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post #31 of 47
Of course, super-mat, some of those same people followed you around and planted that bug. While I'm all for separating bad behavior from the essential character of people who lapse into it, one must see patterns of behavior as significant and ingrained. Hope you didn't eat dog or whatnot either (yeek!).


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post #32 of 47
I ate Dog stir fried and in soup. I also ate duck brain out of the skull. But thats besides the point. Sources tell me all of the rooms are bugged. It was there before we arrived. They didn't care about me, but it was in their barracks, it was for their safety. You don't think the US government ever taps anyone. I don't think you're dumb but if you believe that then you are mislead. I don't agree with it but I acknowkledge that it happens everywhere.
post #33 of 47
Well, I don't I've ever been in a bugged room, that's for darn sure. And I don't think I've been bugged here in Jolly England either. And I'm sure nobody's following me around, either.


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post #34 of 47
Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you....
post #35 of 47
Thread Starter 
Matt I have no problem with the people of China, it is the government. I too spent time in China, almost 2 years. Did I have bugs in my room? No idea. We did have guards stationed on the floor of my hotel to track the comings and goings. No Chinese Nationals were allowed on our floor. I had to meet with my language tutor in the hallway!

As far as the one child rule. Well when I was there it was strongly enforced, sounds from your report that may no longer be the case. Dchan?

Matt is sounds as if it as a good experience for you. I can honestly say that my stay in China was difficult but opened my mind to so many things, I am definitely the better for it. I do think everyone should live in foreign country once in his or her lives.
post #36 of 47
many of my relatives and my wife's relatives are multi child families. It is as Mat mentioned although I am not sure about the way or amounts. the first child is "free" each additional child, the family is "fined" however schooling through elementary school I believe is still no extra fee. advancement to upper levels however is a different matter. the brightest and best students are subsidized by the government. Also the best atheletes are also pulled from mainstream schools and trained by the government and educated by the best schools avail. I agree the people of china are for the most part quite a remarkable people and very hospitable if impoverished. When we went to visit, I suspect the village spent over 3 months salary to provide one meal for the visiting relatives. Supermat mentioned 6-7K (I suspect that is in US dollars) for a dwelling but a day's wage for many people might be 20 yuan (chinese money) In the cities and factories the days wage might be in the 100 yuan range. I think the current value of Yuan in US dollars is about .10-.15 so 6-7K is well out of the range of most chinese common laborers. Only the educated business people or office workers would be able to afford one of these dwellings.
post #37 of 47
Thanks for your insight. Your analysis of job payment is a bit high. The average worker will make 15 kuai a day at a good job, 20 would be excellent. Factories make slightly more than this. The home I referred to was in American, but it had 3 bedrooms, a living room, a dining room, a bathroom, and a seperate shower room. It was furnished with a tv thats nicer than my own, a computer thats faster than my own, leather furniture, and tile floors. It wasn't just the average place. This specific home was owned by a business man who had been pretty successful. I don't know the price of the smaller one beroom places. So they actually make considerably less than you thought. Oh, and the yuan is going for 8.2 to the dollar. Thanks for your comments. Matt
post #38 of 47
kuai? don't remember that denomination but I speak mainly broken cantonese not mandarin. Also the workers that climb up yellow mountain and carry supplies I think make 5-10 yuan per trip up the mountain depending on how big of a load they carry and they are allowed to make a maximum of 3 trips per day. 8.2 yuan to the dollar. about 12 cents. I guess it about what it was 9 years ago. Funny though. they eliminated the 2 forms of exchange (FEC and RMB) and created one exchange currancy and the market moved towards the less desirable exchange rate for China. FEC had an exchange rate at the time of 6.5-7:1 and RMB had an exchange rate closer to 8.5-9:1
post #39 of 47
I was using mandarin. Kuai and Yuan are the same thing. The new 1 Kuai coins say RMB around the outside of them, so maybe they're bringing that back. I don't really know. Where I was at the people didn't carry stuff up mountains. They farmed, sold stuff on the street, worked in little shops, hotels, department stores, and factories. They don't make much thats for sure. But we're looking at it comparing it to how much we make. In my opinion they don't make enough, but we make to much. I was talking skiing with some guys over there. I told them the price of my xxx's and they almost died. It was a lot more than they made in a year. But they were content with their wages. Matt
post #40 of 47
yeah, wages are low but cost of living for basic survival is pretty low too. If we eliminated all the "clutter" in our lives and had "free" housing and utilities I suspect we could live on a heck of a lot less than we do but .....

Back to my pursuit of my daily bread.
post #41 of 47
Alright Dchan, have a good one. I'm headed up to my local lake to do some cliff jumping. Back to Berryessa, its good to be home... Well I'll talk to you later. Matt
post #42 of 47
I forgot you are local to bay area.
Take care.
post #43 of 47
Thread Starter 
Matt after 5 weeks was it a little strange to walk into a grocery store in the US?

I remember vividly going to the grocery store for the first time after I got back. Went to buy laundry soap. It was surreal a WHOLE aisle devoted to soap. I thought, my god, do we really need so many types of soap?
post #44 of 47
I remember getting into HongKong and realizing that too. Just looking at resturants, stores, ... very strange feeling. Thanks again for the reality check.
post #45 of 47
To be honest I haven't left my house except to get the mail since I've been back. I've just slept at funny hours of the day and e-mailed a lot of people. I'll let you know when I do go though. Although I had a bit of shock when I payed more for two packs of shock tarts at the airport than I did a meal for 4 in China. Matt
post #46 of 47
post #47 of 47
No, that's why I'm sure. Women who walk alone at 1 am have to notice these things, so I do. I was only followed once and it was a guy trying to chat me up. Since he hasn't contacted me since, I assume I brushed him off rather than him being some sorta spy.

I don't know how much one can completely divorce a people from their government, in terms of being part of the same cultural environment. Take the "rat out your neighbor" type of behavior of the Soviet Union where whistleblowing was the norm; I think there is an animosity there to the "other guy" that continues, even in something like "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire." It's supposed to be the same game everywhere, but I've heard that in the Russian version the "ask the audience" lifeline is a total waste because people intentionally vote for the wrong answer to mess the contestant up.

Just something to ponder...


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