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# The Basic Wedge Christie

Because a good picture is worth a thousand words, as instructors we owe it to our students to show them the best demonstrations possible.  We do not demand perfection or   detailed understanding from our students but offering them a clear mechanically accurate image is important.  As a side benefit, your personal skiing performance will improve proportionately to the effort you put into making accurate movements in your lower level demonstrations.

I am assuming here the proper mechanics have been taught and learned in a wedge turn which will progress quite easily into christie turns.

The wedge christie demonstration is a stark contrast to a traditional “stem” christie of the sixties and seventies.  The stem is a defensive braking maneuver where the Center of mass does not flow across the feet, rather it is moved inside the new turn by stemming the foot away.  In contrast the wedge christie demonstrates a constant flow of the Cm between turns in an offensive non braking manner where speed control is derived by progressively steering the skis across the fall line using gravity more than friction to control speed.

As defined in our guidelines the wedge christie is a turn begun in a wedge and matched somewhere after the fall line into a skidded arc.  This presents two challenges for the demonstrator.  First we must match the skis into a skidded arc and secondly we must open from said skidded arc into a wedge while initiating the new turn.  This is where many instructors fail this demo.

While we tend to focus on the match, I find if we can efficiently nail the turn transition the matching becomes  more spontaneous because of the accurate movements begun in the initiation.  Here is where mistakes are made and many times the demonstration becomes a “stem” christie instead of the contemporary wedge christie.   Let’s begin from a skidded arc which the defines the christie.  From a skidded arc there should never be an edged platform created with the down hill ski.  Our skis should flow smoothly from one curved path to another without any traverse!  If the demonstrator gets too far inside the turn finish it causes a platform and traverse which consequently tempts a stem opening.  More accurately, from the skidded arc, the skier should by releasing the turn with both tips turning down hill which open into a wedge without ever engaging the inside edge of the down hill ski to create a platform from which to stem.  So in effect the down hill ski continues it’s skid with it’s direction changed by releasing the edge angle as the new outside ski is simultaneously steered down the hill out of the christie into the wedge position.  The whole demo should be kinda slithery or greasy on the snow.  Our tracks should look like knives spreading butter on bread, with slight edge engagement.  By releasing the downhill ski’s grip on the slope we allow gravity to help pull the tips into the fall line.  Remember the dominant skill at this level is rotary, more specifically foot and lower leg rotary.  Fulcrum turning rather than rotary push off!  While both tips steer into the fall line the outside ski turns at a faster rate than the inside creating a converging position of some degree.

On the spectrum of skill blending from pure pivoting (ie: pivot slips) to pure edging (ie: railroad tracks) this demo should be closer to the middle of the pivoting vs. carving ends of the spectrum.  Having conducted a few level II skiing preps and exam modules this season, I see the majority of candidates over edging this demo and finishing the turns in a traverse and consequently, initiating with a stem.

Let’s look at the description and priorities of a Wedge Christie as defined in our manual:

Slightly faster speed than wedge turns with smaller wedge.

Turn initiated by opening both skis into a wedge with slight extension.

Balance over outside ski

Inside ski changes edge and is steered to match after the fall line.

While these descriptives leave much room for interpretation, if we look at good mechanics and the goal of teaching the movements of parallel turning, it becomes  clear what the most appropriate actions needed are to promote fluid offensive turns.

Slightly faster speed with a smaller wedge.  This descriptive helps to promote a christie holistically.  By simply increasing the speed and/or narrowing the wedge we naturally decrease the edge angle of the inside ski allowing it to be steered much more easily to a match if the skier is in a good body position and using lower leg steering.

Turn initiated by opening both skis into a wedge with a slight extension.  Remember a wedge opening is NOT a stem opening!  If the skier opens into a wedge position with a stem from an edged engaged downhill ski they have blocked the fluid crossover we are looking for in the Centerline demonstrations.  This is a defensive braking movement vs. the fluid offensive “GO” movement of a “release” of the old turn.  The opening should come from both skis skidding in a curved path, to the new outside ski being steered down the fall line to create a wedge opening.  This steering action of the new outside ski should be accompanied by a slight extension of that leg which facilitates the release of the downhill ski which also turns downhill but at a slower rate.

A detailed explanation of flexion is not discussed in our manuals however it should be noted the flexion in the wedge and wedge christie demos should be a lateral movement of the hips to balance against the slight turning forces generated.  This means the outside leg remains rather long while the inside leg is flexed slightly while the skier remains balanced over the outside ski.  This facilitates a slight counter of the pelvis.  Consequently, the subsequent extension is a simultaneous steering and extension from this shortened leg to move with the center of mass over the feet while simultaneously releasing the downhill ski’s grip on the snow, permitting a very fluid initiation into the new turn.  Again, the trigger is the release of the downhill ski's grip permitting inertia to help redirect our mass.

Balance:  The demonstrator moves with skis, to remain over the sweet spot of the skis throughout the turns permitting the most efficient access to rotary, edging, and pressure control movements.

Rotary:  The demonstrator uses a fulcrum turning mechanism to turn feet below a stable quiet pelvis.  The femurs rotate in the hip socket facilitated by a slight flex in the ankles, knees and hips.  This results in an obvious counter at turn completion which facilitates the initiation phase by using the anticipation release of the old turn.

Edging:  The demonstrator uses just enough edge angle to keep the skis on a curved path without excessive skidding.  This allows for maximum guiding efforts from the rotary skill while not permitting an edged platform to be created.  The new turn is initiated with a release of downhill ski’s edge (deflection), complimenting the simultaneous steering & extension of the uphill leg to send the tips down the fall line.

Pressure Control:  The demonstrator uses a fluid and continuous transfer of pressure from one ski to the other through a series of turns.  The weight shift should be passive yet simultaneous with the release movement of the down hill ski rather than any active shift.   Rather than the torso actively shifting out over the outside ski, the skier  releases the pressure built up beneath the downhill ski which begins the new turn and a consequent weight shift to the new outside ski.  As the deflection from the downhill ski is reduced with the release, turning forces are created under the new outside ski simultaneously and the direction is changed.

All of the movements in a good wedge christie are the exact same movements of a good parallel turn and expert skiing! ...and isn’t this the goal?

Edited by bud heishman - 5/1/12 at 6:58pm

Obsolete, wedge christies are. People to ski parallel is what we teach.

Thank you bud.  Its time for me to be thinking about and gearing up for my level 3 exam, and this is an excellent start and worthy of some further consideration and practice in preparation.  dave

People to ski parallel is what we teach, too.

Wedge christie on path to parallel.

appologize english not first language if. not need to my brush yodi up.

Jimmy, We teach people to ski parallel too!  The wedge just gives less adept students the "training wheels" to find the parallel movements with a little extra stability.  The movements should be the same!  When learning to make parallel turns, wedges happen!

All level of skiers use wedges. In a lift line where there is a slight grade unless skiers use their poles to stop. Oh wait that's on another thread.

Thank you Bud, Slider.

I agree.  I've skied (excess of 45 years) with straight skis until this year and I find that many skiers who have only learned on shaped skis may look like Advanced skiers but in most cases are not!  They lack some of the basics which only shows up when they get in over their head.  To become intermediate or advance on straight ski you had to know how to ski (it may not have been pretty, but you knew what to do), shaped skis, roll the ankles and turn easy peasy.  (No offense to the good instructors out there, and my compliments to them as they do teach everything).

Don't get me wrong, I love the shaped ski, but please ensure that all of the basics are taught not just some.  Its the difference between looks and is!

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Originally Posted by bud heishman

The movements should be the same!  When learning to make parallel turns, wedges happen!

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Originally Posted by bud heishman

Turn initiated by opening both skis into a wedge with slight extension.

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The new turn is initiated with a release of downhill ski’s edge (deflection), complimenting the simultaneous steering & extension of the uphill leg to send the tips down the fall line.

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I suspect that the first phrase is one source of trouble. The candidate reads it and can't figure out how to initiate by "opening both skis into a wedge" without some stemming. To get the wedge, the uphill tail gets pushed up the hill.

It is my opinion (which is admittedly worth almost nothing) that more emphasis should be placed on the second sentence. I believe it is more correct - initiate by releasing and allowing the tips to drop downhill and seek the fall line. Don't bother with opening the skis to initiate. The wedge will happen because skiers at this level will tend to steer the new outside ski more than the new inside ski at the top of the turn. Nothing more complicated than that.

I believe the focus should be on the release, not the wedge. To release, allow the COM (and knees and hips) to flow smoothly downhill. Release will happen. Fulcrum steering becomes possible. Tips drop downhill. Outside ski steers a bit more. Wedge happens.

Failure to release is a major cause of the "intermediate plateau." This should be addressed, clearly and explicitly, from the very beginning.

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Totally in agreement here jhcooley!  The first sentence is right out of the PSIA-W tech team exam manual.  I am just trying to interpret it more clearly to help achieve the desired outcome!

In the PSIA-RM description, the turn is initiated "with release of both skis". Don't know where they came up with that lingo except both skis are on their uphill edges just prior to initiation, so you have to flatten both skis to get the tips moving downhill.

Most of the cert candidates I've watched have trouble with wedge christies try to move to the new outside ski too quickly.

Bud,

In the East, some examiners are making a distinction between a "modern" christy and an "American" christy. (IIRC) In the former, the center of mass stays in between the skis above the fall line. In the latter, the center of mass crosses over the new inside ski above the fall line. Your description seems to allow either approach.

I've always understood wedge christies to have matching below, at or above the fall line. The latter used to be called an "advanced" wedge christy.

I've found the concept of "steering both skis into the wedge" has been helpful. This implies that both skis must skid into the wedge opening. Another concept that has helped is that stance width should not change during the transition into the wedge.

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Originally Posted by jhcooley

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Outside ski steers a bit more. Wedge happens.

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Maybe it's semantics, I see the new inside ski steering more in wedge christies. It must in order for the ski tips to increase separation distance. The problem with christies is that wedges don't just happen. How they happen makes a huge difference. It's all these little details in total that makes the christy so valuable for instructors, not just as a means of enabling higher performance parallel turns, but also as a means to understand so many different movements that can introduce inefficiencies.

Bud.    Going back to your first post you speak of brushing out the outside ski and entering into the fall  line. This seems to support teaching a stem that breeds a sequential movement unless the stem doesn't occur. By brushing out both skis equally while extending gently to flatten the skier would find his balance between his skis as he follows through the fall line and the subsequent matching and inside ski manipulation will achieve the desire for outside ski dominance.

Isn't the goal here to teach them to steer a flat ski  ? Using rotation in the hip sockets to get them to  initiate using both feet at the same time  to move into the fall line in balance and the goal of matching self serving while addressing balance over the outside ski.  It seems edging is the lessor skill being taught here as done on green terrain while the tips  entering together at the same time  with similar edging  is the greater skill

The stem .  Not there or not a problem ?

GarryZ,  I don't believe I ever used the word "brushing"? rather I used the word "steering" to elicit rotary from the leg.  I think of steering or guiding as a blend of rotary and edging where the tip turns in and the tail out with the pivot point at the back of the arch.

Your description of brushing out both tails sounds like a bi-stem to me which again is different than a release of the downhill ski's grip with a simultaneous steering of the uphill ski tip into the fall line where both tips go down hill.

You suggest to "steer a flat ski".  I would suggest a perfectly flat ski can not be steered, a very slightly edged ski can be pivoted because of ski design, and a slight degree of edge angle is needed to steer the ski, again blending some degree of edge with some degree of rotary.

In order to stem we need to have something from which to push off.  This anchor leg could be the downhill ski in an up-stem or the uphill ski in a down-stem, or the opposite legs in a bi-stem.  All stemming movements are braking movements.  Conversely, the "release movement" gives in to the pull of gravity and does not cause any braking, in fact, it causes acceleration!  This is the outcome we are seeking.

The movement over the downhill ski and subsequent release and tipping of that knee into the turn begins the inside leg steering movement which facilitates a smooth seamless match.  This same movement with increased momentum will quickly produce a parallel entry.  Again, this is a parallel turn movement!

We must be careful here with our understandings and our piers' understandings of this important differentiation in mechanics because I believe perceptions do not always meet reality and our presumptions are often off a bit from the real goal? Even though we may be using the same terminology!

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Originally Posted by TheRusty

Maybe it's semantics, I see the new inside ski steering more in wedge christies. It must in order for the ski tips to increase separation distance.

Um, mebbe it is semantics. Sorry I wasn't clear. Maybe I am not stating this correctly. I'll try again.

At the beginning of the turn, immediately after release, above the fall line, skiers often tend to steer the new outside ski a bit more than the new inside ski and the tips converge to create the wedge. As the inside ski is steered more (possibly still above the fall line, but not always), the tips increase separation distance, and the skis end up parallel.

As the skier improves inside ski steering as skill level increases, the turn becomes more parallel earlier in the turn. The ultimate goal is to make the inside as active as the outside so that the skis are parallel throughout the turn.

The move is positive in that the COM must move downhill enough to allow the downhill ski to flatten and release, even if the COM remains between the feet. Ideally, both skis will release at the same time, but newer skiers may find the uphill ski releases first and they start steering it first. Still, we want both skis to release and we want both tips to drop downhill. The fundamentals are the same as for a basic parallel turn. We just want the new inside ski to release and steer simultaneously with the outside. Practice and some focus on guiding the new inside ski will allow that to happen.

And, yes, Rusty, I'm aware you know all this. I just may not be stating it well enough.

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Originally Posted by bud heishman

The movement over the downhill ski and subsequent release and tipping of that knee into the turn begins the inside leg steering movement which facilitates a smooth seamless match.  This same movement with increased momentum will quickly produce a parallel entry.  Again, this is a parallel turn movement!

The bold is mine. It may require increased momentum for those just learning it (a fact which is a bit intimidating for the new skier), but as a well-executed pivot slip shows, a parallel entry can be done with no forward momentum at all!

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Originally Posted by jhcooley

Um, mebbe it is semantics. Sorry I wasn't clear. Maybe I am not stating this correctly. I'll try again.

At the beginning of the turn, immediately after release, above the fall line, skiers often tend to steer the new outside ski a bit more than the new inside ski and the tips converge to create the wedge. As the inside ski is steered more (possibly still above the fall line, but not always), the tips increase separation distance, and the skis end up parallel.

Got it. Thanks. Was not visualizing that part.

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Originally Posted by TheRusty

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Originally Posted by jhcooley

Um, mebbe it is semantics. Sorry I wasn't clear. Maybe I am not stating this correctly. I'll try again.

At the beginning of the turn, immediately after release, above the fall line, skiers often tend to steer the new outside ski a bit more than the new inside ski and the tips converge to create the wedge. As the inside ski is steered more (possibly still above the fall line, but not always), the tips increase separation distance, and the skis end up parallel.

Got it. Thanks. Was not visualizing that part.

AS the downhill ski is released while weighted, it slides away from the uphill ski, while the uphill ski's tip is steered toward downhill. The two actions form the wedge shape.

Thanks for the good description Bud

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Originally Posted by bud heishman

Because a good picture is worth a thousand words,

Are there some pictures or video of a properly performed Wedge Christy that could be added to this thread?

How about a video?

Wedge

or two

Wedge christy

Edited by BillA - 4/20/12 at 10:38am

Quote:Originally Posted by bud heishman

" So in effect the down hill ski continues it’s skid with it’s direction changed by releasing the edge angle as the new outside ski is simultaneously steered down the hill out of the christie into the wedge position. "

The stem I referred to is moving the outside ski while neglecting the simultaneous steering of the inside ski. Both skis should be steered to reach the fall line or one is moving from the other which could cause the stem behavior you are working to eliminate.The point is the lack of steered movement of the inside ski into the fall line  alters  the closest  representation of a parallel move into the falline.   I understand your text but my misgivings come from a movement you create away from the point of direction my steering the outside away from the inside while not considering the inside ski steering other than saying it somehow does it by itself. We can establish the medium for good things to occur but human movement makes it come about . Not just gravity and good intentions

Edited by GarryZ - 4/20/12 at 11:25am
Boy, that reminds me, BillA--I need to get my Wedge Christie version of that one finished!

Note that the only difference between those wedge turns and wedge christies--the next natural milestone involving the exact same intent and fundamental movement patterns--is that the skis match (move to parallel) in the shaping phase of the turn. The turn thus ends parallel and, of course, the next turn therefore begins parallel.

So why does the wedge happen, if the turn begins and ends parallel? Note that in the wedge turn video, the downhill edge releases and both skis and legs turn simultaneously into the new turn--just exactly as they do in a parallel turn. But due to the low speed, combined with the embryonic skill level (all three skills--rotary, edging, and pressure control), it is difficult to turn the downhill leg as quickly as the uphill leg, so the wedge develops as the turn begins, naturally, spontaneously, and unintentionally. Low speed is a factor because without significant "G-forces" pulling the skier toward the new outside ski, there is still substantial pressure (weight) on the downhill ski as the turn starts, and that ski also remains somewhat on its uphill edge, even as it releases. The pressure and slight edge engagement combine to create more friction resisting the turning of the downhill ski, while the light uphill ski turns very easily.

Of course, the skier could "solve" the problem by making an "active, early weight transfer"--either shifting his balance to the uphill ski, or suddenly flexing his downhill leg. But both of these options would cause a sudden redirection of the center of mass--the first moving the body uphill (ie., in the wrong direction!), and the second causing an abrupt redirection down the hill. Although there are certainly real situations where these outcomes could be desirable, one of the attributes of the pure basic turn demonstration is the very smooth, continuous uninterrupted "flow" of the center of mass. Any sudden redirection does not belong in these demonstrations. So active weight transfers, while important situational technical options, are errors when demonstrating the "default" movement patterns that wedge turns, wedge christies, basic parallel, and dynamic parallel turns are meant to show.

You could also "solve" the "problem" by making a longer-radius turn, which would not require any active, muscular rotary input. "Patience turns" (initiated entirely by gravity, like a bowling ball rolling across and down the hill) and "pure-carved" or "railroad tracks" on the flats are two examples of such no-rotary-input turns and they can both be fun and good learning opportunities. But again, by definition, basic turns involve the intent to control direction--not just get taken for a ride by gravity or the sidecut of your skis. Because of this requirement, demonstrating these turns (wedge, wedge christie, basic parallel, etc.) demands that we choose to ski a turn radius smaller than our skis will carve by themselves without rotary input. Once you involve active rotary movements, the wedge, and the wedge christie, "happen"!

OK, so why does the matching occur in wedge christies, if it does not occur in wedge turns? Well, wedge christies again demonstrate the milestone in between the first (wedge) turns and basic parallel turns, in both skill development and speed. While the speed may not be high enough and the leg-steering ("fulcrum" mechanism that Bud refers to) skill not sufficiently advanced to turn both skis at equal rates to start the turn, somewhere later in the turn the speed increases and the balance shifts spontaneously toward the outside ski (due to the forces of the turn). As the inside ski lightens--AND the skier leans more into the turn for balance, helping to flatten the inside ski--it becomes easier then to turn the inside ski. So the same steering effort to turn BOTH skis into and through the turn now turns the inside ski more quickly, bringing the skis parallel. Note that "matching" occurs NOT by twisting the inside tail out toward the outside ski, but by pulling its tip into the turn--as the outside ski follows. The result: parallel skis, with still no intentional twisting or pushing of the tails into a skid.

The key point to all this is that the fundamental technical intent of all basic turns--wedge, wedge christie, basic parallel--is the same: turn both skis and legs simultaneously, and at the same rate, into the turn. The intent is the same--basically, a parallel turn--but the challenges due to low skill development and low speed cause the wedge to happen at first, and then to spontaneously vanish as skill, speed, steepness, and confidence increase.

The wedge happens! It is not intentional (for students), and it is certainly not an essential part of the beginner's turn. Strong skiers, like instructors, trying to demonstrate them accurately cannot, of course, become less skillful. But they can certainly use tactics that will tend to cause the wedge to happen without an intentional effort. Very small radius and very complete turns will both keep speed to a minimum and require very active leg rotation to create the turn shape. Then all you have to do is make your very best "parallel turn movements," and a wedge christie (or even wedge turn, if you go slow enough on flat enough terrain) will happen spontaneously.

Any other way of doing is cheating. Try to make a wedge christie at too high speed, and you'll have to fake the wedge--you'll have to do something intentionally different from how you'd make a parallel turn. And that, by definition, is NOT a wedge christie!

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One final thought--as I mentioned earlier, all of these basic turns are fundamentally offensive. That is, they are made to control direction directly, and speed only as a side-effect of direction (ie., if you go uphill, you'll slow down). They all involve, in a very real sense, going as fast as you possibly can on whatever line you choose. If you want to go slowly, you go as fast as possible on a very slow line--completing each turn perhaps even back uphill a bit. (Again, this is not to suggest that we are always, or should always be, "offensive," but simply that these demonstrations are meant to show the technique involved when we are. Other intents would involve different demos.) This is the concept that I've long referred to as "skiing the slow line fast," and good instructors instill a deep awareness of it from the start.

So, in summary, wedge christies are turns made at a very low speed, that begin with opening to a wedge and continue with matching to parallel. To make them accurately, ski as fast as you possibly can and don't wedge, and don't match! Just do it on a slow enough line, with small enough turns, that you can't help but make a wedge christie.

How's that for irony?

Best regards,
Bob Barnes

Bud . I just wanted to explain my misgivings about an outside movement but the focus of flattening the skis after matching does allow for steering into and out of the falline using femur rotation. This so closely resembles an early steered parallel turn and  it's just a little wedge reduction and you have open parallel with out the troubles of stem activity. Having them learn this type of early steering helps them control turn shape on green terrain and added edging sends them around the mountain

I appreciate the content of your text and only wished to clear a small point and not take away from a good presentation.

Here's the difference between "matching," which involves continuously turning the ski tips into and through the turn as in a wedge christie, and "closing," which involves twisting the inside tail out toward the outside tail, typically as the outside skids without continuous steering into the turn.

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Originally Posted by TheRusty

Bud,

In the East, some examiners are making a distinction between a "modern" christy and an "American" christy. (IIRC) In the former, the center of mass stays in between the skis above the fall line. In the latter, the center of mass crosses over the new inside ski above the fall line. Your description seems to allow either approach.

I've always understood wedge christies to have matching below, at or above the fall line. The latter used to be called an "advanced" wedge christy.

I've found the concept of "steering both skis into the wedge" has been helpful. This implies that both skis must skid into the wedge opening. Another concept that has helped is that stance width should not change during the transition into the wedge.

Dunno about examiners, but in the clinics at my hill we refer to those as "beginner" and "advanced" wedge christies (beginner -> skis are parallel after the fall line, advanced -> skis are parallel above the fall line).  Guess we're still behind the times.  :-)  It should be the same movements, just a timing thing on when you more fully release/steer the inside ski to parallel.  I don't think the PSIA-E materials are clear about when the skis have to match.

Our clinicians use the "steer both skis into the wedge" language too.

I think in terms of referring back to what Bud posted from his manual ("Turn initiated by opening both skis into a wedge with slight extension"), the trick here is that you have to extend in the direction of the new turn (by either lengthening the new outside leg, shortening the new inside one, or both).  If you do that while letting the new inside ski release (before and/or more than the new outside ski), it will naturally open your stance and it's easy to keep the skis in a wedge position.  (This is the same thing Kneale was saying in his last post.)

Parallel turns use the same movement, just releasing both skis at once.

Edit: whoa, think BB posted his wall of text while I was writing that.  The right answer is definitely in there somewhere.

His diagram is spot-on in terms of the edging on each foot through the transition.  And he's right about avoiding active weight transfer -- any extension/flexion has to be matched with flattening the new inside ski and tipping the new outside one up, or else your weight will be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Edited by Matthias99 - 4/20/12 at 12:11pm
Center Line described the match before/after the fall line as advanced/beginning. In exams of that era in Central Division, there were two wedge christies determined by where the match occurred.

The two discriptions of matching before or after the fall line have some variation between eras and areas but a minor detail here.

Bob, while I love your graphics of the Wedge Christie, it looks as though there is not much if any skidding in that diagram?  Don't you agree there should be some skidding for the exact reason you posted regarding lower skill development.  Does this level student likely have the fine edging skills?  In fact isn't the definition of a christie "skidding on corresponding edges"?  I feel it is important to show a skidded arc which requires continually turning feet beneath the pelvis into a slight countered position at completion.  As the skills become more refined the skid transforms into more forward tracking and less diagonal slipping or as I like to say going from "slippy" to "grippy" turns.

and thank you for posting your video and graphics!

Quote:Originally Posted by bud heishman

" So in effect the down hill ski continues it’s skid with it’s direction changed by releasing the edge angle as the new outside ski is simultaneously steered down the hill out of the christie into the wedge position. "

GarryZ said:

"The stem I referred to is moving the outside ski while neglecting the simultaneous steering of the inside ski. Both skis should be steered to reach the fall line or one is moving from the other which could cause the stem behavior you are working to eliminate.The point is the lack of steered movement of the inside ski into the fall line  alters  the closest  representation of a parallel move into the falline.   I understand your text but my misgivings come from a movement you create away from the point of direction my steering the outside away from the inside while not considering the inside ski steering other than saying it somehow does it by itself. We can establish the medium for good things to occur but human movement makes it come about . Not just gravity and good intentions"

In my description above I am eluding to a movement of the Cm across the feet triggered by a simultaneous movement.  Both feet have a simultaneous task or role to play.  By extending the shortened uphill leg and twisting or guiding that tip toward the fall line while simultaneously releasing the downhill ski, the forward movement helps both ski tips find the fall line.  The new inside ski is in effect steering toward the fall line, it is not a straight lateral movement from the release. The tip moves into the fall line as the tail follows the tip rather than the tail being displaced downhill in a lateral movement.  I hope this clarifies and puts us on the same page?!

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