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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by skispark View Post

On almost any powder day, Squaw's KT chair is full of people, and most of the snows are tracked in the morning very quickly, whereas Mott chair in Heavenly has very little crowd even on a good powder weekend. OTOH, Squaw has many chairs that serve expert terrain, whereas Heavenly is more limited (Mott is basically the only truly expert). 

 

Huge disclaimer: KT is almost always open, every day, throughout the season, while Mott (and Killebrew) are definitely not.  Mott was open maybe 5 days all of last season, if that.

post #32 of 56
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

 

Huge disclaimer: KT is almost always open, every day, throughout the season, while Mott (and Killebrew) are definitely not.  Mott was open maybe 5 days all of last season, if that.


I am not disputing that KT is one of the best lifts in the world, but...

 

Motts opened Saturday 3/3/2012 with over 2 feet of new snow and the longest lines I have experienced there since they replaced the free snowcats with the lift. But they were nothing like KT on a powder day where lines were so long in 2010-11 that I often skied Far East until KT lines went down to 45 minutes.I also think Motts was open until Sunday 4/15 - I skied it on 4/14. That makes 6 weeks of operation during a season that some people wondered if they would be able to open it. I also had one day in Killibrew where powder was undiscovered and skied great the day after April Fools Day storm. You had to take your skis off to get around the corner on the exit, but it was worth it.

 

I've heard of at least one day where upper CA never opened, then Dipper closes, but Motts keeps running. The only people in Motts are the ones who got there early and don't leave.

post #33 of 56
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I also think Motts was open until Sunday 4/15 - I skied it on 4/14. That makes 6 weeks of operation during a season that some people wondered if they would be able to open it. I also had one day in Killibrew where powder was undiscovered and skied great the day after April Fools Day storm. You had to take your skis off to get around the corner on the exit, but it was worth it.

 

I've heard of at least one day where upper CA never opened, then Dipper closes, but Motts keeps running. The only people in Motts are the ones who got there early and don't leave.

 

You're wrong - it was definitely closed for stretches in-between those dates.  And I'm almost positive it was not open in mid April right before closing since those final weekends barely had half the mountain open.

 

Whatever, I like Mott and Killebrew but they are not open nearly the same way KT is.  Yes, there are longer lines at KT but at least it's always spinning.

post #34 of 56
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You're wrong - it was definitely closed for stretches in-between those dates.  And I'm almost positive it was not open in mid April right before closing since those final weekends barely had half the mountain open.

 

Whatever, I like Mott and Killebrew but they are not open nearly the same way KT is.  Yes, there are longer lines at KT but at least it's always spinning.


Not as wrong as you were when you said "Mott was open maybe 5 days all of last season, if that."  I was there 6 days between 3/3 and 4/14 (3/3, 3/4, 4/2, 4/3, 4/4 and 4/14) and don't remember Motts being closed any of them. My EpicMix shows I rode it on 4 of those days including 4/14.

 

I think Motts was open at least 20 days during those 6 weeks, if not 30-40. How many days did Silverado at Squaw run the last two years?

 

I was there Saturday 4/14 and Motts was open with an inch or two new. It was dust on firm and not somewhere you would want to fall, but it was open. My friend and I left our wives at Heavenly Angels fashion show and band at Tamarack Lodoge to ski it and once was enough.

 

I also remember the Friday of the gathering that traffic made the traffic from I-80 to Squaw was not moving. Some gatherers turned around and went to Heavenly instead and may have been skiing sooner than if they continued to Squaw. Friends of mine were stuck in it way before exiting I-80 and ended up at Mt. Rose. If you want to ski Squaw, especially KT, on a powder day, if it is best to be there long before they open. The Thursday of the gathering (and many days during 2010-11 when I had my first Squaw pass in more than 30 years), KT and most of Squaw was closed, while Northstar had high-speed lift access to untracked powder on their entire mountain,.

post #35 of 56

Okay, well, good to know I guess.  And obviously when it's windy (or if the 89 is packed with traffic) I'm a huge proponent of Northstar - take note of the resort I rep.

post #36 of 56

Mott was open much much more than five days, although it took forever to open. As much shit as Heavenly about being flat and loaded with vacationers I actually kind of like it there. It took some time to explore but there is some fun terrain and good stashes that last. If you're on the main hill its busy with some really nasty choke points but the trees are where its at, the trees away from the main trails, there's lots to explore. I like being in SLT and all the ghetto that comes with it!

post #37 of 56

OT, Part of Heavenly's expansion plans were to lengthen Mott's higher up to match the top of Dipper. If that happens then it would make sense to recycle one of the smaller beginner lifts (that will be coming out) from there to the summit (or near summit) of Monument Peak opening access to Killebrew. Such a plan would improve access but waste conditions so much faster. Any thoughts from anyone on the inside? From what I heard HV was waiting on the Olympic venue decision, but with that all but out, any updated current improvement plans?

post #38 of 56

Heavenly will be doing other lift upgrades / additions long before that happens.  And same deal for a lower lift that could get skiers back to NV from CA even if it's windy and Sky chair is closed (IMO that should be their #1 priority).  I was told this by a very reliable source who would definitely know.

post #39 of 56
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Originally Posted by washoezephyr1 View Post

OT, Part of Heavenly's expansion plans were to lengthen Mott's higher up to match the top of Dipper...., any updated current improvement plans?

 

Even though it's on the master plan, We'll all be dead by the time they get around to replacing Mott chair.  I'm sure it's well down on the list behind Galaxy, the new one (between sky base and the top of the gondola) and probably even north bowl & boulder.

post #40 of 56

I started writing this a while ago, but lost it when I must have done a search from the tab where I was writing it and it disappeared into the Internet. I have been too busy to start over until now. Bullhorn – it is good to hear from you and I hope you can show me Raley’s Bowl this winter. I’ve done a little hiking and mountain biking area on a new hiking trail constructed in the Firebreak area and can see why it is so rocky getting out of there even with 5-10 feet of snow.

 

It is hard to see what Heavenly is going to do next as the link you provided is already 5 years old.  At least one item that was approved has been changed as I thought Heavenly had approval to replace North Bowl and Olympic with one chair that would have required removing a lot of trees and exposed Nevada Woods to more traffic. They changed plans and only replaced Olympic with a HSQ following same alignment. They still plan to replace North Bowl and Boulder with HSQs although I have not been able to find out if this will be one HSQ lift with a mid-station, similar to original Boulder lift which was a very long double. The Upgraded Ski Facilities in the link you provided does gives hope for the return of Wells Fargo which is as steep as Mott Canyon (phase 3), although lower elevation.

 

A more recent update at http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5367722.pdf says next lift will be “Adding a low-capacity handle tow lift in the Player’s Park Terrain Park will enhance the user’s experience by permitting users of the park to remain there without requiring them to exit the park and ride the Canyon Express lift in order to return to the top of it.” I thought snowboarders (and I realize skiers also use parks) and handle tow lifts did not go very well together.

 

I also want to commend Heavenly for their efforts during 2011-12. Early season, they had some of the best (man-made, intermediate) skiing at Tahoe. During extended period of very little snow, they made snow at Sky chair base and used the chair to move it up the mountain to open Skyline trail to allow customers to travel from CA to NV and not just the reverse. Besides getting Mott Canyon open and running it into April, they extended the season for two weekends which allowed my wife to break even on her pass. I tried to post something like this on their website at the end of the season, but they were no longer allowing comments.

post #41 of 56
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Originally Posted by tseeb View Post

I started writing this a while ago, but lost it when I must have done a search from the tab where I was writing it and it disappeared into the Internet. I have been too busy to start over until now. Bullhorn – it is good to hear from you and I hope you can show me Raley’s Bowl this winter. I’ve done a little hiking and mountain biking area on a new hiking trail constructed in the Firebreak area and can see why it is so rocky getting out of there even with 5-10 feet of snow.

 

It is hard to see what Heavenly is going to do next as the link you provided is already 5 years old.  At least one item that was approved has been changed as I thought Heavenly had approval to replace North Bowl and Olympic with one chair that would have required removing a lot of trees and exposed Nevada Woods to more traffic. They changed plans and only replaced Olympic with a HSQ following same alignment. They still plan to replace North Bowl and Boulder with HSQs although I have not been able to find out if this will be one HSQ lift with a mid-station, similar to original Boulder lift which was a very long double. The Upgraded Ski Facilities in the link you provided does gives hope for the return of Wells Fargo which is as steep as Mott Canyon (phase 3), although lower elevation.

 

A more recent update at http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5367722.pdf says next lift will be “Adding a low-capacity handle tow lift in the Player’s Park Terrain Park will enhance the user’s experience by permitting users of the park to remain there without requiring them to exit the park and ride the Canyon Express lift in order to return to the top of it.” I thought snowboarders (and I realize skiers also use parks) and handle tow lifts did not go very well together.

 

I also want to commend Heavenly for their efforts during 2011-12. Early season, they had some of the best (man-made, intermediate) skiing at Tahoe. During extended period of very little snow, they made snow at Sky chair base and used the chair to move it up the mountain to open Skyline trail to allow customers to travel from CA to NV and not just the reverse. Besides getting Mott Canyon open and running it into April, they extended the season for two weekends which allowed my wife to break even on her pass. I tried to post something like this on their website at the end of the season, but they were no longer allowing comments.

 

Having stayed at The Ridge Tahoe, which looks right over Well's Fargo, and looking at google earth, I do notice that there are slight trails cut in there. Any reason for this?

post #42 of 56
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Having stayed at The Ridge Tahoe, which looks right over Well's Fargo, and looking at google earth, I do notice that there are slight trails cut in there. Any reason for this?

 

They use to have a lift down there about 30 years ago.  They took it out because the low elevation provided little natural snow.  With modern snowmaking they believe it is now a viable area.  Here is a scan of a the Nevada side of an old Heavenly trail map.

 

post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by bullhorn View Post

 

They use to have a lift down there about 30 years ago.  They took it out because the low elevation provided little natural snow.  With modern snowmaking they believe it is now a viable area.  Here is a scan of a the Nevada side of an old Heavenly trail map.

 

 

Awesome! Will this add to the total vertical of Heavenly by setting a lower base elevation?

post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by skiking4 View Post

 

Awesome! Will this add to the total vertical of Heavenly by setting a lower base elevation?

 

The base elevation of that chair would be around 6,500 feet, about the same as California base.  You could ski it from the top of dipper (or sky wink.gif), but it would kinda suck.  From the top of Olympic it would be about 3000 feet of skiing .... though the most likely long run would be from the top of stagecoach for about 2500.    Doesn't really matter, that chair isn't going in for a really long time anyway.

post #45 of 56

Uhm, fellas, this Heavenly development discussion is fascinating in an arcane & cultish sense, but I've got to call it:

THREADJACK.

Back to our regularly scheduled OP:

Originally Posted by binobear View Post

Don.t care about nightlife or casinos, looking for variety of terrain, beauty, vertical, slopeside condo, great snow and no crowds. It appears that Heavenly has a huge amount of terrain and vertical, but Squaw might be less crowded and low key.

The opinions below come from a former North-Lake loyalist who now spends most of his time at Sierra & Kirkwood because he lives just down the road in foothills of El Dorado County.

In a nutshell, you're going to have to decide what you want most: convenience?  Stay at the base village of Squaw or Heavenly.  If forced to chose between strictly one or the other, I'd take Squaw for the pure skiing experience, but on the weekend, it's the last place in Tahoe I'd want to be.

Do you want scenery, variety, local authenticity, & less crowding?  Get a rental car & be prepared to do some driving.

 

If this were my first trip to Tahoe, and I had a week + to spend, I'd opt for the latter course, but there are some things to consider:

 

On Heavenly & South Lake Tahoe's tradeoffs & shortcomings:

* Heavenly is a big mountain with tons of terrain, and it will reward those who chat up the locals for intel & seek hidden stashes.

That said, of the 40-50 resorts I've skied in N.America & Europe, Heavenly suffers from what is hands down the worst lift layout I've ever encountered at a major mountain.  If you don't have good skating condition & technique or might resent spending $100 a day for a lift ticket that requires you to spend as much time traversing as you spend on lifts, look elsewhere.

* The gaudiness of SLT's casinos & the ramshackle way the rest of the town has been developed is at counter purposes to the "natural beauty" you say you're looking for.  That beauty is stashed all around the lake, but is easier to find in areas where development is more dispersed - which is the way I'd describe most of North Shore outside of Truckee (which is still less of an eyesore than SLT, and most of the casino-ridden Nevada shoreline).  The tradeoff? You'll have more dining opportunities per square mile in SLT, even if the quality of the average restaurant there is below what you'll find in Truckee.

 

If what you're looking for is smaller crowds & more scenery, get off the beaten path a bit. Ski Squaw on a weekday, and Heavenly if you must, but be sure not to miss underrated locals' favorites like Alpine & Kirkwood.

Check out this thread on Tahoe family skiing that The Dad, myself, & others contributed to a couple seasons ago:

http://www.epicski.com/t/89668/family-resort-in-tahoe#post_1170384

There are some great tips there on smaller resorts all around Tahoe that offer up a lot of variety & an opportunity to branch out beyond the standard, Vail Corp. package vacation experience you'll get if you book & stay the whole time at Heavenly.

 

More tips, 2cents at a time:

*Want the best advanced terrain & most plentiful snow with the minimum possible crowding?  Go to Kirkwood.  Kirkwood just got bought by VailCorp, and crowds will likely increase with the interchangeability of Heavenly/Kirkwood tickets, but Kirkwood is still the best argument I can think of to stay in SLT, even if it is an hour down the road.

*Heed the tips on Mt. Rose as a first/last day stop if you're flying Reno.  Great little local mountain, that always seems to be running some sort of ticket specials.

*Homewood is another unsung way to soak up slopeside views of Lake Tahoe, should you decide to go the North Lake route and skip SLT altogether.

*Heed the advice about Northstar on a storm day!  You will have the woods on the backside at Northstar all to yourself on whiteout days where they have to shut down the upper elevations at Squaw.

*If you opt to stay in SLT, a little plug for Sierra at Tahoe, where my family & I hold season passes: if there's enough snow to open Huckleberry Canyon, look no further for the best pillow lines in Tahoe.  If you know what "huck" or even "drop" means, this is where you want to be on a big powder day. On whiteout days, the highly sheltered tree skiing terrain at Sierra is a game saver - SLT's answer to Northstar, if you will.

* If you're flying into CA, skip SF0 & Oakland and fly Sacramento.  This will cut 2-4 hours off your commute vs SFO.  Sacto airport (SMF) is about 2 hours from both Truckee & SLT, so all things being equal in terms of pricing & layovers, fly Reno instead.  Just know that SMF is another solid option, and it'll be worth every extra penny or stopover you have to invest up front in order to avoid hours of stop-&-go traffic getting into and out of the Bay Area - especially if you're travelling on a Friday or Sunday.

 

Happy planning!


Edited by Veloscente - 10/1/12 at 11:30am
post #46 of 56
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* If you're flying into CA, skip SF0 & Oakland and fly Sacramento.  This will cut 2-4 hours off your commute vs SFO.  Sacto airport (SMF) is about 2 hours from both Truckee & SLT, so all things being equal in terms of pricing & layovers, fly Reno instead.  Just know that SMF is another solid option, and it'll be worth every extra penny or stopover you have to invest up front in order to avoid hours of stop-&-go traffic getting into and out of the Bay Area - especially if you're travelling on a Friday or Sunday.

 

Happy planning!

Rental cars tend to be cheaper in Sacramento than the other options, too.

post #47 of 56

I live in NH and been vacationing in Tahoe for the last 8 winters. I normally go the last week of Feb or first second week of March. 6 out of the last 8 seasons got lots of snow those weeks. Both resorts have their upside. I prefer the south end of the lake Heavenly but I normally ski Kirkwood and Sierra-Tahoe. Heavenly if we get snow since tough to travel out there as it normally snows in feet. If the roads are open you can get to Squaw and Alpine in about an hour drive also Homewood a smaller area but incredible photo day op if you get there right timing. Good cheap skiing and no crpwds. If you do not care about any night life or dinners etc after sking then you could stay up the north shore Squaw but long drive at night to go to south shore. South shore has a lot more happening if you need a day off. Good luck you won't be disappointed there are 7 areas around the lake all offer their own upside.

post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by Veloscente View Post

Uhm, fellas, this Heavenly development discussion is fascinating in an arcane & cultish sense, but I've got to call it:

THREADJACK.

Back to our regularly scheduled OP:

The opinions below come from a former North-Lake loyalist who now spends most of his time at Sierra & Kirkwood because he lives just down the road in foothills of El Dorado County.

In a nutshell, you're going to have to decide what you want most: convenience?  Stay at the base village of Squaw or Heavenly.  If forced to chose between strictly one or the other, I'd take Squaw for the pure skiing experience, but on the weekend, it's the last place in Tahoe I'd want to be.

Do you want scenery, variety, local authenticity, & less crowding?  Get a rental car & be prepared to do some driving.

 

If this were my first trip to Tahoe, and I had a week + to spend, I'd opt for the latter course, but there are some things to consider:

 

On Heavenly & South Lake Tahoe's tradeoffs & shortcomings:

* Heavenly is a big mountain with tons of terrain, and it will reward those who chat up the locals for intel & seek hidden stashes.

That said, of the 40-50 resorts I've skied in N.America & Europe, Heavenly suffers from what is hands down the worst lift layout I've ever encountered at a major mountain.  If you don't have good skating condition & technique or might resent spending $100 a day for a lift ticket that requires you to spend as much time traversing as you spend on lifts, look elsewhere.

* The gaudiness of SLT's casinos & the ramshackle way the rest of the town has been developed is at counter purposes to the "natural beauty" you say you're looking for.  That beauty is stashed all around the lake, but is easier to find in areas where development is more dispersed - which is the way I'd describe most of North Shore outside of Truckee (which is still less of an eyesore than SLT, and most of the casino-ridden Nevada shoreline).  The tradeoff? You'll have more dining opportunities per square mile in SLT, even if the quality of the average restaurant there is below what you'll find in Truckee.

 

If what you're looking for is smaller crowds & more scenery, get off the beaten path a bit. Ski Squaw on a weekday, and Heavenly if you must, but be sure not to miss underrated locals' favorites like Alpine & Kirkwood.

Check out this thread on Tahoe family skiing that The Dad, myself, & others contributed to a couple seasons ago:

http://www.epicski.com/t/89668/family-resort-in-tahoe#post_1170384

There are some great tips there on smaller resorts all around Tahoe that offer up a lot of variety & an opportunity to branch out beyond the standard, Vail Corp. package vacation experience you'll get if you book & stay the whole time at Heavenly.

 

More tips, 2cents at a time:

*Want the best advanced terrain & most plentiful snow with the minimum possible crowding?  Go to Kirkwood.  Kirkwood just got bought by VailCorp, and crowds will likely increase with the interchangeability of Heavenly/Kirkwood tickets, but Kirkwood is still the best argument I can think of to stay in SLT, even if it is an hour down the road.

*Heed the tips on Mt. Rose as a first/last day stop if you're flying Reno.  Great little local mountain, that always seems to be running some sort of ticket specials.

*Homewood is another unsung way to soak up slopeside views of Lake Tahoe, should you decide to go the North Lake route and skip SLT altogether.

*Heed the advice about Northstar on a storm day!  You will have the woods on the backside at Northstar all to yourself on whiteout days where they have to shut down the upper elevations at Squaw.

*If you opt to stay in SLT, a little plug for Sierra at Tahoe, where my family & I hold season passes: if there's enough snow to open Huckleberry Canyon, look no further for the best pillow lines in Tahoe.  If you know what "huck" or even "drop" means, this is where you want to be on a big powder day. On whiteout days, the highly sheltered tree skiing terrain at Sierra is a game saver - SLT's answer to Northstar, if you will.

* If you're flying into CA, skip SF0 & Oakland and fly Sacramento.  This will cut 2-4 hours off your commute vs SFO.  Sacto airport (SMF) is about 2 hours from both Truckee & SLT, so all things being equal in terms of pricing & layovers, fly Reno instead.  Just know that SMF is another solid option, and it'll be worth every extra penny or stopover you have to invest up front in order to avoid hours of stop-&-go traffic getting into and out of the Bay Area - especially if you're travelling on a Friday or Sunday.

 

Happy planning!


Being local I vote for this to be the best summary of available options at Tahoe! icon14.gif

 

Except for Homewood - views are awesome, but skiing? wink.gif

post #49 of 56
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Except for Homewood - views are awesome, but skiing? wink.gif

For those traveling from flatlands who aren't experts, Homewood is a great place to warm up if starting the trip on a weekend.

post #50 of 56

Homewood actually has some good terrain if you know where to find it.

post #51 of 56
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Homewood actually has some good terrain if you know where to find it.

 

 

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Originally Posted by marznc View Post

For those traveling from flatlands who aren't experts, Homewood is a great place to warm up if starting the trip on a weekend.


 All true. Given you live in the area and bored to death with the rest Tahoe can offer. Not so much for people getting to ski Tahoe for a week from the other side of the country.

post #52 of 56

My advice to the OP is to shop and compare. Try both.

You will already be travelling close to 3000 miles to get here. What is another hour and 15 minute drive around beautiful Lake Tahoe?

Both resorts are big and popular. Getting some local knowledge can make either place more enjoyable. (Timing and semi-hidden or less travelled areas at Squaw, Knowing when to point them straight or take a fun cut-off to avoid a long traverse at Heavenly.) I have been known to say that if you just follow the trail map you will likely dislike Heavenly. However if you ski the areas that aren't the obvious you will find it to be entirely different. If you like tree skiing, Heavenly has some of the best.

You also have many other resorts around Tahoe that have a different personality than Squaw and Heavenly, they are worth checking out for a different ski experience.

Also, if it is really windy, Squaw and Heavenly will have many lifts on wind hold. Here are three windy day recommendations: Northstar, Homewood, Sierra at Tahoe.

If you are up for a longer drive on a non-windy day, Kirkwood and/or Mammoth have a lot to offer.

Enjoy!

post #53 of 56

I skied Tahoe nearly every season from 1979 to 1995, but in only 5 seasons since.  I like Veloscente's analysis a lot too. In particular:

 

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Do you want scenery, variety, local authenticity, & less crowding?  Get a rental car & be prepared to do some driving. If this were my first trip to Tahoe, and I had a week + to spend, I'd opt for the latter course

Paying a premium for slopeside lodging and skiing the same place most of the week diminishes the Tahoe experience IMHO.  Get the Tahoe Six Pack ticket that some of us used at last year's Gathering.  I think the Gathering's split of 4 days north and 2 days south was about right too, given normal snow conditions. Relocate the lodging base midweek to cut the driving down some.

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That said, of the 40-50 resorts I've skied in N.America & Europe, Heavenly suffers from what is hands down the worst lift layout I've ever encountered at a major mountain.

In my case it's over 100 resorts and certainly among the top 5 for worst lift layout.  The Milky Way to bottom of old Wells Fargo was a great 4000 vertical run and I hope they bring it back.  They also need a short lift from top of the new gondola to top of Olympic to eliminate the tedious Crossover traverse. Which by the way was unnecessary with the old East Peak lift.  Heavenly's layout was better in 1982 than it is now.  All of that said I've had some great days there (outstanding tree skiing for powder days), and if you get a local like tseeb to show you around you should be fine.  I would still avoid Heavenly on weekends or any other time it is likely to be crowded.

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*Want the best advanced terrain & most plentiful snow with the minimum possible crowding?  Go to Kirkwood.  Kirkwood just got bought by VailCorp, and crowds will likely increase with the interchangeability of Heavenly/Kirkwood tickets, but Kirkwood is still the best argument I can think of to stay in SLT, even if it is an hour down the road.

I share this opinion of Kirkwood.  470 inch average snowfall and the highest average altitude at Tahoe.  I call it "the Alta of the Sierra."  If you hit a sustained dry spell with widespread spring conditions, spend more time at Kirkwood as it has the best snow preservation at Tahoe, though not quite as good as Mammoth.

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*Heed the advice about Northstar on a storm day!  You will have the woods on the backside at Northstar all to yourself on whiteout days where they have to shut down the upper elevations at Squaw.

Wednesday of the Gathering was Exhibit A.  For those like tseeb who went back to Northstar on Thursday instead of the $#!&show at Squaw, even better.

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*Heed the tips on Mt. Rose as a first/last day stop if you're flying Reno.  Great little local mountain, that always seems to be running some sort of ticket specials.

The Chutes at Mt. Rose are very impressive.  I've been lucky to have deep powder on both of my days there.

 

Squaw's expert terrain reputation is well deserved.  For scale and concentration of steep terrain in North America only Jackson is comparable IMHO.  If that's what you want, check it out early in your week as you may want to come back for more

 

But in general try to be flexible in where you ski each day based on conditions (storms, potential crowds, sustained dry spells, previous low elevation rain, etc.)

post #54 of 56
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The Chutes at Mt. Rose are very impressive.  I've been lucky to have deep powder on both of my days there.

 

IIRC, one of those times was during the week that you said that we should move the trip away from Tahoe because we were not going to have good conditions. On that note, while Tony has a plethora of what he thinks is accurate information, it is still an educated guess in his predictions and they are no more accurate than your average weatherman or soothsayer. 

post #55 of 56
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post

 They also need a short lift from top of the new gondola to top of Olympic to eliminate the tedious Crossover traverse. 

 

Hey Tony, keep in mind that the "Big Easy" (beginner) chair will get you from the top of the gondola to at least the bottom of Olympic with only a short distance on a cat track.  (Works even for snow boarders).  Took me a couple of seasons to figure that out.  

post #56 of 56
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during the week that you said that we should move the trip away from Tahoe because we were not going to have good conditions.

Actually it was the opening of the Mt. Rose Chutes on February 14 that caused me to change my mind (at the end of January I had decided not to go at all) and attend part of the Gathering.  Still, by Sunday February 26 conditions had deteriorated to marginal around much of Tahoe with a melt/freeze over a still thin base according to TR's here and elsewhere.   Conditions turned around precisely on the first official day of the Gathering.

 

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they are no more accurate than your average weatherman or soothsayer.

Nobody can accurately predict weather more than a week out.  I provided a probability distribution of possible snowfall ranges during the 2 months before the Gathering.  Based upon where we were with one month to go we got the lucky end of that distribution.

 

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the "Big Easy" (beginner) chair

if extended just a little would reach the top of Olympic and provide the smooth transition that East Peak used to do.

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