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post #781 of 1284
Well Pele played for the NY Cosmos.
Does that mean Messi will have to go the MLS at some point ??
Brazil fans will probably get worse since all they have is the past. The espn radio announcer described their performance during the game as the " worst defending I've ever seen in the World Cup".

The thing about this world cup- if Ghana wasn't such a mess off the field with all the crap that went on, they might be in the final. What a mess. Given that it's amazing what they could do.
post #782 of 1284

If Messi is still able to walk after his value in the Euro leagues has declined enough due to age we may very well see him in a MSL jersey someday.  I enjoy having a NASL team somewhat close by now and would welcome a MSL franchise.  Problem is that they would likely play in Charlotte and that is quite a trek from here to go see a ball game. 

 

if the Railhawks could move to the Durham Bulls stadium I would be a VERY happy camper.

post #783 of 1284

By the way, in lieu of flags, and not having one from either country playing Sunday I have hung an Argentina jersey and a Germany jersey in the front living room window that are clearly visible from the street just to show the neighbors we are in the spirit here at our house.

post #784 of 1284
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Brazil fans will probably get worse since all they have is the past.

 

Although I don't like the way Brazilian football is managed, neither this particular generation of athletes (with a few exceptions), I don't think that is a very accurate statement.

 

In the last 20 years, Brazil won 2 World Cups, 4 America Cups and 4 Confederation Cups.

Last time Germany won a World Cup was in 1990 (24 years ago), and last time Germany won a Euro Cup was 1996 (18 years ago)

Last time Argentina won a World Cup was 1986 (28 years ago), and last time Argentina won an America Cup was in 1993 (21 years ago)

 

The last 2 World Cup winners (Italy ans Spain) didn't even pass the qualifiers this year (Italy for the second time consecutively)

 

Football is definitely very cyclical, Brazil had an historical defeat, and must lick it's wounds and plan the long term.

But the yellow jersey will always be one of the greatest ones around.

post #785 of 1284
Good point about be twenty year record.
However.... That's like talking about past Yankee championships instead of what the current team is like. If the team on the field is not good, then it's not good. The obsession with the exploits of the past seems to cloud a lot of fans' perception of the team.
They beat Croatia and Cameroon to get out of the group. Hardly powerhouses.

Germany is on the way up after a long period of rebuilding No doubt Brazil will field a better team. The disturbing thing is what happened in that last one. Both Spain and Portugal got beaten badly. Neither were either clueless or gave up. That's the disturbing thing about Brazil's performance, not that they lost.
post #786 of 1284

I think this experience could result in changes that lead to better Brazilian teams in the future.

 

The current German team is a product of the disappointing performance in Euro 2000. The German federation reorganized its youth development system and they continued to push for more coaches to get UEFA certification (i.e., pushed coaches to get more training). Now, the Germans are a solid team with a deep bench and good coaches.

 

Brazil could do the same if they handle things well.

post #787 of 1284
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However.... That's like talking about past Yankee championships instead of what the current team is like. If the team on the field is not good, then it's not good. The obsession with the exploits of the past seems to cloud a lot of fans' perception of the team.
 

 

World Cup soccer does not have the built in parity that sports like the NFL does. I think it is highly unlikely that a team that has not already won the World Cup can or will win it in the near future. The fans of teams like Brazil, Manchester United and the New York Yankees have a right to be optimistic, despite a current run of bad form. Their history proves that they have the resources to succeed again. Like wise other teams historical lack of success proves they don't.

 

In recent years the World Cup has seen two new winners with France and Spain. Both wins overdue given the backing of the home leagues that fuel their international programs. I believe all the teams capable of winning the World Cup have now done so and they will just keep swapping titles until the Dutch finally get it together.

post #788 of 1284

Nobody that has recently won or not won has the chance to win it again soon because it only happens every FOUR YEARS.  There are really five chances every two decades.  So, saying  team hasn't won it it twenty years isn't nearly as horrible as saying a team hasn't won the world series in forty years. 

post #789 of 1284
Yeah I'd agree. If Ghana could get their act together they could win. But that's like saying "if no one was fighting in Africa then..."

So, who wins first again Spain or Brazil?

The Dutch seem a lot closer to winning their first than England winning again.
Edited by Tog - 7/12/14 at 6:40am
post #790 of 1284

The US wins one before England does again. 

post #791 of 1284
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The US wins one before England does again. 

 

I think you may be right. the English national team has become a victim of the success of the EPL. If anyone, the US potentially has the resources to rise to the top. Manchester City have proved that throwing endless money at soccer can produce a champion out of a history of failure.

post #792 of 1284
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The US wins one before England does again. 

 

I think you may be right. the English national team has become a victim of the success of the EPL. If anyone, the US potentially has the resources to rise to the top. Manchester City have proved that throwing endless money at soccer can produce a champion out of a history of failure.

 

This post from The Daily Mash (British version of The Onion) put it well:

 

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THE international community is working to stop America getting into football and beating everyone.

After the World Cup caused stirrings of enthusiasm for ‘soccer’, FIFA officials told the US that football hates God and that all the players have gay sex with each other.

A FIFA spokesman said: “America is a huge, rich and ethnically diverse county. If they decide to get serious about football the rest of us are f****d.

“Imagine, a mix of Latin American, European and African footballers all on the same well-funded team? Every other nation would be crushed like bugs.

“It’s in everybody’s interest to keep them thinking soccer is just for kids to take their MILFs to.

“So if an American asks you to explain the rules, say that the winning team gets to sodomise the losers and then burn their flag.

“Then add that most of the money made in soccer goes towards anti-gun campaigns and that David Beckham rides a push-bike.”

American Joe Turner said: “There’s something wrong with the World Cup, in that we never win it.

“It’s like there’s an alternative universe where we’re not always the best at absolutely everything, and it scares me. Thank God for Hollywood.

post #793 of 1284

And the Brazil defense has collapsed already!

post #794 of 1284
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And the Brazil defense has collapsed already!

Their midfield just stands and watches. It's really weird.

post #795 of 1284

OK so I'm hearing crazy talk coming out of Brazil like they are now trying to impeach their President because they didn't win the World Cup???   REALLY???  And I though we had all the bat shit crazy people here in 'Murika!

post #796 of 1284

How many mistakes can the official make in one play?

 

Offside

Out side of the box

Should have been sent off

 

An early goal to the Dutch seems to make it all even,

post #797 of 1284
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How many mistakes can the official make in one play?

 

Offside

Out side of the box

Should have been sent off

 

An early goal to the Dutch seems to make it all even,

 

 

Now Oscar gets booked for diving on one of the few occasions it should have been a penalty. It's almost as if Robben set the ref up for the call. Thank goodness this goon isn't in charge of the final.

post #798 of 1284
Well there you go, 3-0 for the Dutch. Ref calls all over the place.

The Dutch annoyed me so much at one point for constantly loosing the ball in the attacking zone that i nearly rooted for Brazil. Van Persie has semed useless in the last few games. Despite all they prevail. David Luiz has been a disaster on defense for Brazil, and Silva should have gotten a red card! A shambles.
post #799 of 1284
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Now Oscar gets booked for diving on one of the few occasions it should have been a penalty.


Agree.  That was a PK foul for sure..

post #800 of 1284

Here's my finals prediction; The Germans win 2-1 in regular time.

 

Argentina scores in the first twenty minutes in a moment of brilliance from Messi.

 

The Argentinians try to shut the Germans down but sit too far back and allow the Germans to gain control of the midfield. At round the sixty minute mark the Germans break through with a goal from Muller. Within five minutes he scores a second as the Argentinians fail to react. The Germans now shut the game down and the Argentinians are never able to mount any significant pressure.

 

Anyone else care to stick their neck out?

post #801 of 1284
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Here's my finals prediction; The Germans win 2-1 in regular time.

 

Argentina scores in the first twenty minutes in a moment of brilliance from Messi.

 

The Argentinians try to shut the Germans down but sit too far back and allow the Germans to gain control of the midfield. At round the sixty minute mark the Germans break through with a goal from Muller. Within five minutes he scores a second as the Argentinians fail to react. The Germans now shut the game down and the Argentinians are never able to mount any significant pressure.

 

Anyone else care to stick their neck out?

 

Minus naming a specific German player thats about how I was thinking it will play out as well. Although I'd kinda like to see Messi win it, he seems like a genuinely good guy. 

post #802 of 1284

I will predict this though; if Argentina wins, there will be some conspiracy about the pope being from Argentina. Especially with the referee being Italian (and thus I'll take a guess by stab of probability Catholic) and already accused by the Belgians of favoring Argentina. 

post #803 of 1284

My prediction..  Scorless at the half.  Midway through the second half Messi is fouled in the box.  Argentina scores.  1-0 Argentina.

post #804 of 1284
The Belgians played a crappy game against Argentina. They could barely complete a pass. They sucked. Argentina didn't need a conspiracy to win. If there's any conspiracy, Argentina paid the Belgians to throw the game. Belgians were pathetic. Probably Brazil could've won that day against them.

Messi has been shut down by the Dutch and for the most part the Swiss. He will be desperate in this game to do something though his best chance will be set plays. I don't think he scores, but gets an assist.
Germany 2-1.
I pray for Germany to score first and fairly early so we don't have a scaredy cat defensive crap fest. 2010 was a snoozer, thankfully lost by the thuggish Dutch.
post #805 of 1284
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 Although I'd kinda like to see Messi win it, he seems like a genuinely good guy. 

 

Agreed. From an English perspective neither the Germans or Argentinians would be favored to win. The only possibility of a silver lining would be Messi deposing Maradona, who genuinely not a good guy!

post #806 of 1284
0-0 at half. Germany is lucky they're not down by 2. Germany did have that off the post header.
Pretty good game so far.
post #807 of 1284

:popcorn

post #808 of 1284

Feel like I'm watching Germany-Italy, what with the highly organized D and that blue! 

post #809 of 1284

NICE SHOT!!!

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NICE SHOT!!!

I am SO GLAD it was won with a beautiful play, rather than a pk (or a bunch of them, for that matter).

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