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post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
I'm going to try to improve my skiing skils through skating. My main problems are that I still step my turns and I rotate on turns GS size and bigger turns. What can I do on skates to unlearn this bad technique?
post #2 of 7
What do you mean "rotate" on GS turns? I have found in my limited few days on my skates that you have to "steer" them or they will not turn. (or are you on regular skates not inlines) tipping them only does not seem to do it. (how could they, there's no arc built into the skates unless you bought the kind with concentric axles and set the wheels at different heights) I found if you tip and steer (both feet) at the same time then they come around very nicely. Remember that they are skates not skis. the biggest advantage I'm finding is my fore/aft balance is improving a lot. I'm not making nearly as many gross adjustments to stay centered on my skates.<FONT size="1">

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post #3 of 7
NtB,

I would bet that you are aware enough, of your body position, that just knowing that you do this will allow you to correct it. However, a couple of things to pay attention to would be your hand position and your foot position (lead - a lot of skaters lead with the outside foot - don't.). Also think about the fall line, and treat it the same way you would if you were on skis (think slight counter).

I think, that with your skiing skill, you'll be able to overcome it in about 2 minutes if you just pretend you are skiing.
post #4 of 7
Nord

Wow, you ski at Stevens too. When are you moving back to Montana?

What is your skiing background? How much coaching have you received in the past. What level of coaching/teaching have you been 'subjected' to?

I assume by 'rotate' you mean using your upperbod for turning force. If I am wrong...oh well.

The goal: to develop a "strong inside half" of the body (hand/shoulder/hip/knee/foot). Natural forces give the outside half plenty of drive. When we keep the inside half strong the whole body goes together,in balance.

Skate at the course/turn. Lead through the first turn with your inside shoulder. Once through, square up with the next turn, then lead through with your inside shoulder.

This should not lead to a twisted position, but merely keep your outside from getting ahead or inside from falling behind.

Keep the turn/square-up/turn rhythm until you begin to feel some benefits, then work on smoothing it all together without the separations in timing.

Once this comes together, work the 'leading' into a more dynamic 'driving' feel.

I'm not sure how it would work on flats while skating through turns, but on a hill of any pitch or a section of speedy-non-skating turns it will work well.

As for stepping. I am not sure what you mean, as there are many steps and many different things people call "stepping my turns."
Here are a couple goals which can help with all sorts of stepping.

Goal: Maintain equal/similar "edge" angles through turns and especially transitions from turn-to-turn.

Goal: Develop a "legs crossing under" the body through transitions instead of a "body crossing over" the legs.

If you like this stuff I can try to get more specific. If it is too talky or in some other way insufficient for your use let me know and I will cease the feedback.

SA
post #5 of 7
Thread Starter 
dchan
By rotating I mean my upper body gets over rotated at the end of the turn. I'm dropping my arm/shoulder at the end of the turn.

JohnH
What's going on, is I used to run gates or race about every time I went skiing. Now that I not in the gates so much my technique is getting crappy (for me at least). There is no gate for me to inside arm clear so the body position is getting pretty lax. Short turns body position is pretty good. I saw some video of me skiing GS the other day and was just amazed how bad I was skiing. Inside ski too far advanced, dropped inside hand/shoulder at end of turn, with too much of a lateral slightly diverging step. (Now I know why my hands are dragging on the snow on the real steep soft stuff.)
So I want to overwrite some of the bad motion patterns that I have developed.

Roto
I ski at Stevens weekends and Snowcrummie pass during the week. I'm moving back to Montana when I get sufficient funds. Skiing background: skiing since age 5, a couple of years of USSA racing in High school, college racing, and 4 years of pretty serious adult league racing. Had decent coaching in High school, a few clinics since then but that's it.
I think the rotation thing might be part of the diverging (skate) step that shows up in my turns. The rotation may just be a lame slacker move that has snuck into my skiing. The step is an artifact of old school ski racing technique.
Ideas sound good, basically some of the stuff I should be doing on snow, just do it on skates. I'll probably have to get some faster bearings and wheels to make my skates feel more like skis. So I'll carry speed through turns so I don't skate.

Nord
post #6 of 7
Ah. then what JohnH said.
skate lead and think "counter" at least some.
I'm working on that for everything including my skiing. Not too much lead, not too mucht counter just enough.. (but how much is to much?)
post #7 of 7
If you have had good experience in the past with running gates, do it again. This time with the plastic cones from Target or Walmart with your skates on. As dchan indicated, skates are different than skis. It takes a little more than just "tipping" them over. You have to use steering.

When I teach skate to ski, I start on the flats. When you don't have the momentum or slope of the hill, you will want to rotate, but try to do it with "all 10 toes" pointing the direction you want to go.

Try this if you would like: Set the cones up in a straight line. Get up enough speed and then focus on the toe thing. Then do it again focusing on eyes and hands forward thru the course (body position). You may even want to use poles to simulate ski techniques. If you are up to it, gradually make the cones closer to really get the feet activated. Besure to keep your hands down in front or bring the butt pad. Then you can start with the inclines. Have fun.....
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