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What is the warmest insulated water-proof shell?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Hello there,

 

I am new to this forum and technical jackets in general. I was wondering what is the warmest insulated jacket out there. My criteria for what i'm am looking for are:

 

-Looks great for everyday use

-Not bulky

-Has the most technical materials

-Can keep me warm in 20F temperature with just a t shirt under(No layering)

 

This jacket will be used for walking to class during freezing mornings and around town use. I probably will not be very active when wearing this jacket. I have looked at the Westcomb Fx Hoody and the Arcteryx Fission Sv. Does anyone know which of these is warmer? If you have better suggestion, your help will be much appreciated and helpful.

 

Thanks,

Vincent

post #2 of 26

oxymoron- shells are not insulated.  

 

did you just mean jacket?  Fission's are very warm but you could look at some of the down jackets out there that are more expedition-based rather than a piece designed for active movement and sports. they may be better options. Think giant over-stuffed puffy jackets that will keep you warm in just about any temp.  

post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 

oxymoron- shells are not insulated.  

 

Yes sorry my mistake. I am new to the jacket world. 

 

I guess my question is what are the best jackets that have protective outside combined with an warm insulated layer. I basically want one have-it-all jacket because I don't like layering up.

post #4 of 26

no worries, here's what I was thinking.  It doesn't need to be this jacket but something longer and more lifestyle specific.  

 

 

http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/product_Canada-Goose-Men-s-Expedition-Parka_10099633____?cm_mmc=PPC-_-GooglePlusBox-_-na-_-Canada-Goose-Men-s-Expedition-Parka&ad_id=GooglePlusBox&adtype=pla&gclid=CKzvtuCJ5K8CFUZN4Aod8ml3Cw

 

I would take a look to see what sierra trading post has.  here's a great option

 

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/mountain-hardwear-downtown-dryq-core-down-coat-waterproof-650-fill-powerfor-men~p~4488k/?filterString=mens-down-jackets~d~5269%2F&colorFamily=02

 

 
this is a full on water and wind proof jacket that will be very warm.  You might even get it cheaper with an online coupon.. Sign up for their newsletter and you will get a discount on this.  
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by bigfish318 View Post

 

I guess my question is what are the best jackets that have protective outside combined with an warm insulated layer. I basically want one have-it-all jacket because I don't like layering up.

 

http://westernmountaineering.com/index.cfm?section=products&page=Down%20Garments&cat=Jackets%20and%20Vests&ContentId=63

 

(and a frakking steal at $440 for a mountaineering-grade 850-fill down parka)

post #6 of 26

nice coat but its only windstopper which should be fine in all but hard rain but the Mtn Hardwear is outdry and about $265.

post #7 of 26

Sure, I'm just giving the very end of the warmth spectrum, trading away a little bit of bulk and a little bit of long-term water resistance for  "super-cush in cold and warm even if wet".   

 

If that MH coat was just a little /bit/ more technical (in a Gill Ocean Racer way, with a storm-height collar, abrasion resistance outer, off-the-neck hood storage, etc.) I'd be looking at it for myself.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

nice coat but its only windstopper which should be fine in all but hard rain but the Mtn Hardwear is outdry and about $265.

post #8 of 26

Am not a fan of down for high activity work, particularly if someone is prone to running hot in a jacket to begin with.  I've found down to be a waste once I get sweaty.  My DryQ Elite stuff, on the other hand, is excellent.  Depends how warm the OP wants.  The Mountain Hardware Vertical Peak is insulated, lightweight, and has the DryQ Elite (not OutDry) tech material.  Excellent jacket.  But if REALLY warm is what he wants, a Karbon Hydrogen or Helium jacket is crazy warm but it's not the most lightweight.  I can wear it with a t-shirt and -20C. It is entirely waterproof and bomber though, a very TOUGH jacket to take major abuse (unless those lightweight down ones which are more likely to rip/tear/etc).

post #9 of 26

I don't do insulated jackets anymore - layering with a shell is much more effective, though probably not ideal for walking around campus - so I don't have any specific model recommendations. But it shouldn't be hard to find on your own, if you know the properties you're looking for.

 

Down offers the highest warmth-to-weight ratio of any insulation, so it's a natural (literally and figuratively) way to go. It's also expensive, but worth the money if you're looking for a lightweight, warm jacket. You could also go with synthetic insulation like Primaloft if you want to save some money.

 

You don't mention if you need it to be waterproof, but I would suggest it. This way if it's rain or wet snow, your down doesn't get all soppy (down's one negative is that it's ineffective when wet). Waterproof also means windproof, so it will give you protection from any blustery gusts.

 

Since a given semester incorporates a lot of weather, I'd consider something with removable down insulation. This way you can go full-on winter mode or have a lighter, waterproof jacket and non-waterproof down liner for late winter/early spring. Something like this:

 

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/merrell-raven-tri-therm-3-in-1-jacket-waterproof-removable-down-liner-for-men~p~3610u/

 

That's out of stock, but gives you an idea. Just browse or search for 'waterproof jackets with removable down liners' or '3-in-1 jackets' (shell, liner, insulated shell) and you should find some others.

 

In fact, here's a whole section on Backcountry.

 

Second Sierra Trading Post for great deals on jackets (unless you're a fashion hound that needs the latest, flashiest model).

post #10 of 26

Good point.  Tri-jackets are a great idea, very versatile.  North Face and Columbia have a wide range of selection to suit most style/colour/etc preferences.  Generally well built and not terribly expensive.  I'm far more partial to Columbia's Omni-Heat and Omni-Tech jackets than The North Face stuff, I've tried both and Columbia's is more water resistant from what I've anecdotally experienced.

 

Depends what the OP's budget is as well.  Mountain Hardware DryQ insulated jackets are lightweight, waterproof, breathable, and cutting-edge tech material.  A few MH 3-in-1 DryQ jackets are available, here's an example:

 

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/mountain-hardwear-excursion-trifecta-dryq-core-jacket-waterproof-3-in-1-for-men~p~4488h/?filterString=mens-winter-coats-and-jackets~d~459%2Fbrandor~13530%2F&colorFamily=01

post #11 of 26
Thread Starter 

Are all the insulation created equal or close to equal. Is there a noticeable difference primaloft and the lesser known brands? Is the price premium justified?

post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 

Oh yeh thanks for all the help guys, your information has spurred my imagination.

post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by bigfish318 View Post

Are all the insulation created equal or close to equal. Is there a noticeable difference primaloft and the lesser known brands? Is the price premium justified?

 

The differences in how the insulation is stuffed in, distributed, sealed in, and sewn in are far more important than brand differences in the insulation itself.

post #14 of 26
Thread Starter 

Have you tried the western mountaineering ion parka?

post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 

Or the mountain hardwear downtown?

post #16 of 26

if you are just walking around town and campus you can't go wrong with 100 grams or more of primoloft or the 650-800 down fill but a outer material of DRYQ  or gore windstopper is going to be superior outer material. most here would not consider 20 degrees cold.  I thought you had wanted h20-proof but I see you didn't ask. however, invariably you will want some level of this. I liked that Mtn Hardwear jacket I posted up before as it offers serious warmth matched with the DRYQ (not sure if its Elite or not) but it will do a great job for under $300 and if you sign up for their  newsletter I think you can score another 15% but you have all summer and there are going to be a lot of stuff around in that "around town" category. I bought a Rab down jacket for the same purpose as you. You can't beat a good down jacket IMHO. 

 

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/mountain-hardwear-hunker-down-parka-650-fill-power-for-men~p~4487x/?filterString=mens-jackets-and-coats~d~142%2Fbrandor~13530%2F&colorFamily=03

 

marmot (not sure of what size/colors  http://www.sierratradingpost.com/marmot-yukon-classic-down-parka-waterproof-650-fill-power-for-men~p~2375f/?filterString=mens-jackets-and-coats~d~142%2Fbrandor~13530%2C1308%2Fmens-down-jackets~d~5269%2F&colorFamily=08

 

another marmot  http://www.sierratradingpost.com/marmot-whitehorse-down-parka-waterproof-650-fill-power-for-men~p~2375r/?filterString=mens-jackets-and-coats~d~142%2Fbrandor~13530%2C1308%2Fmens-down-jackets~d~5269%2F&colorFamily=07

 

Here's the Rab jacket I have but with the hood- http://www.backcountry.com/rab-neutrino-endurance-down-jacket-mens?CMP_SKU=RAB0040&MER=0406&CMP_ID=SH_FRO001&mv_pc=r126&003=7162907&010=RAB0040-BEL-L&mr:trackingCode=8FA13CD3-4555-E011-9324-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA

 

 

I like these as they are longer and that makes a big difference on a really cold windy day/night. 


Edited by Finndog - 5/6/12 at 4:34am
post #17 of 26

where exactly  is "campus"? Or did I miss it up there...

post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by bigfish318 View Post

Have you tried the western mountaineering ion parka?

 

 

Yes.    I would never wear it below 10,000 feet or above  10F.     But that's me.

post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

 

 

Yes.    I would never wear it below 10,000 feet .

Why not?

post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Why not?

 

Schwitz from teh pitz.   

post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

 

Schwitz from teh pitz.   


I see what temperature has to do with it, but I still don't see why not below 10,000 ft.confused.gif  If it's -70 F and the elevation is 1008 feet, wouldn't you want a warm jacket?

post #22 of 26
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I see what temperature has to do with it, but I still don't see why not below 10,000 ft

 

 

I get colder at altitude.   Not 'nuff air to burn the food right, is my hypothesis <shrug>

post #23 of 26

Ah, so you are saying it's ok above 10,000 ft but not ok below 10,000 ft UNLESS the temperature is well below 10 F (for example -70 F cool.gif)?

post #24 of 26
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Ah, so you are saying it's ok above 10,000 ft but not ok below 10,000 ft UNLESS the temperature is well below 10 F (for example -70 F cool.gif)?

 

You have understood exactly.

post #25 of 26

is this before or after calibration? 

post #26 of 26

good question, no you didn't miss it.  So biggish, where is campus? 

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Originally Posted by bigfish318 View Post

Hello there,

 

I am new to this forum and technical jackets in general. I was wondering what is the warmest insulated jacket out there. My criteria for what i'm am looking for are:

 

-Looks great for everyday use

-Not bulky

-Has the most technical materials

-Can keep me warm in 20F temperature with just a t shirt under(No layering)

 

This jacket will be used for walking to class during freezing mornings and around town use. I probably will not be very active when wearing this jacket. I have looked at the Westcomb Fx Hoody and the Arcteryx Fission Sv. Does anyone know which of these is warmer? If you have better suggestion, your help will be much appreciated and helpful.

 

Thanks,

Vincent

 

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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

where exactly  is "campus"? Or did I miss it up there...

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