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post #181 of 191
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Originally Posted by Jamt View Post
 

What is the reason for all the short sticks? Where they in place to create regularly spaced skier-made bumps or something?

 

I believe that's one way to seed bumps as it forces turns around the stubbies. 


Edited by Metaphor_ - 12/2/13 at 2:36pm
post #182 of 191
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Originally Posted by CrudBuster View Post
 

Watch Fellows ski bumps after the dolphin turn drill (btw -the title says "tactics" and he clearly says "a way to practice, not a technique).The drill is the task to execute a performance, not the performance.   His skis aren't leaving the ground and there isn't a heavy edge set from the trough turning him (if that's what you mean).  He creates pressure and tips while fairly unweighted early at the top of the bump and begins to extend down the back and then flexes again.  If he is going very fast and there is a huge gaper-trough coming at him I bet he will use his tail to get a little more out of his unweighting like a dolphin turn.

 

Let me ask you this?  Which is more functional all-around skiing, "The short-poled bumper dudes or the way Chris Fellows skis?" 

 

Crud, whatever Fellows says, in the video he shows how to do the dolphin turn, then talks about when and why to use it. The first has to do with technique, the second tactics. I don't want to get into more of a semantics battle over this - that's how I see it.

 

I can't (yet) do dolphin turns on flat snow, but I have been essentially using that mental image to try and deal with bumps in the little skiing I've done so far this season, i.e., try to ski the bumps as if they were made of eggshells, following their contour in 3D space, but very lightly, if at all. I said I'm trying to do that - that is my intent. No way I can do it anything like Fellows, or Josh, who I recall posted a vid sometime back of himself nimbly doing dolphins all the way down a flat groomer. I think it will behoove me to just keep doing what I'm doing, but also try to learn the technique. When I can do dolphins on a flat slope then I'm sure my skiing will be even better when I "take em to the bumps".

 

As to your last question, forgive me if I'm being a little too Pollyanna, but why does it have to be either/or, elevating one above the other? I admire and think there's a place for both approaches, and would like to have both in my skill set. I love seeing 3D skiing a la dolphin turns, but don't understand why check/rebound is so disparaged when it clearly can be used effectively in many skiing contexts.


Edited by jc-ski - 12/2/13 at 5:33pm
post #183 of 191
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Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post
 

 

Crud, whatever Fellows says, in the video he shows how to do the dolphin turn, then talks about when and why to use it. The first has to do with technique, the second tactics. I don't want to get into more of a semantics battle over this - that's how I see it.

 

I can't (yet) do dolphin turns on flat snow, but I have been essentially using that mental image to try and deal with bumps in the little skiing I've done so far this season, i.e., try to ski the bumps as if they were made of eggshells, following their contour in 3D space, but very lightly, if at all. I said I'm trying to do that - that is my intent. No way I can do it anything like Fellows, or Josh, who I recall posted a vid sometime back of himself nimbly doing dolphins all the way down a flat groomer. I think it will behoove me to just keep doing what I'm doing, but also try to learn the technique. When I can do dolphins on a flat slope then I'm sure my skiing will be even better when I "take em to the bumps".

 

As to your last question, forgive me if I'm being a little too Pollyanna, but why does it have to be either/or, elevating one above the other? I admire and think there's a place for both approaches, and would like to have both in my skill set. I love seeing 3D skiing a la dolphin turns, but don't understand why check/rebound is so disparaged when it clearly can be used effectively in many skiing contexts.


Yeah, screw the semantics. 

 

As far as the part in red - As long as you are having fun and are safe, go for it!  When I learned to ski bumps I was chasing locals around on 208's - no turns, just launch one bump, land, launch two bumps, land, launch three bumps and land (mind you very back seat, quads burning, semi out of control).  Eventually I learned to turn.  Guess how?  Yep, a sliding pivot to the trough - slam, do it again.   haha  Dolphin turns will NOT hurt you're skiing, but they may help you keep skiing longer.

 

As far as the part in blue - That actually was my point.  Do what you like and do it well.  For me, I want to do it all.  Could I keep up with a WC bumper?  Heck no!  But I could hit the airs, land and keep turning.  Could I hang with Ligety?  HA!  But I can Platinum in NASTAR at times.  Can I send it like Sage?  Nope.  But I've skied in AK a few times.  You're on the right track.

post #184 of 191

Thx for sharing the inspiration - it really is all good!  Thumbs Up

post #185 of 191

No worries!  Rip it up!

post #186 of 191
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Originally Posted by CrudBuster View Post
 


The dolphin turn is a drill that allows you to incorporate these movements into technique, not a "technique".  I wasn't saying that your skis always need to leave the ground, but unlike you I'm not waiting for the troughs to get action out of my ski in bumps, it's too late.  Try to create pressure with a ski and unweight it at the same time.  You can't. It's like jumping off the ground in your shoes.  To go up you need resistance to move from.  At the trough you better have already started this unweighting.

 

Dont quite understand this. I deffinetly work the troughs, trying to get as much natural rebound out of my bent skis and extended legs. Then I flex unweighted over the bumps. Extend on the back side to work the trough again.

post #187 of 191
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Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post
 

 

Crud, whatever Fellows says, in the video he shows how to do the dolphin turn, then talks about when and why to use it. The first has to do with technique, the second tactics. I don't want to get into more of a semantics battle over this - that's how I see it.

 

I can't (yet) do dolphin turns on flat snow, but I have been essentially using that mental image to try and deal with bumps in the little skiing I've done so far this season, i.e., try to ski the bumps as if they were made of eggshells, following their contour in 3D space, but very lightly, if at all. I said I'm trying to do that - that is my intent. No way I can do it anything like Fellows, or Josh, who I recall posted a vid sometime back of himself nimbly doing dolphins all the way down a flat groomer. I think it will behoove me to just keep doing what I'm doing, but also try to learn the technique. When I can do dolphins on a flat slope then I'm sure my skiing will be even better when I "take em to the bumps".

 

As to your last question, forgive me if I'm being a little too Pollyanna, but why does it have to be either/or, elevating one above the other? I admire and think there's a place for both approaches, and would like to have both in my skill set. I love seeing 3D skiing a la dolphin turns, but don't understand why check/rebound is so disparaged when it clearly can be used effectively in many skiing contexts.

 

I agree with you on everything here. I also dont want to get into a semantics battle. IMO the Dolphin Turn is a technique of its own even though it might be aimed at skiing bumps easier. And it sure is helpful. That said, I also think the check/rebound technique is great. I use it all the time. As Glen demonstrates, small well timed movements can give big outcome. Thanks for that video. Not sure if I can do it but I will give it a try next time Im out on the hill.

 

Josh, once you know how to do a DT it might be a walk in the park. But from my experiance its quite difficult. As you said, the trick is to work your for aft balance. Very few students Ive showed it to could actually pull it off. Stiff boots doesent help eather.

 

Also, Ive skied with WC bump skiers and WC racers. These guys can ski anywhere. Any condition. Any speed. Not always the way I would but never the less every terrain can be skied with different techniques.

post #188 of 191
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
 

 

I agree with you on everything here. I also dont want to get into a semantics battle. IMO the Dolphin Turn is a technique of its own even though it might be aimed at skiing bumps easier. And it sure is helpful. That said, I also think the check/rebound technique is great. I use it all the time. As Glen demonstrates, small well timed movements can give big outcome. Thanks for that video. Not sure if I can do it but I will give it a try next time Im out on the hill.

 

Josh, once you know how to do a DT it might be a walk in the park. But from my experiance its quite difficult. As you said, the trick is to work your for aft balance. Very few students Ive showed it to could actually pull it off. Stiff boots doesent help eather.

 

Also, Ive skied with WC bump skiers and WC racers. These guys can ski anywhere. Any condition. Any speed. Not always the way I would but never the less every terrain can be skied with different techniques.

 

 

I do not teach dolphins to normal customers they are something I reserve for repeat customers at the advance to expert level. whether is other instructors I am helping out, or just multi time private client there is no way I would even give them the concept to one time customer because it would do more harm than good.  

 

I have now successfully taught this to lots of people though from 9 years old to 60 ish.  it is very easy to get kids willing to do it because to them it looks like park thing at first.  I had kid in weekend program who not only learn this and does it well in the bumps now but can dolphin ollies 360 something I never even tried till he started trying to coach it back to me.

post #189 of 191
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

I do not teach dolphins to normal customers they are something I reserve for repeat customers at the advance to expert level. whether is other instructors I am helping out, or just multi time private client there is no way I would even give them the concept to one time customer because it would do more harm than good. 

 

I have now successfully taught this to lots of people though from 9 years old to 60 ish.  it is very easy to get kids willing to do it because to them it looks like park thing at first.  I had kid in weekend program who not only learn this and does it well in the bumps now but can dolphin ollies 360 something I never even tried till he started trying to coach it back to me.

 

Yes, its a drill for experts. But as you say, since trick skiing is back in fascion kids love this kind of stuff. And hey, they are the new experts :).

post #190 of 191
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
 

 

Dont quite understand this. I deffinetly work the troughs, trying to get as much natural rebound out of my bent skis and extended legs. Then I flex unweighted over the bumps. Extend on the back side to work the trough again.


You got it.  I was just saying that you better not wait until the trough before you get action out of the ski.  Many don't start flexing / unweighting until their skis hit the trough and that is too late.  The trough can help, but shouldn't be your main turning force. 

post #191 of 191

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

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