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How do BMX 98's compare to Nordica Hell and Back?

post #1 of 11
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Well, the title pretty much sums up the question.  Mostly I'm interested in how they do, comparatively, in a foot or less of heavy chop, ice, tight trees.  I've been on a 185 Hell and Back and loved it but want to know how similar they are to BMX 98's.  Both 98 under foot, no metal, modest early rise.........Seems to me that they should be fairly similar but would like to hear from those who have been on both.

 

Thanks,

 

LT

post #2 of 11

I think the Helen Bach is a stronger so than the BMX98, and will be a bit more versatile in that it has a bit more shape in the tip and tail. Both skis are real nice and 95.64% would be happy on either one. Could the BMX98 be perceived as being a better ski, sure and they would have a valid argument...but it is tough to justify the 30% higher price tag at MAP. 

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Is the Hell and Back a stiffer, burlier board than the BMX 98?  Especially in their longest lengths?

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^^^^ Would qualify Phil's comment insofar as it may depend on your weight and style. You'll notice that lighter skiers here seem to like different skis than heavier skiers, and finesse skiers than power skiers. Yeah, I know it's shocking, but...

 

Have not skied the Hell n back, have owned or skied some other Nordies of similar construction (Burner, Enforcer), own the BMX98 in 178 cm. It's not as damn-the-torpedoes as the MX line (including the old MX98) but still solid, and nicer in bumps, trees, and pow; has same Kastle precise feel. I'm 6', 165, finesse skier, like it more than the Enforcer and I'd guess by extrapolation, how I'd feel about the Hell n Back. If I were 185 and a power type, might well be the inverse. I'd guess, again by extrapolation, that the HnB is stiffer. Think Dawgcatching has reviewed it, and I know he's talked about the BMX98 several places. Suggest a search. 

 

Also note that the brands have a very different feel. Kastles tend to be damp, fair amount of snowfeel, very smooth release tails; Nordies tend to be more energetic, also fair amount of snow feel, more pop in tails. So your own taste comes in here IMO more than which is noticeably superior. They're both great skis, far as I can tell. 

 

 

 

 

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Well, I weigh 215 and tend toward the power, full speed ahead type skiing.........but find myself in tight trees quite a bit.  I've been on H & B and loved them at the Mission demo days.  I own a pair of MX 88's and really haven't fallen in love with them.  I comprehend the feel thing that most folks rave about but not really my deal.  So I'm wondering how similar the BMX 98 is in feel to the MX 88?  Or, by comparison, would the BMX 98 have a similar feel to my old Titan Cronus'  but with rocker?  A ski I really appreciated the Cronus off-piste.  The other question is...which would be the better crud buster H & B or the BMX 98?  All opinions would be appreciated

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Well, I weigh 215 and tend toward the power, full speed ahead type skiing.........but find myself in tight trees quite a bit.  I've been on H & B and loved them at the Mission demo days. 

 

I own a pair of MX 88's and really haven't fallen in love with them.  I comprehend the feel thing that most folks rave about but not really my deal.  So I'm wondering how similar the BMX 98 is in feel to the MX 88? The H&B is lighter, more nimble and stronger torsionally so it has better grip 

 

Or, by comparison, would the BMX 98 have a similar feel to my old Titan Cronus' No

 

The other question is...which would be the better crud buster H & B or the BMX 98?  Close call but the BMX is more damp 

 

The real answer is in the first line. Why demo something, decide you loved it, then dither over your results?

 

SJ

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The real answer is in the first line. Why demo something, decide you loved it, then dither over your results?

 

SJ

 

Because I haven't been on a BMX 98.  FWIW, I did like the 193 Bone as well.  Lot's of sweet sticks in this size class.  I am fortunate enough to get to participate in the Mission Ridge demo days every year and I like to try everything I can get my hands on. 

 

LT

 

post #8 of 11

OK, perfect..............

 

  • You like to demo a ski before you buy it......good idea.
  • Then you demo skis, find one you like but don't buy it.............(???)
  • Then you ask for opinions from folks that don't know you about skis that you haven't demoed.
  • So if opinions from folks that don't know you say "buy the BMX" (that you haven't demoed) are you going to just go buy it?
  • If so, why demo in the first place?
  • If not, why even ask the question?

 

The obvious answer here is to buy the 193 Bonafide b/c they are very easy to get this time of year. Oh.....BTW.....the 193 Bonafide is the best in class......you should go buy one today.

 

SJ
 

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Well, I weigh 215 and tend toward the power, full speed ahead type skiing.........but find myself in tight trees quite a bit.  I've been on H & B and loved them at the Mission demo days.  I own a pair of MX 88's and really haven't fallen in love with them.  I comprehend the feel thing that most folks rave about but not really my deal.  So I'm wondering how similar the BMX 98 is in feel to the MX 88?  Or, by comparison, would the BMX 98 have a similar feel to my old Titan Cronus'  but with rocker?  A ski I really appreciated the Cronus off-piste.  The other question is...which would be the better crud buster H & B or the BMX 98?  All opinions would be appreciated

 

I'm with Jim on this one. But I'll add that that you're also all over the map on what you claim to value. A crud-busting power ski will rarely if ever be as good in tight trees as a more moderate flex maneuverable ski. And I owned a Cronus. Great bump and tree ski. Not a great heavy chop and full ahead ski. Flat scary at speed on ice. The BMX will not have a Cronus feel - it's stiffer and damper - and neither I suspect will the Nordie, which will be stiffer yet and far more powerful. So if you're seeking a Cronus feel, I'd either get a Blizzard Bushwacker, or wait for several skis next season like the Dynastar Outland 87 or the Head Rev 90.


To review:

1) Everyone so far has agreed that the Nordies will be a better power/crud ski than the BMX's. Especially for someone your size. The BMX is no slouch stability wise, but its strengths are more about maneuverability and precision.

2) YOU state over and over again that you love the Nordies. In all the conditions you claim to ski. 

3) The Cronus was nothing like either of these skis, or the Blizzard Bonafide that Jim recommends. (Which is a great ski for bigger guys, incidentally.) It's more specialized. 

4) So if this is really a failure-to-commit thread, then you should give yourself and us a break, and wait until next year, demo some more. Seriously. Let us move on to wasting at-work time on other candidates...

post #10 of 11
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Beyond, fully understand your sentiment.  Owned the Cronus for a year and sold them.  Liked part of their program but not the whole package.  SJ, Do you buy every ski that you like? Or do you like to try most or all in a class before you buy?  I'm not quick to let go of my cash and like to have as much info as possible before pulling the trigger.  The H&B's and Bones were only on my feet for a couple of runs in the conditions that were available that day. I have not had a chance to get on a BMX 98 but there is a pair for sale the gear swap that I might purchase if I hear  from various sources a consistent theme that meets my needs.  I especially like to hear from big guys (e.g. 200lb +) as I've found that what works for smaller guys doesn't necessarily work for heavier guys. (e.g. did not like the Blizz 8.5 at all where DogWatching did)   My experience is that there are some members here who's likes parallel my own and others only sometimes.  I appreciate both of your input on this site and always take it under advisement.  That said, I don't take anybodies opinion as the end of the story.  I like to get info from a variety of sources.  So, if that offends and is a waste of you time then by all means, don't waste you time on this thread anymore.  I would still like to hear more opinions.

 

LT

post #11 of 11

Jabbing at ya, LT, nothing to offend. Seriously, though, if you like the feel of the Cronus, I think you'd like something like the PB&J in 188. Or find a lightly used pair of Ones in the longest length (they feel the most like the Cronus of any ski I know). Or check out the 98-108 Nordicas; they're stiffer and livelier than the Cronus, but still have that carbon-wood feel going on. 

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