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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Being a lifelong baseball fan, and a huge supporter of my hometown team...the Oakland A's, I wonder if anyone else has any issues with how baseball is "run" by its small consortium of just what, 30 owners?

Why is baseball exempt from the restrictions other professional sports teams...football, basketball, hockey...seem to bear without difficulty?

Salary caps? Not in baseball! The team/owners with the deepest pockets (much of that depth created by the broadcast revenue "non-sharing") can always outspend the teams with less revenue to draw upon.

The NFL for example, shares the total broadcast revenue amongst all the teams. Not baseball.

Baseball is supposed to be the great American pastime, but for some reason it has been able to escape much of the regulation of other professional sports orginizations.

I guess I should be saying, "Good for those owners of baseball teams! They have been able to keep any other entity from telling them how to run their business...baseball."

These owners are happy as long as they are making the money they want to make, after all, no one should be able to tell them how to run their business!

If the baseball owners (read, board of directors) decide they need to contract from 30 to 28 teams, 'cause there just is not enough revenue being generated with these 2 teams, and the remaining teams are going to benefit from this contraction then...boom, it will be so!

Can you say monopoly? We've always known the baseball owners had their own little thing going, but the public never really complained, cause we really did not care, it did not affect us...we got to root for our favorite team, and the team generated revenue for the city which housed it...win-win, right? HA!

With few exceptions (PacBell park which was privately funded, being one of them) who do you think pays for the baseball teams to be in their cities...the tax payers! As tax paying citizens footing the cost of the stadium in which these teams play, these owners should be subject to some sort of oversight (other than casting a vote by not attending games).

When monopolies exist, the sometimes irrestible opportunity to ride the greed train never ends! That small group of owners not only decide which team will play where (Do you think a team can move without the approval of these owners...no way!) they also in essence, decide which players will play where. Back to the broadcast revenue non-sharing thing.

Hmmm, why do other professional sports have salary caps and not baseball?!? Small budget teams, (read A's) basically become "farm teams" for the deep pocket teams, (read Yankee's) who btw, outspend the A's by something like 98 million on their players. No one is going to rock the boat though, 'cause all those owners are still getting rich.

I guess it's a win-win for the players and the owners (and the broadcasters as well), as they all end up getting rich, it's the tax payers and fans who lose. We are cheated out of the sport of baseball.

Gosh, let 'em vote Pete Rose into the hall of fame while they're at it! He was just doing a little betting on the side...no big deal! :


Okay, sorry for the long rant...but I love the sport of baseball, and I hate the business of baseball! I am destined for sadness I know, but can I go down swinging?
post #2 of 24
Look! I know that the loss of Giambi to the dreaded Yanks is taking it's toll but you still have his kid brother.

I quit even watching BB during the heyday of Billy Martin and Steinbrener and only returned when Yogi did. Got to be there for both of the perfect games too!

On the issues, I fully agree and there is fast approaching the day when I quit forking out $35 bucks for a weekday ticket and taxpayers should never foot the
bill .......... welfare for the wealthy, both the players and the owners. :
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
I am not a Yankee hater, actually to the contrary. I just LOVE Mr. Jeter!

It's not so much losing Giambi for what, just 17 or 18 million a year (over 7 years) to the Yankee's. I mean I can totally understand where he is coming from! The A's were ONLY offering what, close to 16 million a year?!? Those cheap b@stards! :

Billy Beane is sly like a fox with the wheeling and dealing he is sure to be doing this week in Boston!

The A's will do what they always do...sign some veterans from other teams, and bring up some hot young talent from AAA! I fully expect to see them as contenders again in 2002!

Part of being a lifelong A's fan is getting used to seeing our superstars leave us.
Reggie Jackson, Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire (just to name a few).

The Athletic's rely on their talent scouts to find the hot young prospects, and bring these kids up through the minor leagues, and once they come into their own, the Yankee's (or other BIG spenders) buy them from the A's. Kind of like horse trading, and the A's have the best young stallions...HA!

Hey, how come we are not hearing anything about Mr. "Home Run King", Barry Bonds?!? :


Oh, here is a link to an interesting article re: the baseball monopoly/anti-trust issue.
http://athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/oak/news/oak_news_story.j sp?article_id=oak_20011210_hearings_news&team_id=o ak

MLB - Proud farm team sponser for the New York Yankees. :

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 11, 2001 10:16 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Serenity ]</font>
post #4 of 24
Baseball should take a page out of the NFL's book - they are easily the most succesful league. Look at what their revenue sharing and salary caps have done - league wide parity and profitabilty (in most cases). Baseball's problem is that the big market owners don't want to share their tv contracts and the players union doesn't want a salary cap. As is apparant by the recent financial disclosures released by the league, this is to everyone's detriment.

Giambi...man I thought he had character. He had (still does for the time being) a chance to stay with A's for good money but instead it looks like he's jumping ship to the evil empire for $2M a year more. Another blow to the small market teams. With that young pitching staff the A's can still become the Atlanta Braves of the this decade. Of course, if they were smart they would trade Zito and Mulder to the Sox for Carl Everett straight up.
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
Zito and Mulder...two young, talented, uninjured pitchers who are signed, sealed, and delivered for many years to come! Tim Hudson, the veteran pitcher (at 26) ain't so bad either!

I give all those power hitters credit where credit is due! They can certainly be exciting to watch, as putting one outta the ballpark is always a treat, but...it's all in the pitching! [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 11, 2001 10:06 AM: Message edited 2 times, by Serenity ]</font>
post #6 of 24
Baseball is in flux and the changes may be disturbing, such as loss of teams, teams moving, salary cap imposition...etc. There is one constant however...THE RED SOX WILL NEVER WIN THE SERIES.
post #7 of 24
"oakland in 4."
post #8 of 24
OK...so I was wrong about Oakland...I'm not sure that I said 4 though.

But here we're talking about the Curse of the Bambino. Serious mojo. The Sox are forever destined to be also rans.
post #9 of 24
I know, I know, Blo; just callin' ya out a little. (You stepped up now I'll stop going there.) Yankees - dammit - just keep getting better. Grrrrrrrrrrr.
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
rul -

You did say "oakland in 4", but don't feel bad..you're a believer!

The Sox forever destined to be also rans?!? Only if there is money in it for the owners! :
post #11 of 24
Bill Buckner GrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrAAAAAAAAAaaaaa aghhhh!!!!!
post #12 of 24
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ryan:
Bill Buckner GrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrAAAAAAAAAaaaaa aghhhh!!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Cut Billy Buck a little slack. If I recall correctly, there was a game after that which the Sox managed to lose w/o Buckner's error.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 11, 2001 03:50 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Herman ]</font>
post #13 of 24
it was a fit. i'm over it.
i always liked billy bucks. rookie of the year with the dodgers, i believe. he helped the cubs out. and had some big hits for the sox. mostly, i feel for the guy and hope he's put it behind him, into right-field, mets win....
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
Wowie! The Yankee's announced that they had signed Giambi for 120 million bucks over the next seven years. :

No one should be surprised...unlimited bank accounts can get you just about anything you want in life! The Yankee's are pushing what, 150 million a year in salary payouts?

Steinbrenner should be proud, with Giambi he may have just bought himself another World Series! After all, if you're spending that kind of money you better bring home the prize!

Like I've said before..."Major League Baseball - proud farm team sponsers of the New York Yankees".

No matter, I'll still be there in Arizona for Spring training, supporting the team I'll always support! (Well, as long as they don't lose their minds and sign Bonds...I could not stomach that)! :

Let's go Oakland!
post #15 of 24
ot is true.. they should eleimate 2 teams...Mets and Yankees. Baseball will be better.
post #16 of 24
Hey Ryan, check it out...The Moment Immortalized
post #17 of 24
ryou're kidding, right? you think i'm actually going to look at that AGAIN?!?! what're you on, homes?
post #18 of 24
Okay so i looked. $100, huh? yeah, well, i just ordered nine of 'em it looks so cool. THANKS. good to see bb's makin' a few bucks off it. bring on giambi!!!!!!
post #19 of 24
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Serenity:


Steinbrenner should be proud, with Giambi he may have just bought himself another World Series! After all, if you're spending that kind of money you better bring home the prize!


No matter, I'll still be there in Arizona for Spring training, supporting the team I'll always support! (Well, as long as they don't lose their minds and sign Bonds...I could not stomach that)! :

Let's go Oakland![/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Serenity -

I would take Bonds over Giambi. Bonds might be 9 years older but he is in much better shape. I bet he plays way more games the next couple years than Giambi & hits way more home runs.
post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 
Rio -

With Bonds, I do not disagree that he has shown himself to be very disciplined (when it comes to baseball), which has certainly helped further his career. It cannot hurt that he comes from good stock, Bobby Bond's was a great player!

IMHO, there is SO much more to being part of a team than just showing up, and doing your job. There is something to be said for the ability to endear yourself to the fans (and the other players as well)!

Giambi, I have no doubt, will see the need for more discipline in his training sooner rather than later, however; his track record to date has shown that his combination of skill (regardless of his relative lack of discipline) AND his engaging, dynamic personality has certainly paid off for him...to the tune of 120 million!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 17, 2001 01:20 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Serenity ]</font>
post #21 of 24
I ain't goin' into Bonds v. Giambi (I was a big fan of the elder Bonds, by the way, when I was a kid) but I'll say Giambi's the Real Deal. The guy's gonna be HUGE for the Yankees, I mean just HUGE. As for his conditioning, there's no telling. That usually requires another player providing the player in question with a testimonial, in this case, the benefits of getting and staying in shape. (Giambi runs VERY well for a guy his size, by the way.) I'm not so sure he's so outta shape. He's a big man and can support a lot of weight. Big thing: he's a gamer. He's not gonna slack. Giambi picked up a lot of great help - re the game, the body, the head - from McGwire when McGwire was finishing up in Oakland. It was McGwire who really helped push him to the next level. (They hit the weights together.) Anyway, blah blah blah. The Yanks got a deal with this guy. He'll hit .320, drop 40 bombs, drive in 140. Folks, it's gonna be scary.
I wouldn't trade Nomar for ANYone but 2002's gonna be about who comes in second in the AL East.

best player in baseball? this guy here.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 17, 2001 01:53 PM: Message edited 1 time, by ryan ]</font>
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
Ryan -

I agree with you about Giambi...he is a Gamer, and McGwire really helped him come into his own! I love Big Mac as well, another one of the team players!

The Yankee's better perform this season with the team they have bought! I have no doubt that if they find they are lacking anywhere, George will take out his wallet and buy what he needs to fill the hole! :

Which leads me back to my original rant...for the owners, it's not about the game, it's ALL about the money!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 17, 2001 03:17 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Serenity ]</font>
post #23 of 24
I think Giambi's going to meltdown with the Yanks. He already has that deer in the headlights look.
post #24 of 24
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rio:


Serenity -

I would take Bonds over Giambi. Bonds might be 9 years older but he is in much better shape. I bet he plays way more games the next couple years than Giambi & hits way more home runs.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would take that bet.
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