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post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by DouglySkiRight View Post

 

The same author's original book 'Breakthrough on Skis: How to Get Out of the Intermediate Rut' was extraordinarily good, IMO, but I believe it's out of print.

 

Plenty still out there.


Edited by jc-ski - 4/16/12 at 2:39pm
post #32 of 42
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post

Actually thats the secret, you ski better.  Stroh's 80 rum you don't need much and you literally flow through the bumps, doesn't matter the ski, length, type or age you'll be able to anything! beercheer.gif



That's how it seems TO THE IMBIBER.
post #33 of 42

Sorry let the old Austrian secret slip out....No seriously you flow, no muscle control left what so ever biggrin.gif

post #34 of 42

Here's some 70's techniques that you might find interesting

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqf8flujdZc&feature=player_embedded

 

post #35 of 42

JimB, thanks for that great link. Tripple slalom, I did not know they had such but it looked fun. And the woman was great. Poor girl falling like that but guys are allways there to lend a helping hand LOL. Great music.

post #36 of 42

All kidding aside.

 

1956 http://youtu.be/rMMf2EHXYjc

 

Ingemar Stenmark  '80's

 

http://youtu.be/b0GKM330Gr4

http://youtu.be/h_etULOdwf8 (half way thru just amazing)

 

Alberto Tomba late 80's early '90's

 

http://youtu.be/_eGt8prSx4M (no helmet or face guard 1988)

http://youtu.be/0emDNx8kaNM (1992 with amazing save halfway thru to still win race by just under a second).

 

Part of the theory with the step during racing was to accelerate (skate) and get the new downhill ski into a a straighter fall line, the idea was a series of very shallow turns maximising the skis pointed straight down the hill.

 

There was a good article in SKI  '90/91 (I think) that discussed Tomba's technique via a pictorial with a frame by frame anaylses (I think read the article about 10 times). If you watch carefully, Tomba starts with the ski behind Center and through the turn kicks forward of centre.  It took me about 3 or 4 days to learn.  When I skied with friends for fun, just carving up the slopes, they could keep up until I started kicking, it was like I hit the NITRO button and left, every kick gained a couple of feet.  The only down side was the burn in the legs is about 4 to 5 times as bad as you had to work it hard and fast on 205's

 

Progression is a wonderful thing.

 

 

post #37 of 42

I'm a recent convert to the shape ski, having been a hold-out for a lotta years.  Had done a fair amount of gate and DH racing back in the day, and finished out my race days on the Rossignol 4S, and in fact skied them for the last 20 years until going with the All-Mountain K2 Rictor in 2011.  For me, I can drive both skis equally on most any terrain; granted it takes a little more effort with the 4S's, and you'll definitely pay if you find yourself in the backseat.  Trying to think of the turn mechanics for a straight ski is almost impossible anymore, as it's second nature.  But agreeing with another post, getting the tip/shovel engaged with a slight ankle roll is key on straight boards; the rest of the weighted ski just follows (at least for me) and non-weighted ski is just along for the ride to transition.  What I noticed immediately with the shape ski (the Rictor in particular, after having demo'd many makes/models) is it seems to know where I'm headed before I even do.  I had to essentially cut out a bit of instinctive pre-turn thought process, as I found myself seriously over-turning these "new-fangled shape skis".  Other than that, I don't feel any change in form/technique between the two ski types.     

post #38 of 42

 If you have any specific questions about using straight skis, you can email me. Still use them.

post #39 of 42
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Originally Posted by JimiB View Post

Here's some 70's techniques that you might find interesting

 

 

Just wanted to say great video!! icon14.gif

 

I recall seeing an article in a skiing mag a year or two ago about a long time Vail Patroller named Dennis 'Buffalo' Mikottis in which he talked about how they used to put on a bit of a show hang gliding down Zot at mid Vail. Regular thing back then, I guess. Gotta love those 70's!  ;-)

 

Here's a different article on him.

post #40 of 42

If you get a chance also check out the flick  "Swift. Silent. Deep." about the Jackson Hole Air Force.

http://www.swiftsilentdeep.com/

 

post #41 of 42

 

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Originally Posted by Vasudeva View Post

Hi all,

I have recently aquired some old school straight skis (K2 Unlimited VO & Olin Mark IV) for the purposes of "retro day". I was trying to find some posts that succinctly outlined the major things to keep in mind and do, when skiing old school skis. I heard things like ankle roll, and stepping up and off the hill. But none of it made much sense.

If anyone had any advice from their earlier days of skiing I would really apreciat it

Thanks!

 

 


After enduring the chuckles and guffaws of my unenlightened coworkers, (psst - they're afraid of "straight skis") I try to put the following into practice:

 

1.  Closed stance. Keep those feet together. Think Stein.

 

2.  Rotary. Modern skis all but turn themselves, old school skis won't. You must do the work.

 

3.  Extension, specifically directed extension. Drive the center of mass down the hill.

 

4.  Counter, keep those shoulders square to the fall line.

 

5.  Balance, stay centered. Keep the shins in firm contact with the tongue of the boot at all times.

 

6.  Lateral, get those skis 'out there', bend them, arc the turn, enjoy the rebound.

 

There is no need to lift the inside ski or pick up the tails given directed extension combined with early weight transfer and strong inside leg steering.

 

Finally, think ahead, two to three turns ahead, especially in bumps.

 

I have the Unlimited VO (200cm) and Olin Mk IV (180cm) myself, and was recently delighted with the VO's ability to demolish wet spring chop at high speed with concrete stability while still being a friendly turnable recreational ski. There is something uniquely satisfying about laying 50m radius RR tracks on the long boards, kind of like driving a '71 Cadillac with a 500 cu in V8 at 120 mph with the A/C on, listening to Wagner on the 8-track while not even noticing the potholes.

 

My Olin's ski "short", perhaps good in bumps, definitely good displayed on the wall, but not a particularly enjoyable ski, similar to K2 Bermuda Shorts, Kneissl short swing, etc.

 

Straight skis? Schuss. Mach Schnell. Enjoy.

post #42 of 42

I got in a one last half day of skiing yesterday at Kirkwood. Used my "modern" wink.gif K2 Axis X skis - 181cm, 107-70-97, 7lb 3oz per ski w/binding. It was soft from the start and progressively more so as the day went on, but I've skied the X's in spring conditions like that before, and they worked fine for me. ( Except for the couple times I found myself in some Kirkwood spring skiing "tar pits"! ;-)

 

I took along a pair of straight skis I picked up recently - Elan CR 665 - 180cm, 85-65-75, 4 lb 10oz per ski w/binding. Short, (by straight ski standards), and very, very light! 

 

CR665.jpg

 

I had intended to do some runs alternating between the Elans and the K2's to get an A-B comparison, but I knew this would be the last day this season, and wanted to get as much quality ski time in as possible, so saved them for the very end. Unfortunately by then things were extremely slushy and grabby, so I'm sure that impacted how I skied them.

 

What I did notice as soon as I started down on the Elans is that to have any control I really needed to very consciously pressure the front half of the outside ski and steer to turn. I felt getting that pressure as a combination of pushing more forward than I had on the K2's, and also getting more weight on that outside ski - pretty close to one-footed skiing - even if the inside ski didn't come off the ground it had little weight on it. Tipping, which worked with the K2's, wasn't happening with the Elans, at least not for me on this day in these conditions. I guess I was feeling the need to do what is typically referred to as "active steering"?

 


Edited by jc-ski - 4/21/12 at 2:09pm
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