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post #811 of 1284
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

I am SO GLAD it was won with a beautiful play, rather than a pk (or a bunch of them, for that matter).

Me too.  The refs did fine and only the two teams determined the outcome.

post #812 of 1284

Good game. I was watching an internet stream at home, but internet got too slow and it kept freezing. Went to a bar in town in the middle of a downpour for the second half (literally there was a stream flowing down the sidewalk, I got soaked). I will say for as low scoring as the elimination rounds were, they were at least interesting. There were 0-0 games all the way to penalties that had me on the edge of my seat. 

 

Overall I think this World Cup was a success. No vuvuzelas, no major refereeing controversies in the late games, the stadiums and infrastructure all seemed to be finished on time (or as much as one would expect for a project of this size), and above all it was great entertainment. 

post #813 of 1284
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Overall I think this World Cup was a success.

 

Agreed, and the best team won.

 

I can't help feeling that those missed goals were also missed opportunities to draw the general American public and sports media further into the game. "Argentina Wins High Scoring Thriller Three Goals To Two" would have done wonders for soccer's "boring" image in the US.

post #814 of 1284
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Originally Posted by MrGolfAnalogy View Post
 

 

I can't help feeling that those missed goals were also missed opportunities to draw the general American public and sports media further into the game. "Argentina Wins High Scoring Thriller Three Goals To Two" would have done wonders for soccer's "boring" image in the US.

Well. Maybe maybe not. If you can't appreciate soccer for what it is, don't bother. Perhaps the general American public should figure it out.

post #815 of 1284
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

I am SO GLAD it was won with a beautiful play, rather than a pk (or a bunch of them, for that matter).


Absolutely. Penalty kicks to win the tournament is crap.

post #816 of 1284
Yeah good game. Nice shot by Goetzl. Argentina's defense was impressive. The better team did win. Argentina has scored almost no goals in regular time in this tournament. Now if they had played Brazil....

Too bad they don't have a couple players Messi could really work with and who are threats on their own. Probably they'll blame him.. Well at last he wasnt sobbing afterwards doing a blubbering tv interview He does sem to be the Pete Sampras of soccer personality wise which hurts him with the public. Will we be forced to hear about Mr. Handball Maradona for another 4 yrs? It's like Lebron and Miami this year You can't win with one superstar, a cripple, an old guy, and a bunch of filler.

To make soccer high scoring just get rid of the goal keepers and make the goal smaller.
post #817 of 1284
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Yeah good game. Nice shot by Goetzl. Argentina's defense was impressive. The better team did win. Argentina has scored almost no goals in regular time in this tournament. Now if they had played Brazil....

Too bad they don't have a couple players Messi could really work with and who are threats on their own. Probably they'll blame him.. Well at last he wasnt sobbing afterwards doing a blubbering tv interview He does sem to be the Pete Sampras of soccer personality wise which hurts him with the public. Will we be forced to hear about Mr. Handball Maradona for another 4 yrs? It's like Lebron and Miami this year You can't win with one superstar, a cripple, an old guy, and a bunch of filler.

To make soccer high scoring just get rid of the goal keepers and make the goal smaller.

Higuain should have scored, at least once. Di Maria would have helped. They had their chances, they just didn't finish. 

post #818 of 1284
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Higuain should have scored, at least once. Di Maria would have helped. They had their chances, they just didn't finish. 


Yep.  Higuain's my favorite Argentina regular guy. 

post #819 of 1284
Argentina had the same approach Costa Rica had in most of their games. Did not deserve the chanpionship based on the approach alone.
post #820 of 1284
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Originally Posted by CaliSki View Post

Argentina had the same approach Costa Rica had in most of their games. Did not deserve the chanpionship based on the approach alone.

 

Play defense?

post #821 of 1284
Brazil should've contracted out their defense to Costa Rica. Just buy them outright and put the yellow jersey's on.
Goat of tournament- David Luiz of Brazil. Utter failure to organize defense against Germany. Polished it off with a blubbering post match interview. If sports talk radio is anything like here he'd light up the phone lInes for weeks. Bill Buckner x 10.
(Bill's infamy: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=18caPNisP2U. )

Goat's Head Soup- Thiago Silva, Brazil. Should've been given a red card against the Dutch in the first few minutes, that after missing Germany for double yellows The second yellow was a moronic goal keeper interference move that even a blind ref would have to call. Plus more failure to organize defense against Dutch and he being their main guy.
Edited by Tog - 7/14/14 at 11:32pm
post #822 of 1284
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Originally Posted by tylrwnzl View Post

Play defense?
Yes, realize that not every team can afford to go out and attack, play offensive, but I did not expect it from Argentina. It almost worked for them since they created more chances. I believe that ball possession at the end of first half was 70:30.

Agree with David Luiz critics, his clearance on the second Dutch goal was something a rookie would do - 'cleared' the ball to about the penalty spot. I find a lot of these big time defenders to be a tad bit over rated. Most play in bog clubs where they dominate possession, they rarely have to really defend that much. Somewhat unrelated, but that's how I have felt about Pique and Ramos for a long time. Especially Pique, he profited from Barcelona's high press and possession, would occasionally pick up a long ball and look good with his great for a defender on the ball skills. Haven't seen David Louiz enough, but seems like he may fall into similar category. Having said that he was occasionally left high and dry by his full backs who like to push up, but do not necessarily always get back. Brazil also played direct a lot, which is very unlike them, which meant that they conceded possession easily at times. I also meant to mention that both brazil CBs are comfortable on the ball and tend to bring it into the opponent's half at times. This can be great for ball possession, but can result in a lot of defensive scrambling if the ball is lost, depending on where the defensive mids are.
post #823 of 1284

What are everyone's thoughts in the Suarez move to Barca?  Will it end up biting them in the ass, or will he deliver for them even better than he delivered for Liverpool, which was pretty damned good:dunno  Is Liverpool better off with the money than with Suarez?:dunno   I have to think that if he had been suited up the whole season Liverpool wound have won Premiere League running away.

post #824 of 1284

He is a great player and I think will do well for any team he plays for.  I can see him easily getting close to 30 goals in La Liga.  Liverpool got a good chunk of change and should be able to get a decent replacement.  I agree w/ the statement that Liverpool would have probably won the league had Suarez played the whole season.

post #825 of 1284

Suarez is also slated to miss the first how long of the season? Plus he's a ticking time bomb. He's bitten people what 3 times in four years + his suspension for racist comments. One of these days he's going to be facing an entire season ban. 

post #826 of 1284
He had put Liverpool in a horrible position on more than this occasion so he had to go, and Barca is a great fit given all the punters have been going on about the end or an era yada yada yada. If he can keep his head down, stick to football, he might just get the right type of rep as a player for his legacy (albeit he will always be a great trivia question on biting, right up there with Ozzy and Tyson).

Personally I couldn't stand to have a guy that bites people on a club I follow, disgusting and embarassing but there is no denying his talent. Barcelona will enjoy that talent.

Who does Liverpool get for the cash to replace all that goal scoring?

Was Messi really the player of the tournament? I thought maybe Schweinsteiger would have been a better choice.
post #827 of 1284
isnt there something in his new contract about biting?
player of the tournament? could give it to Robben.
post #828 of 1284
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isnt there something in his new contract about biting?
player of the tournament? could give it to Robben.

 

He loses 3 million pounds (of about 10 million) if he bites anyone. 

post #829 of 1284
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isnt there something in his new contract about biting?
player of the tournament? could give it to Robben.

Suarez's new look for the upcoming season

 

post #830 of 1284

Even Diego Maradona came out and said Messi didn't deserve it and that it was all a marketing ploy by Adidas since they're major FIFA sponsors and Messi is their big athlete. Messi didn't appear to agree with it either when he accepted the trophy. I think James Rodriguez should have won it. Maybe a bit of a homer pick, but Keylor Navas was a very large part of Costa Rica's cinderella story. Played well enough for Bayern Munich to allegedly sign him to back-up or compete with Neuer (BM has said they're not interested, his current club Levante's VP has said he's been transferred. Bit of an odd move if it is true anyhow). 

post #831 of 1284
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Agreed, and the best team won.

 

I can't help feeling that those missed goals were also missed opportunities to draw the general American public and sports media further into the game. "Argentina Wins High Scoring Thriller Three Goals To Two" would have done wonders for soccer's "boring" image in the US.

 

 

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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

Well. Maybe maybe not. If you can't appreciate soccer for what it is, don't bother. Perhaps the general American public should figure it out.

 

I have never understood why people claim that changing the low scores would change peoples perception of soccer. Hockey is low scoring too but that's never a complaint from people.

 

The bigger issue is that people don't really understand why they will pass the ball around in the middle for 5 minutes before making a go at the goal. It's the lack of constant forward progress I think rather than low scoring goals people just can't accept the idea of passing backwards.

post #832 of 1284

For sure not Messi.  I thought it was between Robben and James Rodriguez.  How about Pogba for the young player, Platini had his hands all over that one.

post #833 of 1284
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I have never understood why people claim that changing the low scores would change peoples perception of soccer. Hockey is low scoring too but that's never a complaint from people.

 

The bigger issue is that people don't really understand why they will pass the ball around in the middle for 5 minutes before making a go at the goal. It's the lack of constant forward progress I think rather than low scoring goals people just can't accept the idea of passing backwards.

post #834 of 1284
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Originally Posted by lonewolf210 View Post
 

 

 

 

I have never understood why people claim that changing the low scores would change peoples perception of soccer. Hockey is low scoring too but that's never a complaint from people.

 

The bigger issue is that people don't really understand why they will pass the ball around in the middle for 5 minutes before making a go at the goal. It's the lack of constant forward progress I think rather than low scoring goals people just can't accept the idea of passing backwards.

 

The comment was made with respect to the sector of the American market who believe that the scoreline is directly related to the enjoyment of the game. Despite the huge participation in soccer, parts of the US media is stoutly resistant to the game, almost to the point of deliberate ignorance. I can't help but feel that soccer has only one chance every four years to change this misconception, but soccer keeps producing tense defensive battles that only the already converted can enjoy. The very format of the World Cup is destined to produce these types of games. If only we could take the brief moment of attention and reward it with a free flowing, open game, full of chances, and yes, goals. Then, maybe the US might take that final step to learn the nuances of the beautiful game.

 

It takes just one kiss to fall in love, but it has to be a great one.

post #835 of 1284
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Originally Posted by MrGolfAnalogy View Post

The comment was made with respect to the sector of the American market who believe that the scoreline is directly related to the enjoyment of the game. Despite the huge participation in soccer, parts of the US media is stoutly resistant to the game, almost to the point of deliberate ignorance. I can't help but feel that soccer has only one chance every four years to change this misconception, but soccer keeps producing tense defensive battles that only the already converted can enjoy. The very format of the World Cup is destined to produce these types of games. If only we could take the brief moment of attention and reward it with a free flowing, open game, full of chances, and yes, goals. Then, maybe the US might take that final step to learn the nuances of the beautiful game.

It takes just one kiss to fall in love, but it has to be a great one.

I get that I have just never understood it. As far as the one chance to convert people I would argue that despite the lost the US-Belgium game did that. That was one of the most exciting games I have seen in terms of just straight up drama
post #836 of 1284

Soccer fails here because the sponsors don't support it enough.  The sponsors here don't support it enough because they hate the continuous format of the game with no TV time outs except at half time.  I kind of got the vibe that the water breaks were due to sponsor pressure more than the actual concern for the players.  Expect more "water breaks" when they are playing in Qatar. 

 

That said I've always liked soccer here being a fringe element thing.  I like being able to afford and access tickets to most games on short notice.  I just wish the NASL team here played in a closer venue.  They are about 30 minutes away so that is still manageable if I want to go catch a game.

post #837 of 1284
30 minutes? How much clocer could they get? people spend 30 minutes getting on a train or out of a parking lot.

The water braks were ordered by a court. Did sponsors bring the case to court?
post #838 of 1284

Courts don't order anything without a someone filing a request or a petition or charges or whatever.  You can bet that whoever got that allowed (first time in world cup history right?) was a big hero to the sponsors.  Makes no difference if it were coaches, players, or medical staff it means millions to sponsors and to the networks that own the TV time.

 

The best air time isn't at half time while everyone's away from the TV in the bathroom or kitchen.  The best air time for commercials is right in between plays.

post #839 of 1284
The Brazil Player's Union sued Fifa over the water breaks. they had also sued over the start times in middle of day being too hot.
post #840 of 1284
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Originally Posted by MrGolfAnalogy View Post

 

 

I can't help feeling that those missed goals were also missed opportunities to draw the general American public and sports media further into the game. "Argentina Wins High Scoring Thriller Three Goals To Two" would have done wonders for soccer's "boring" image in the US.

 

I think this is why the US will never truly "get" the beautiful game, though viewing figures are encouraging. The final wasn't the greatest exhibition but then they rarely are given teams actually have to be pretty well drilled to get there. I'd make a case for the Netherlands- Argentina game being a "better" game than the German demolition of Brazil given it wasn't done and dusted inside 30 mins and we got to see Mascherano give a masterclass in defensive play, cagier by far. 

 

The game has no need to change to "convert" the US, the whole world "gets" it outside the US, and with a rising Hispanic population the US will organically shift its tastes anyway.

 

Isn't there also a fair amount of hypocrisy when it comes to boring if baseball fans regard a no hitter as a pinnacle of the sport? Basketball - high scoring but individual baskets are almost meaningless and the spectacular happens 20 times a game.

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What are everyone's thoughts in the Suarez move to Barca?  Will it end up biting them in the ass, or will he deliver for them even better than he delivered for Liverpool, which was pretty damned good:dunno  Is Liverpool better off with the money than with Suarez?:dunno   I have to think that if he had been suited up the whole season Liverpool wound have won Premiere League running away.

 

Nah - Liverpool would have won the league if tactics had been adapted to match Mourinho in parking the bus against Chelsea at Anfield, or they'd had a better centre back than Koulo Toure.  It wasn't lack of goals that cost the title. Hopefully there will be one superstar emerges from the 4 or 5 signings they'll make with the money  - Lukaku, Bony, Reus all rumoured.

 

Re Luiz, he used to have a bit of reputation for running round like he was controlled by a toddler on a playstation but had largely overcome that the past season to be regarded as a keystone of Chelsea's "pragmatic" defensive football, the above referenced bus parking.  This all seemed to go awry for Brazil as he got carried away with being a libero


Edited by fatbob - 7/17/14 at 3:21am
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