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Looking for Salomon Sentinel replacement (but slightly turnier)

post #1 of 10
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Hey EpicSkiers,

 

I am looking for some advice on a ski to replace my Salomon Sentinel 184.

I really love this ski (particularly its stiffness) but the time has come for it to replaced.

With the replacement, however, I would like to get something with a slightly smaller turning radius. The 184 Sentinel is at 21.1m, and I would like something more in the range of 16 to 19.

 

So.
I want something:
-As stiff as the Sentinel

-About 95 underfoot (as with the Sentinel)

-Turning Radius roughly between 16 and 19m.

 

 

My info shouldn't be that important because I am looking for what I have described and not worried about recommendations based on my vitals, but here they are anyway.

I'm 6 feet, 200 lbs, aggressive skier. Not really sure what else you might need, but feel free to ask.

 


Thanks in advance everyone!

Cheers.

Balthraka

post #2 of 10

Rossi E98 comes to mind. Even though it is a couple of mm wider, it is a turnier ski and still stiff. 

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Rossi E98 comes to mind. Even though it is a couple of mm wider, it is a turnier ski and still stiff. 

 

Thanks for the recommendation!

 

It looks like a nice ski, and the couple of extra mm doesn't bother me.

However, in 188, it has a 22m radius.

This is still not quite as small of a radius as I am looking for...

Obviously, radius is not the only factor in this though. Is the E98 known for being quite turny despite this number?

 

 

Thanks in advance.

Balthraka

 

P.S.

More recommendations welcomed!

:-)

post #4 of 10

^^^ IMO the turning radius is only weakly correlated to how turny a ski is. I have a pair of FX94's in 176 that have a 20 m radius (would be 22 m at 186) but turn on a dime, and I used to have a pair of Stockli SS in 178, 18 m radius, that turned on a football field. Obviously, a 13 m ski will turn differently than a 32 m ski, but within say 5 m, the flex, tip design, camber, all contribute more than the sidecut IMHO. (And I also don't think precise width is as important for float as flex and camber, so wouldn't reject a solid ski because it's a few mm wider or narrower.)


Some other skis that I see as substantial but turny in the 88-98 width range: Phil's suggestion of the E98, Stockli Stormrider 95, Volkl Mantra, Dynastar Sultan 94, Elan Apex. I note that all of these have some species of early rise, which will make the ski feel shorter and more turny on packed snow. 


Edited by beyond - 5/21/12 at 12:38pm
post #5 of 10

The E88 180 is string enough for your size and skis great. 

post #6 of 10

This past year I went in search of a ski that would deliver what I think you are describing. I demoed a number of top-rated and written about skis and finally landed on the Line Prophet 98. It's a fun ski that can handle speed in all conditions. It works well in all but the deepest of powder conditions and the iciest of hard snow.  I wanted something turnier than the Bonafides and Mantras, but that would charge pretty well too. I didn't enjoy taking the Bonafides or some the other highly rated skis into the bumps and tight spaces. The Prophets were simply more versatile. However, on the hardest of snow days, real bullet-proof, I still find myself going to my pure carve/race type skis. The Line Prophets in 98 or 90mm formats are excellent skis. You might give them a try.

post #7 of 10

I really like the E98 and the Prophet 100 as well. I felt the Prophet 100 was a little softer than the Sentinel and the E98. Have you checked out the Nordica Hell and Back. Also Blizzard Atlas or next Year’s Dynastar Cham 97.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

^^^ IMO the turning radius is only weakly correlated to how turny a ski is. I have a pair of FX94's in 176 that have a 20 m radius (would be 22 m at 186) but turn on a dime, and I used to have a pair of Stockli SS in 178, 18 m radius, that turned on a football field. Obviously, a 13 m ski will turn differently than a 32 m ski, but within say 5 m, the flex, tip design, camber, all contribute more than the sidecut IMHO. (And I also don't think precise width is as important for float as flex and camber, so wouldn't reject a solid ski because it's a few mm wider or narrower.)


Some other skis that I see as substantial but turny in the 88-98 width range: Phil's suggestion of the E98, Stockli Stormrider 95, Volkl Mantra, Dynastar Sultan 94, Elan Apex. I note that all of these have some species of early rise, which will make the ski feel shorter and more turny on packed snow. 

 

I agree with you about the turn radius.

(As I wrote in my above post.)

 

I was contemplating the Mantra as an option.

But from what I have heard it's about the same turny wise as the Sentinel.

I mean, I love the Sentinel, but yeah...

 

I will have a look at the others you suggest because I have not researched any of them before.

 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

The E88 180 is string enough for your size and skis great.

 

I don't like the idea of a ski shorter than me.

Until last year I was not a fan of long skis, but after skiing on 184s and 191s the last year and a bit, I absolutely love them!

Especially considering the rocker/early rise/reverse camber/whatever your company wants to call it.
I'm sure I could use the 180 without problems, but I would take the 188 given the choice.

 

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Originally Posted by FlashGordon View Post

This past year I went in search of a ski that would deliver what I think you are describing. I demoed a number of top-rated and written about skis and finally landed on the Line Prophet 98. It's a fun ski that can handle speed in all conditions. It works well in all but the deepest of powder conditions and the iciest of hard snow.  I wanted something turnier than the Bonafides and Mantras, but that would charge pretty well too. I didn't enjoy taking the Bonafides or some the other highly rated skis into the bumps and tight spaces. The Prophets were simply more versatile. However, on the hardest of snow days, real bullet-proof, I still find myself going to my pure carve/race type skis. The Line Prophets in 98 or 90mm formats are excellent skis. You might give them a try.

 

I have used some skis in the Prophet line before.

The 80s or 90s I do believe...

I thought they were a great ski, and have reccomended them to people, but I didn't love them for myself.

They felt a little too soft for my tastes. I really love a bomb proof ski (ala Sentinels) and the Prophets had a little too much give. I will try the newer ones if I can though. The ones I used were quite some time ago.

 

 

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Originally Posted by skiessentials View Post

I really like the E98 and the Prophet 100 as well. I felt the Prophet 100 was a little softer than the Sentinel and the E98. Have you checked out the Nordica Hell and Back. Also Blizzard Atlas or next Year’s Dynastar Cham 97.

 

As I mentioned above, I agree with you on the prophets flex.

I will look into those ones.

Thanks you!

 

 

Thanks guys.

Plenty of suggestions to look into!

Cheers

-B

post #9 of 10

The published TR usually has little to do with the overall personality of a ski but since that seems to be your frame of reference.........How about a Sentinel in 177?

 

SJ

post #10 of 10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

The published TR usually has little to do with the overall personality of a ski but since that seems to be your frame of reference.........How about a Sentinel in 177?

 

SJ

 

I agree entirely with the fact that it is not the be all and end all

I wrote in my second post that obviously radius is not the only factor in turniness. I do believe, however, that it is a good starting reference point. Do you disagree with that (purely out of interest)?

 

Haha.

A good point.

However I really don't want to size down. I have used the 177 a couple of times, and I enjoy it, but not as much as the 184.

 

-B

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