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post #1 of 35
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Gonzo mentioned wine.
Here's another find for you people picnicing or grilling this summer. A great find for Summertime activities.

2000 Domaine de Fontsainte Corbieres Gris de Gris
It's Rose but don't let that fool you.
very pale pink/coral in color, Very dry and crisp in flavor, hints of strawberry and Violet in the nose and taste. nice light clean aftertaste that lingers just enough. Perfect for that nice salad or grilled veggies. Maybe light grilled trout on your fishing trip.

and the pocketbook breaking price of about $10.00
Chill it and Kill it... (by the way about 60 Degrees, not Ice cold)

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post #2 of 35

you need a radio show. (though if there's one on wine, i'd guess it'd be in your neck of the woods.) my girlfriend, by the way, is most appreciative of your wine info.
post #3 of 35
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you (and girlfriend) are welcome.
There are plenty of wine "experts" up here. I don't have the vast knowledge of too many wines. I just share ones I find that I think exceptional and a great value.
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post #5 of 35
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Why does it matter how old your wine is and how it tastes. I mean aren't you gonna get just as drunk on 10 bucks of vodka as you are on some 100 dollar bottle of fine wine<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why does it matter? It's just as fair to ask if you prefer skiing in thigh-deep heli-ski powder or eastern boilerplate. They're both skiing. And besides... any wine snob will insist, no matter how buzzed they are from swilling fine wines to excess, that they drink wine for the taste, not the alcohol content.
post #6 of 35
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I wasn't going to dignify that comment with a response and now I'm glad I didn't. You did it so much better than I could have.
Wine snob? me? I hope not. I just enjoy them and enjoy sharing.
post #7 of 35
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Actually if we could get over our aversion to "boxed wines" and got to work on a collapsible container that did not leach any flavors into or out of the wine, That would make the perfect wine container for wines that would be consumed in the near future. Most plastics are not truly air tight (as in they allow some oxygen molecules to pass through) however if the wine was to be consumed within a certain amount of time, It would make sense to store it in a container that would collapse and not expose the wine inside to "air" and then a container of wine would last right down to the last drop rather than about a day or 2 if the bottle is opened. maybe a week if you use a product that removes most of the air or displaces the air so the wine does not oxidise. Then you have to get that past the wine snobs. Just like Plump jack is having a hard time selling it's plastic stopper on a 100.00 bottle of wine.
post #8 of 35
Dchan - A little off topic, but I'm curious of your opinion on corks.

I understand that there are something like four types of "cork" widely used.
-real cork
-cork center with a "composite" edge
-cork center with a plastic edge
-100% plastic "composite"

Which are better?

Real cork doesn't alter the taste a great deal, but can dry out and/or rot. I've smelled one that had gone bad Phewwwwww!
Plastic ones don't dry out as quickly, but affect the wine's taste.

I guess it's a bit of a trade off?<FONT size="1">

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post #9 of 35
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my opinion, go plastic. except that it would take away my source of corks for making trivets. however I do like the "romance" of the corks...

In a blind tasting of bonnie Doon red (where they had some aged with plastic, some with real cork, most of the tasters prefered the ones with plastic stoppers. (can't really call them cork can we)
Same with Plump jack. blind tasting. crown top plastic seal won over the natural cork. in taste.

If anyone ever had a bad cork, I hope they sent the wine back! even the best wines stored properly can have a cork rot problem. Funny thing is it doesn't seem to follow any pattern. a case of wine stored in same conditions with corks from the same batch/tree, one bottle wine may go bad due to a "bad cork" the rest may be fine. I guess if you like the gamble of organic stoppers (compared to stability of synthetic stoppers) fine. but when that one expensive impossible to find wine goes bad... you might be convinced that synthetic is the way of the future...
post #10 of 35
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oh yeah, there are several other versions of cork.
Reconstituted cork (usually from scraps of the original cork) with "virgin" cork laminated on the end where contacts wine,
fully reconstituted cork

synthetic stoppers with virgin cork laminated on the end.

very inexpensive lower quality cork with very high quality cork laminated on the end.

The list goes on and on.
post #11 of 35
Why does it matter how old your wine is and how it tastes. I mean aren't you gonna get just as drunk on 10 bucks of vodka as you are on some 100 dollar bottle of fine wine.
post #12 of 35
The problem with plastic corks is that nobody knows for sure how they'll behave after 10 or 20 years. However unlikely, it might turn out that they damage the wine somehow.

I think you'll see most wines intended to be consumed within the first 5 years bottled with plastic corks and real cork will mostly be used for marketing cachet. The plastic is both cheaper and more reliable. There's nothing worse than opening a bottle where the cork has failed and let oxygen (and nasty bugs) in. Expensive wines intended to be cellared for decades will use genuine cork 'til there's 20 or 30 years of data on plastic corks.
post #13 of 35
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then there's the real high end wineries that make world wide trips, top off and recork your wine for you.
post #14 of 35
I remmeber an article in the paper a few years ago where Chataeu LaFitte Rothchild was coming around and were replacing corks on their older wines. They only expect the corks to last about 20 years.

Wine that is corked, that is that has the musty flavor from the mopld is really rank. So far, I've had good luck with the synrthetic corks. I like those better than the real cork with the plastic/wax disc on top.

I'll toast to more research.
post #15 of 35
This thread reminds me of the time that I used to pick apricots in France to finance my biking vacations there. I was working near a little town called Nyons in the Rhone valley. We used to go to buy wine right at the farmhouse of the 'Domaine de Treilles'.

The customary way to buy wine for the locals was to take a 2 Gallon 'bonbon' (collapsable plastic container) which would then be filled using a nozzle similar to the ones used to fill up your car with gas. I only found out later that this was a price winning wine, and considered one of the best of the 'Cotes Du Rhone'
post #16 of 35
Ok Dchan, once again. if you are bored can you check out http://www.spiritsusa.com/pages/page...&skiplogin=yes

you will have to click on in-store/newspaper specials.

Noticed there are some nice boxed wines too

The local store is having an Italian wine sale. I know nothing about Italian Wines. Perhaps something wil catch your eye. Thanks.<FONT size="1">

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post #17 of 35
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don't recognize any of Italian producers but the atlas peak Sangiovese is pretty nice and an Italian style wine.
the Hess Cab 1997 is a good price at 27.99 but it needs cellar time, like 7 years!
and that mouton Rothschild 78 would be a steal if you were in the market for a 200.00 bottle!

I would be interested in what the
ROSET DOLCETTO D'ALBA is like and the PHILIP STALEY MOUVEDRE are like but I have not tried either of these producers.
post #18 of 35
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>The local store is having an Italian wine sale. I know nothing about Italian Wines<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would buy both of these in quantities that would make the rear bumper drag on the ground. You won't find better red wine values. Robert Parker's Wine Advocate newsletter (that doesn't take advertising so it's objective) rates both of these in the high 80's on a 0 to 100 point scale. They're probably the best values in that liquor store.

Monte Antico is a medium-bodied Tuscan wine that I use as my everyday wine. At $7, you simply can't go wrong.

Notarpanaro is a full-bodied red from an obscure town in southeastern Italy. They cellar it for 5 or 6 years before selling it so you'd probably be buying a 1996. I have a few cases of it. At $10.50, this is also a really good deal.
post #19 of 35
Dchan $200.00? best be a really BIG bottle of wine. Budget buster for sure.

I have printed your and GeoffD responses, off to the store later for some shopping.
post #20 of 35
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Sorry only a 750ML but if it was aged properly it's probably extremely good. you are correct though. It's out of my price range too!
post #21 of 35
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Thanks GeoffD
I'll have to check them out. (like I have spsce for more wine. Ha )<FONT size="1">

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post #22 of 35
GeoffD. Went to the store searching for MONTE ANTICO ROSSO, I should have know it was the only empty bin. Seems like lots of folks agree with you. They did find a couple of bottles for me in the back.

Picked up some of the Notarpanaro a '94.

Dchan also bought a bottle of the PHILIP STALEY MOUVEDRE.

This may also be a sign a change of seasons, shopping cart filled with reds.
post #23 of 35
Yeah, it'd be '94. I just sorted through what I have lying around in my flatlands abode (no basement so I only store what I'll drink). I had a few bottles of '93 Notarpanaro and a bunch of '94 I'd bought over the last few months. I just drank my last bottle of Monte Antico last night. Need to stock up if I can find any. I just hit the New Hampshire State Liquor Store site and it's vanished from their list. Good quality sub-$10 red wine is hard to find.
post #24 of 35
Only buy what you can drink eh? since you have already told us you have a few cases of the Notarpanaro that could be a lot. My kinda guy.
post #25 of 35
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Sounds like you are a more "serious" consumer than I.
post #26 of 35
We entertain a lot... lots of dinner parties on weekends in the winter. We're on diets at the moment so the wine consumption has dropped off quite a bit. Too much high living, too much sitting in an office, and too little skiing.
post #27 of 35
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yeah GeoffD
we entertain a lot too but most of my friends are light weights. 1 bottle or 2 bottles goes a long ways with our regular group. my wine tasting buddies on the other hand. dinner for 6 means 4 bottles of wine with them
post #28 of 35
My friends all drink as much as I do. I always plan on 1 bottle of wine per person. Killington people all have season passes at the Betty Ford Clinic. We grew up drinking mixed drinks from Ball mason jars at the bars. Everybody I know has a 12-pack of microbrew in their car in the parking lot and the first beer break is often at 10:00 or so. We all have preferred parking spots so the car is only a few hundred feet from the liftline. Maybe it's bad for the liver but it's very social and it only happens on weekends. When you ski bumps and woods, you burn the alcohol off quickly.

My girlfriend's something of a lightweight. A bunch of us were tailgating in the Killington parking lot next to the ganjala the first weekend in May. I was mixing my usual spring 10-count Cuervo & Grand Marnier Margs in those 16 oz red plastic cups. My GF had two and then had a Hard Lemonade on the roof of Cooper's Cabin... the hiking cabin on the Long Trail near the top of the mountain. 'Bout 2/3 of the way down poaching a closed-for-the-year bump trail, she announces "I'm drunk" and somehow manages to roll, skid, and tumble to the parking lot. I left her passed out on two directors chairs with a bunch of my friends while we went to go poach some more closed trails. The next morning, it was somehow my fault that she got drunk. Go figure.
post #29 of 35
My "house red" this summer has been an Argentinian blend: Graffigna 60% Syrah 40% Cab (or maybe the other way around), $7.99. Good stuff.
post #30 of 35
Ok again GoeffD, Dchan and others more Knowledgeable than I, http://www.spiritsusa.com/pages/page...&skiplogin=yes

French wine sale, if you have the time click the newpspaer/in-store specials and see if I am missing out on anything.
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