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Relief for black big toe nail

post #1 of 10
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For the first time I experienced pain in my right big toe nail after 3 days of skiing in Feb. The nail turned black and recently fell off. As far as I can tell, skiing in my boots do not cause any right big toe discomfort (or any other discomfort). However, walking around the base village in my boots or just standing in a non-skiing stance seems to cause pain in the right big toe (the left big toe feels fine).

 

The change that preceded this right big toe problem was replacement of the OEM liner with Intuition wrap. A toe cap was used during fitting. When I am standing upright, my toes touch the front of the liner, but when I take a skiing stance, they do not.

 

Here are my vitals:

 

Street shoe size: US 10.5

Mondo size: 26.5

Nordica Speedmachine 14

Custom footbed

Shell fit: about 17 mm between my heel and the shell; adequate room elsewhere

 

Is there a way for me to be able to walk and ski comfortably in my boots? The only solution I can find is to carry my boots to the hill and walk in shoes. Thanks in advance.

post #2 of 10

thinner sock on that foot?

 

make sure you heel is back all the way in the liner,  if your heel is too far forward, your toes will be too.

 

if your heel is back, then spot heat and stretch out the liner, just on the big toe, just on that liner

post #3 of 10

with walking in the boot being the cause it sounds like as dave says your foot is not in the right place in the liner

 

other things to try ...make sure the ankle buckle is very secure (even when walking) as this will help hold your foot to the back of the boot, or does your toe stick up in the air when  you stand, some people this happens with and they are the most susceptible to this happening..not the end of the toe hitting but the top!

post #4 of 10

first of all losing a toenail typically does not take place by simply having a tight boot. losing the toenail takes acceleration of the foot into the front of the shell. the pain occurs with instant deceleration when the toe stops at the front of the shell. toe pain and losing a nail have a common source. that source is movement.

 

either your foot is sliding into the front of the boot inside the liner or the liner is sliding inside the shell. either way if the toes can get to the front of the boot in walking or skiing, you have a problem in that your heel is not being contained to the back of the shell with your intuition liner.

 

review your process.....

 

shell size, all good

footbed, all good

skied for a while in stock liner, and all is good.

 

here is where the IQ test comes in....

 

change liner, black toe nail and discomfort. i wonder what is causing that?

 

two areas to look. either liner inherently is not a good match for your foot and the ski boot shell. or the molding of the intuition liner was not well done.

 

jim

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post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post

 

either your foot is sliding into the front of the boot inside the liner or the liner is sliding inside the shell. either way if the toes can get to the front of the boot in walking or skiing, you have a problem in that your heel is not being contained to the back of the shell with your intuition liner.

 

Aha! When I walk around in my boots, I generally leave all the buckles undone so my foot has more room. It moves around quite a bit inside the liner. When I ski I keep the middle 2 buckles tight (instep + lower cuff) because I have slim heels which I need to keep in the pocket.

 

My toe does not stick up. But I think I am going to try the suggestion to keep my boots buckled when walking to keep my foot from sliding forwards.

post #6 of 10

I agree with Jim.  It is unlikely you are losing your toenails from walking in the boots, it simply takes more force.  I think there is a problem with molding the liners.  Was a footbed in the liner during molding or added after?  Sometimes it takes double toe caps.  10.5 foot in 26.5 does not leave a lot of extra room, perhaps you need to have the toe box of the shell ground a little larger.

 

Lou

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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post

I agree with Jim.  It is unlikely you are losing your toenails from walking in the boots, it simply takes more force.  I think there is a problem with molding the liners.  Was a footbed in the liner during molding or added after?  Sometimes it takes double toe caps.  10.5 foot in 26.5 does not leave a lot of extra room, perhaps you need to have the toe box of the shell ground a little larger.

 

Does alignment make a difference? My right boot is canted laterally between 3 - 3.5*, the left only 1.5*.  I have a custom footbed (Harb Ski Systems) with the OEM liner. I kept the footbed, which was used when the Intuition liner was molded. It was done while on vacation (Fanatyk Co.). I remember that it was very very very tight inside the liners during molding. The tech spent and lot of time and was very fastidious, but to be fair, I only skied the boots for a few hours before I flew out of town so he didn't have much of chance to troubleshoot the liner. The next time I skied was the 3 days of toe pain. On the last day another shop reheated the toe of the liner and stretched it a bit, but by then I think the damage was done. Sounds like next year I should try to isolate the problem by just skiing in the boots and not walking, then if the pain returns, get the toe ground or the liner toe redone.

 

Or, would it be worth it to just get the whole right foot liner completely re-molded (with extra toe room)? Can an Intuition Performance Wrap be reheated and re-molded without problems? I've heard that if reheated and remolded the liner doesn't fit as well.

post #8 of 10

You can reheat the liner.  Cant shouldn't have anything to do with the problem.  Were the liners molded with the footbed in?

post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post

Were the liners molded with the footbed in?

 

Yes, the old custom footbed was used.

 

BTW, I wanted to thank you and everybody else who replied. Hopefully next season will be pain free.

post #10 of 10

1) recheck alignment since it was done with OEM liners.  The molding process can allow your foot and leg to migrate.

 

2) You are in a snug shell fit so as suggested keep boots buckled when walking.  This is true for any boot really because walking with boots unbuckled just trashes the liner and heel pocket.

 

3) As Jim pointed out your toe is jamming into the front of the shell so depending on the volume of the shell around the heel instep parameter and the volume of your foot in this area, you may need to add a tongue shim to lock the heel back better and stop the foot from sliding forward?

 

4) If you are still getting heel lift with the Intuitions (a common issue) get some "L" pads installed to take of the volume behind your ankles which these liners do not do well.  note: they do not expand to fill voids.

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