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Hey Bootfitting People, When Is It Time to Wave the White Flag?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hi Boot Fitters,


I bought a pair of Rossignol Electras at the end of last season (the black and white model).  My feet measure to be a 23 or 23.5 performance fit and a 24 comfort fit.  I bought the 23.5 size.  I loved the boots but the left toes felt pressed and so the very nice shop that I bought them from punched out the toe.  The punch ameliorated the problem for a while but I started experiencing boot pain again on the left outside of the left foot and toes after a few days.  Another boot fitter did some work with the liner and grinding but the pain on the outside of the foot continued.  A third boot fitting shop then stretched the shell and did more grinding.  I also got custom footbeds, which felt great as soon as I put my feet in the boots.  After ten days of continuous skiing and boot fitting, I came home with a very sore left foot that hurts even now three weeks after the last ski trip. I cancelled a trip to Utah for this last week when all the snow was hitting and that really hurt too.


I've seen a doctor who diagnosed bursitis on the left pinky toe and tendonitis as well as bruising, possibly bone bruising.  He thought that my left boot must have been too tight with too much pressure on the side of my foot.  


So the question is whether I have reached the limit of boot fitting.  Should I just go with another boot that is bigger or has more toe room, or do I try more boot fitting?  I really do love to ski all day and the uncomfortable boots with pain on the side of my foot when I made aggressive turns made that impossible. 


I am afraid that if I start over with a new boot that the same thing will happen.

post #2 of 14

without seeing your foot up close and personal, it is very difficult to help you via the internet.


i can tell you that the that rossi boot has a heel ankle area as big as my head. now i know that you can not see the size of my head...... so you will have to use your imagination......


because that boot is so grossly oversized in the heel/ankle/intstep, i am going to go out on a thin limb and tell you that your problem is not being caused in the toe box, but in the rear of the boot.

the boots fit in the rear does not have much holding power. therefore the front of your foot is being jammed into the narrow curve of the toe box while you are skiing. this is being exasperated by you leaning into the rear spoiler while skiing which shoves your poor little toe into the narrowest part of the boot.


fix could include:


tongue shims

heel lifts

ankle wraps

a new boot that actually fits your foot shape and holds your foot down and back.

a lesson with a ski instructor that can tell the difference between s%$t and shinola.

a better bootfitter than the one that sold you the boots and the ones that have been attempting to discover your problem


good luck,




post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for such an insightful reply even without seeing my poor little toes and foot.  Well you may be correct except that all of the boot fitters have been great.   The last boot fitter did suggest that maybe my poor skiing style was at least partially to blame.  I tend to get the pain most excruciatingly after standing in the boot for at least 40 minutes or skiing steep and deep slushy snow, which probably makes me lean back.  I've never skied steep deep slush with an instructor so I don't know if more lessons would help.


Since you do know that the Rossignol boot has an oversized heel, instep, ankle, do you know which women's boots do not have this feature? It sounds as if I may need to buy a new pair of boots.

post #4 of 14

Jim's advice is spot on and I'll say the three boot fitters may not have been that great or they'd have diagnosed the problem themselves.  Boot fitters and boot punchers are not the same thing.


Start by forgetting performance fit and comfort fit method.  Your foot is a size and only one and the boot that fits that size, holds it firmly in place without needing to be tightly buckled to the point of pain is a reasonable starting point.  Forget about women's or men's boots.  There are only boots and women's boots and most good women's boots are boots painted pink.  The true boots that started as women's boots mostly fit feet the size of Jim's head and perform inversely to the size of Jim's head.


Find a good fitter, measure length, width and determine overall volume and other niceties mentioned in the Wikis above then do some shell fits.



post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the thoughts on boots and fitting.   The problem with the diagnosis resides with me rather than the boot fitters, who could only respond to what I told them and did fix a lot of other issues with the boots.  After all of the work, I remain with only this intermittent pain on the left side that occurs only in certain circumstances.  One of the boot fitters did suggest the reason that I experience pain in certain conditions is due to a tendency to lean back.   So I guess I can avoid that condition next year and look for new boots.  Cheers.

post #6 of 14

Avoiding that position can be all about boot and binding setup.  Again see someone with some alignment skills.



post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

Well avoidance generally never reaps good result but it is not likely that I'll find a lot of steep deep slush in New England.  This is the only year I've ever experienced it, and that was due to the unique circumstance where it snowed about a foot on a Thursday night and then rained on top of that Friday night so the woods were very deep with untouched on Saturday.

post #8 of 14

Which Electra, the RL is in our part of the world the same as a Lange RX LV 100 only 110 flex

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

Electra Pro from 2010.

post #10 of 14

It's a Lange RX100 LV then, not sure i'd agree with the described massive heel and ankle area. 

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

Do you have any thoughts about the characteristics of that boot?  I'm interested in any nuggets of wisdom.

post #12 of 14

TAW - I don't know anything about your boots or your feet, but I do know a little bit about your skiing, and I don't think it's the problem here. My advice, is look at the Fischer Vacuum thread started by SKiing-in-Jackson - not because I think you should be in that boot or anything, but he talks a bit about his boot-fitting process. I wonder if you'll see yourself there at all. Also, I don't know what boot-fitters you have been working with, but when you are up near MRG, you are driving past Bill Haight at GMOL (he is on this panel as GMOLFOOT I think), and you are only 30 minutes from PJ Dewey at Race Stock. Good bootfitters can get it wrong, sometimes it'll take more than one try to get it right. It took me a few times. Right now might be a good time to start dealing with this. The swelling on your feet has to be down by now, but I'll bet you can still see where the damage was from peeling skin or whatever.

post #13 of 14

the boot is a simple design as are all boots in this range (esentially the top range of boots before moving into Nylon Plug Racing Shells.) that said doesn't mean you can't have problems. As mentioned above there are plenty of BF listed on here, if the size and shape is good then I can't see why you'll be having too many issues to present a skilled worker. 

post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 

Maybe part of the problem is that the boot feels great in the shop and I really think it is a great boot.  It hurt until about 2 pm and it is only on the left.  The boot fitter fixed the right perfectly.  So maybe there is hope for the left next season.  Thanks for your insight into the boot characteristics.



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