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diagnosis and AT boot punching (Scarpa Maestrale)

post #1 of 11
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I have new Scarpa Maestrale AT boots. Skiing in the resort I had no real pain problems (just one or two light days), but after first day of long touring got chronic pain at 5th metatarsal almost half way along foot. Boot seems wide enough at the forefoot but not wide enough at the mid point. Not sure if it might be the foot bed (I had the stock scarpa one in it) or if it's definitely too narrow at the mid point and needs punching.


Can anyone advise how to diagnose if I need to punch it or not, and what the method is for punching these boots (I guess I could try another foot bed, but not keen on bruising my feet like that on another long tour). I read on TGR forums it is possible to punch these boots, but they are a nylon or pebax shell, not PU (I think) and there are limited fitters in my area. I'd like to know what to tell them to do if they don't have experience with punching this boot.



post #2 of 11

without seeing your foot difficult to tell exactly if it does need to be stretched, first thing i would look at is how much space thee is in the shell at the area of pain (and opposing areas)  also how much pronation is there going on with the foot as a good footbed will stabilize any excessive movement and possibly negate the need for the stretch 


as for stretching pebax, yes it can be done, without too  much difficulty so long as the fitter has done a few before and is not using your boots as the test one....., you need to get the boot very very hot very very SLOWLY and then leave the boot on the press until it is completely cold, so be prepared to leave the boot with the fitter for a while (i normally like to leave pebax boots overnight on the press to cool naturally)


whereabouts are you, we may be able to recommend someone


good luck getting sorted

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

I'm in  Australia, can get to a fitter in Jindabyne or Cooma, or maybe Sydney


I'll check how much room there is without the liner, but don't think i suffer from pronation. I guess I could try without the footbed or with a different one

post #4 of 11
 but don't think i suffer from pronation


please don't think pronation is a disease it is a natural motion that you need to be able to walk, run and ski, excessive pronation is something we need to control but not eliminate and over 80% or people excessively pronate. even the slightest bit of spread of your foot could cause the pressure


i would try something like an off the shelf footbed superfeet, or similar to get an idea of how it changes the position of your foot in the shell, Superfeet offer a 60 day money back guarantee so you have't got a lot to loose other than your sore feet! 

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

sorry, I thought pronation meant rolling in or out rather than spread of the foot. My foot is quite elastic and does tend to spread out under pressure. I've checked the boot without the shells, and with my instep hard up against the inside, the outside of my foot is hard up against the outside, so it doesn't look to me like a footbed would make much difference if there's virtually no room for the liner as it stands?

post #6 of 11

pronation is in basic terms a rolling inwards of the ankle causing the arch to collapse, part of that motion is the abduction (external rotation) of the foot, there is also a level of spread of the foot involved, some of the spread could just be the foot spreading under load, some of it can be attributed to pronation, but as said right at the beginning, impossible to say exactly without your feet.


the fact that the foot is hard up against the shell would indicate that you are most likely going to need some stretching of the shell, a decent footbed should reduce the spread of the foot though and this brings the foot back to close to its non weight bearing size, so with the right support the stretching required will be minimized


do you surf as well as ski? we often see surfers who's feet spread loads from years of barefoot on the beach and on a surf board, it can make fitting a boot to the foot "interesting" as the foot likes the freedom but the boot wants to constrain it

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

yeah interesting, I do surf, but haven't surfed for as nearly as I've been doing stuff in the snow. Although I snowboarded for the last 15 years and have only just taken up skiing again. I've found a fitter who says they can punch these boots, and they stock those soles you referred to, so hopefully I can get a good result. Thanks for the advice.

post #8 of 11

no worries, good luck getting sorted

post #9 of 11

Do Surfers feet adapt and become as you describe because of surfing? Or does this particular foot variation lend it'self to surfing, thus we see many that "surf"? discuss. xx

post #10 of 11

good question Steve, maybe lots of time spent barefoot on the beach allowing/causing the foot to naturally spread out more, wish i had a definitive answer

post #11 of 11

Surely a particularly "tight" "Immobile" foot wouldn't spread? It's true to say that as we're based in a very cosmopolitan/international town, we see many "Surfers" those with a "mobile" joints, perhaps a dash of "Pacific Island" DNA, they all have typically broad, colasped feet, clearly and evolutionary benefit, when standing on a hard, wet, waxed Plank for pleasure. I believe that a "ridgid" one could nod towards a "supinated" foot, would have minimal contact on such a toy and thus reduce the success one may need to encourage that person to pursue Surfing, beyond a couple of trys and smashes into the bottom of the deep blue sea sea sea.

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