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BetaRide 11.20

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Up to now I've always been using my bro's skis: '98 Beta Carves 9.24 (it was sth in the 9.20's anyway...), length 198. As long as I'm on piste they 're real fast, stable, turn easily, but when I take 'em off piste I'm having a real hard time to control them when the pow gets deeper than one foot. So I've decided to buy my own gear and I'm eager to put myself on some 11.20's.

My weight: 75Kg (165 pounds)
My length: 1m80.5 (5"11')

The thing is I need a ski that can handle great speeds on piste (50%), but has good manoeuvrability in pow (50%). After talking to a lot of experts, it seems that the 11.20 would be the ski I need... But Im still in doubt about the length: 180 or 190?

I was told that the 180 would be easier for off piste skiing than the 190 (This I don't get as the 190 should give a better floating because of the bigger surface, no?) On the other hand I'm a bit afraid that the 180 won't go as fast on piste as I'm used to with the BetaCarves 198 length. Comments are appreciated.

An other issue is choosing between the Xentrix bindings, 412 or 614... As I can get 'em at the same price, money is not the issue here. I know that the 614's are heavier than the 412's, but that can 't be the only difference...

As I can 't demo skis here in Belgium as most of you in the US do, I'm asking for advice.

post #2 of 18
I weigh 190 and am 6'1", and I've skied both lengths. I felt the 190 gave me incredible and virtually unnessisary stablity at speed for a public ski slope, at the expense of being a very heavy ski. I was very comfortable on the 180. See my other recent posts.

post #3 of 18
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Thanks for your input RedSled. It seems from other posts that 180 should suffise.

However I don't find any references to the binding issue: Xentrix 412 versus Xentrix 614 and what would the impact of the difference be on the 180 BetaRide 11.20?

Muchos gracias.
post #4 of 18
It all depends on your DIN. Most people should go with the 412
post #5 of 18
There differnce between the xentrix 4.12 and 6.14 besides the din is that the 6.14 has 5 vario-zone postions and the 4.12 has 4 positions. If your familiar at all with Atomic bindings the vario-zone allows the binding to be moved either forward or backward to change the way the ski responds to input. I dont think there is anything else differnt about them.
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
The variozone is quite new for me. But hey, now I know what is : Maybe a last question: Does anyone know the weight of those types of bindings (412 & 614)?
If there's not a big difference it seems clear to me I should go for the 614's.

Thanks guys!!
post #7 of 18
Get the 180 and 412 binding. BTW, have you skied a pair yet? I loved this ski, but it is not for casual skiers. It demands attention and skill. It sounds like it shouldn't be a problem for you, but it is a very expensive gamble if you decide you are less than enamoured with this set-up.
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
I obviously haven 't skied the 11.20 yet as I'm asking around to figure out what I need Anyway I need a ski that challenges me to push my skills forward. If I needed a more casual ski I think I would be looking for Xscreams.

Thanks for your comments.
post #9 of 18

My weight and height are identical to yours. As soon as I can get a decent deal on what is an expensive setup I will be purchasing the 11.20 + 412 in 180cm. I have demoed 170, 180 & 190 lengths and the 180 does all I want it too frontside and backside.

Whats the price for this setup in Belgium in Euros ??

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi Oz,

I'll be buying them in France because the cheapest store I found is the French chain store Décathlon: skis + bindings= 716.50 euro (= 640 USD). In other shops prices even reach 1000 euros. Just plain crazy : I hope you find a cheap set.

post #11 of 18
I'm 5'11 and 175 and love the 180's. They are rock solid and extreamly easy to manuver if your use to a longer ski. Going with the 180's will make your life easier in the bumps, off piste, trees, etc... When I first went down to 180 from Atomic 190 9.26s I thought they was a little turny, after 2 runs I was dialed in and will never go back to 190s. With todays technical advances in ski design, you don't need long skis. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi Scruff,
That's great to hear and exactly what I'm looking for. I've checked my bro's skis and it are 198 BetaCarv 9.29's. And I want the on-piste speed of those combined with off-piste possibilities such as fresh pow and trees for which a shorter length/better manoeuvrability will be appreciated. The 11.20 is clearly the better choice although I've read in several postings that they don't perform too well when put flat on the groomed for a schuss but must be kept on edge. Is that so? :

Still trying to fly
post #13 of 18
after 15 days of assortedt mts and conditions the 11.20's are just an awesome ski.you can do anything and go anywhere with them-but not meant to ski flat,put'em on edge,so you can really feel thier power.short turns-long turns,corduroy,crud,powder-they can handle anything,the faster you go the more confidence you get.
post #14 of 18

Try this euro site. Let me know what the ski + binding (412) price is.

Atomic Skis

post #15 of 18
Trying to Fly,
Don't worry about when you hear that you can't run them stright, that statement applies to all shaped skis anyway. I schuss mine all the time, it's not a problem. The fact of the matter is that nobody really does a stright schuss anyway, there is just too many people and other terrain changes that will make you turn a little here and a little there. The Atomic 10.20's or 11.20s beta rides will make a very long turn and only a very slight edge will be necessary to make them lock into the turn. You should not even be concerned with it.
Try them, you'll love them.
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
Man from Oz,
Yep, 578 Euro is a lot cheaper but then again, I bought myself a pair of 180 11.20's with 412 bindings 2 days ago [img]redface.gif[/img]
Thanks anyway!
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi Scruff,
I bought the skis a few days ago and they look mighty impressive I'll be flying on them through the huge resort of Val Thorens in March : Untill then I'll be waxing them and looking for new boots but I'd better start a new thread on that. Thanks to all of you for your input on the 11.20's!!
Tryin' to fly (in the meanwhile ready for take off)
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi again,

I'm just back from a fortnight Les 3 Vallées in France and had a lot of luck it had been snowing over 3 feet the week before I arrived... Anyway, these are my final thoughts about the 11.20's.

Skiing technique: I was clearly not familiar with the carving techniques and this, together with a stifness/weight I'm not very used to, resulted in the fact that I needed a week to learn to keep these boards under control. The first days I needed to stop in the middle of the afternoon because old school technique wore down my physique. But my skills got challenged, as I wanted it to... The 11.20's need to be carved, while old school technique is possible but is not the overall skiing technique unless you've got the physique of a Scwharzenegger-like muscle boy...

The speed: my main concern was with speed because of the shorter 180 length. I can say without a doubt that this ski can go faster than I 'll ever be able to. They even do it fakie. Nevertheless one detail makes them just not perfect: they must be kept on edges because when put flat they go sideways, inwards, tips start to clutter against each other, and so on... Anyway, I'm already looking forward to go racing with my bro (who has the '98 9.29's 198)

The pow: one day my snowboarding friends wanted to go offpiste because we had fresh pow. I was a bit reluctant as I had had a lot of problems with the 9.29's offpiste, but we went for it: waist deep light fresh powder. After a 100 meters down the slope I stopped to look for the boarders. They were still at the top trying to dig themselves out and watching me grinning my ass off... This is the extra bit of fun concerning the 11.20's that I missed on the 9.29's. Only one negative detail: they don't float but shoot underneath the surface like a pair of torpedo's. This gave me the awkward feeling that I easily could hit something like a rock or a fence burried under the snow...

The bumps: for those who've been in Les 3 Vallées, Le grand couloir (Black slope in Courchevel) and Le chemin du loup (Offpiste trail in Les Menuires). The 11.20's perform well through wide moguls that aren't bigger than a few feet. Jumping through big icy bumps that are close together results in the skis snapping off. Although the DIN was set to 8 and my weigth and boot size need only 5. It seems that when the ski is bent hard between two big icy bumps, something on the atomic bindings releases the ski. Anyway, small or soft bumps are no problem for the 11.20's, big icy or sharp (pointy) ones are because the skis are just too stiff for the job...

Ice and chicken heads: once at speed there is no sense in slowing down with these skis. They just blast through. Only ice boulders of the bigger size, put a stop to them (more like bear heads instead of chicken heads). It's a nice feeling to keep going where others seem to drop speed. Although they don't excell on ice, they're not bad at it either. I 'ld recommend skates [img]smile.gif[/img]

Slushy snow and squishy stuff: this reminded me of waterskiing. When kept at a minimum speed they keep going. The faster they go the easier they blast through.

Final thoughts: If you want to go fast on and off piste in various conditions this is definately it. Be prepared to adapt your technique to the ski because I found them stubborn in the beginning. And oh boy, are they heavy...

DON'TS: ice plains, other than speed crazed skiers, ppl below level 7, park and pipe, big (4 feet) moguls, hiking, putting them flat for a schuss.

DO'S: high speed (faster! no, I really mean faster than that! Look, I can fly!) for blasting through various conditions, groomed, (deep) powder, big arcs and tight turns, normal bumps, fakie skiing and even deheading champagne bottles

Fwiw, I'm happy with my purchase :

Thanks all for your previous input and happy skiing.

Flying since recently
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