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Jr GS skis: how long can you go?

post #1 of 18
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I have just brought my 1997 born daughter 2011/12 atomic Race D2 GS Jr skis in a 176 aswell as 2010/11 Race SL 12 JR LTS in a 151 for next season. She is 5ft 3/160 cm tall and weights 103lbs/46kg. She is quite inexperienced and we were close to buying the 171 as this year she skiied on 165 last year, but we thought it would be best to have a big jump this year than next year (to 183 for fis). She is quite worried about these skis, do you think we made the right decision? 

post #2 of 18

Might as well go with 180s, because at this rate she'll have to be on 190s by the time shes a J1...

post #3 of 18

My daughter was also born in 1997, but I respectfully disagree with RTTT.

 

Your daughter is small and light for her age, and inexperienced. I think she should be on a ski she can handle this year, so that she can develop good skills, and have some success. Better to make the jump when you are more experienced and know how to bend a ski.  But the person you really should be asking is her coach, who knows how she skis (and on what kind of hills). Did her coach tell you that her 165's were too short for her. and that she needed to go longer?

 

You imply she will be skiing FIS races. The current plan for FIS rule changes is that all women will have to be on 188cm skis in 2013/2014, with a 30m radius. But who knows if that will actually happen. Since you are buying a pair of skis to last just one year, you can take a wait and see attitude on future rule changes.

 

Richr

post #4 of 18

What Richr said.  I also have a 1997-born daughter, but mine is 5'8", 135-140 pounds, and also plays water polo and swims.  Last season was her first racing, after four or five seasons on telemark team (the last two of which included big mountain comps), so I was conservative -- 155cm SLs and 175cm GSes.  She may jump 5cm in both this season.

 

For comparison, one of my 2000-born sons has similar specs to your 1997-born daughter -- 5'3", 100 pounds.  Last season was his second racing competitively, seventh on a team, 300+ lifetime days on snow.  He skied 145cm SLs and 161cm GS.

post #5 of 18

Starting this season, the minimum age for FIS racing is 16, so it is too soon to worry about those regulations. Depending on your region, a 1997 will be either in scored USSA or non-scored council races. Based on her coaches recommendations, go with the size that will work best for this season and worry about next year then.

post #6 of 18
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What Richr said.  I also have a 1997-born daughter, but mine is 5'8", 135-140 pounds, and also plays water polo and swims.  Last season was her first racing, after four or five seasons on telemark team (the last two of which included big mountain comps), so I was conservative -- 155cm SLs and 175cm GSes.  She may jump 5cm in both this season.

 

For comparison, one of my 2000-born sons has similar specs to your 1997-born daughter -- 5'3", 100 pounds.  Last season was his second racing competitively, seventh on a team, 300+ lifetime days on snow.  He skied 145cm SLs and 161cm GS.

 

 

As I'm scratching my head about next season for my daughter. Hard to choose as her numbers are off the spec. Last two season (she started racing at 12, two years ago) she was on a 140cm SL Combi ski and 155cm GS. That is short compared to her competition, but she is small for her age. 

 

Born in late 1997, she's maybe 4'11" and 70lbs this Spring. She was shorter and lighter 2 years ago. She's the one in pink. Thinking 5cm more in Slalom and maybe 5-10cm in GS for next season.

 

http://madpatski.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/cascades-qc-january-28-2012-skiing-on-broken-dishes/

 

http://madpatski.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/mont-ste-marie-qc-january-29-2012-powder-gs/

 

Those were the last 2 races before she broke her leg. :(  Now in July, she's almost done physio.

 

Also looking for some all-mountain skis for her (155?), but it is so hard considering her weight. She's an excellent skier, she just came up to me and said she wanted to race. Started skiing at two, maybe 250 days lifetime?

 

Opinions and comments are welcomed. I find that many people in shops aren't sure as my girl isn't "normal". lol

post #7 of 18
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As I'm scratching my head about next season for my daughter. Hard to choose as her numbers are off the spec. Last two season (she started racing at 12, two years ago) she was on a 140cm SL Combi ski and 155cm GS. That is short compared to her competition, but she is small for her age. 

 

Born in late 1997, she's maybe 4'11" and 70lbs this Spring. She was shorter and lighter 2 years ago. She's the one in pink. Thinking 5cm more in Slalom and maybe 5-10cm in GS for next season.

 

http://madpatski.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/cascades-qc-january-28-2012-skiing-on-broken-dishes/

 

http://madpatski.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/mont-ste-marie-qc-january-29-2012-powder-gs/

 

Those were the last 2 races before she broke her leg. :(  Now in July, she's almost done physio.

 

Also looking for some all-mountain skis for her (155?), but it is so hard considering her weight. She's an excellent skier, she just came up to me and said she wanted to race. Started skiing at two, maybe 250 days lifetime?

 

Opinions and comments are welcomed. I find that many people in shops aren't sure as my girl isn't "normal". lol

My daughter is not as small as yours but compared to the other girls her age she is. If she was born a year or two earlier we would happily stick with the 144s, 165s and 175s but people have recommended that it may be easier to have a big jump this year than next. I am just worried that she wont be able to bend the longer ski. 

post #8 of 18
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An idea of what she skis like

 

GS in march

 

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SL in march

Her results have improved quite a bit since then.

post #9 of 18
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What Richr said.  I also have a 1997-born daughter, but mine is 5'8", 135-140 pounds, and also plays water polo and swims.  Last season was her first racing, after four or five seasons on telemark team (the last two of which included big mountain comps), so I was conservative -- 155cm SLs and 175cm GSes.  She may jump 5cm in both this season.

 

For comparison, one of my 2000-born sons has similar specs to your 1997-born daughter -- 5'3", 100 pounds.  Last season was his second racing competitively, seventh on a team, 300+ lifetime days on snow.  He skied 145cm SLs and 161cm GS.

If my daughter was a few years younger i would happily stick with the lengths she is on now (SL144, GS165, SG175) but if she wants to do FIS next year then her coches have suggested that it would be easier to have a bigger jump in length this year. We are british so she can only ski when at ski camps in europe and last year she did her first races and about three weeks training. Including family holidays shes probably had about 110 skis days in her lifetime, only about 25 of these proper race training (only about 7days in gs gates.) She races at national level on snow, qualified for british champs ect, but this is much lower standard than in the usa. The plan to do around 10 weeks next season on snow.

post #10 of 18
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Also looking for some all-mountain skis for her (155?), but it is so hard considering her weight. She's an excellent skier, she just came up to me and said she wanted to race. Started skiing at two, maybe 250 days lifetime?

 

http://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/volkl-gotama-jr-youth-2011.aspx

 

/drift

post #11 of 18

Wait, did you guys think I was actually serious? ahahahahaharoflmao.gif

post #12 of 18

Hi my son is 13 

5'2" 158 cm

 

is doing

And he is doing g/s and slalom skiing he is K1 and he needs new skis any suggestions for ski sizes 

post #13 of 18

Hi my son is 13 

5'2" 158 cm

 

is doing

And he is doing g/s and slalom skiing he is K1 and he needs new skis any suggestions for ski sizes 

post #14 of 18

What does he weigh?

post #15 of 18

Last  year my son was 13 and was on 145 SL skis. Similar height as your son. No GS's, but a 165ish would have been good. At 14 this year, he grew a lot, 5'6", and weighs 150. I have him on 155 SL and 175 GS's race stock skis. He is on women race stocks that are stiff, but not as stiff as the next size up which are mens. I would go with 145 SL and 165 GS if needed. These are Junior skis.

post #16 of 18

He weighs 100 lbs and thx for the help #bttocs

post #17 of 18

My 60#, 4'7", 9 year old son on his 175cm, 27m SG skis last spring. 

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBCWPGypx8I&feature=share&list=UUFub2wsny-4wlgASwsCvlsA

 

I wouldn't recommend them for everybody, or for that matter, many, but if they can, they should.  

 

Specifically I've had him skiing on them, so he can focus on really getting forward at the beginning of the turn to bring them around, rather than just relying on rolling them over and letting the sidecut do the rest.  

 

I don't agree in any way with the FIS retrograde restriction on radii, but I don't mind using the specs to help develop his basic skiing fundamentals and foundation.  And if god forbid the FIS still has their heads up their butts by the time he's 16, at least he'll be used to it...


Edited by JimGrossman - 12/9/12 at 6:30pm
post #18 of 18

Obviously the embedded vid is not my kid on SG skis.  I can't figure out how to embed to the video I want, it just starts at the beginning of my uploaded videos list.  Any way it's the 7th video in the playlist and/or just click the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBCWPGypx8I&feature=share&list=UUFub2wsny-4wlgASwsCvlsA  Jim

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