like to call it.
Bob, response is appreciated, although you failed to answer my first question which is very relevant to the discussion.
Bob, the concept of "back pedaling" is directly related to concept of "absorption", is it not?
Bob, what exactly are these "absorption movements" you see CVJ making? I see the movements needed to link short carved turns.
I think whenever you view retraction movements, which are intended to release the turn and retain/regain shovel edge contact, you are for some reason renaming them as "back pedaling" movements where the intention is to "absorb" terrain changes. I do not rename these movements, nor bulk them into a new category of "absorption movements".
We are not attempting to "absorb" anything, our intent is to turn into and "destroy" or ski "through" any terrain changes. This is "offensive" skiing, the total opposite of attempting to "absorb" terrain changes which I would characterize as "defensive" skiing.
The comparison of movement patterns is critical here. You seem to assume movement patterns that look similar are the same regardless of the timing of the movements, the phase of the turn the movements occur, or the intended purpose of the movements.
Apples and oranges are not the same, even though each is round.
You consider the movements in the sequences you posted of Chuck Martin and CVJ the same. You consider them both "back pedaling" or using "absorption movements" I suppose.
I don't see the movement patterns or the intentions of the movement patterns the same, nor are the results of the movements the same.
You can see the bases of one of the skiers skis while turning, which is representative of linking carved turns.
You never see the bases of the other skier, which is representative of a pivoted turn.
One of the skiers is using retraction movements to release the edges of a carved turn and regain/maintain shovel edge pressure.
One of the skiers is using "back pedaling" movements to "absorb" the terrain in front of them and is not engaging the shovel edges to initiate the next turn.
I believe your animated GIF is an example of your "back pedaling" concept that you seem to combine all movements into.
I believe the movement patterns and timing of most bump skiers do mimic the movements and timing of the animation.
The animation is out of sync with the movement patterns and timing we promote however.
Unlike your animated representation of "back pedaling" and "absorption, we are not near fully extended at the bottom of the trough, we are just starting extension actually.
We extend into the mogul or bump, depending which line is being skied, and then retract at the finish of the turn or top of the mogul or bump. We don't "back pedal" to "absorb" anything.
Our knees may close due to compression, but certainly not due to any positive "back pedaling" movement.
This clashes with your representative animation and your "back pedaling" concept.
Here's my own crude attempt to properly represent the movements and timing we are making.
Notice how retraction happens instantly "after' the turn finish beyond the crest of the mogul as we travel down the backside of the mogul or bump.
You animation clearly shows the skier's intent to "absorb" the terrain change as flexion starts as soon as the skier starts traveling up the mogul or bump.
We are extending up the mogul until the turn finish.
These are 2 entirely different movement patterns which must consider timing and phase.