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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Just started blading and bought some K2 Catalysts. Question: How much of my skiing technique can I use in blading? For instance, in turning, can I use a short inside leg and lead with the inside part of my body, outside hand low, as in skiing, or do I need to whip my outside arm around and use upper body rotation? Can you list some differences/similarities I can use or should be aware of to help me progress?
post #2 of 25
You can use a LOT of your skiing technique. But the inside hand should stay up, shoulders level. If you drop the inside shoulder, you will put too much pressure on the inside foot (same with skiing). Don't use upper body rotation. Just as with skiing, steer the feet, keep the upper body quiet. The balance you gain from skating, especially on hills, will help your skiing a lot. Also work on long strides and gliding on one foot after your pushing foot comes off the ground. If you have custom footbeds for you ski boots, see if they fit in your skates (they should). It'll help, especially because the skate boots are softer, to keep your ankles from turning in or out, making it a lot easier to stand on one foot.
post #3 of 25
What johnH said. I am just starting out on my blades too. I will give you one hint on something I found out very early. STEER! you hear a lot about tiping to the "little toe edge" to turn. It doesn't work without steering. (gentle very subtle steering).
I have fallen over several times trying to figure out if this "tip to turn" everyone was touting really works on skates.

Oh yeah, start on very gentle grades. a gentle grade will get you going real fast real quick.

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post #4 of 25
Remember you are skating not skiing.
Since you are skating you should skate. Don't pretend to ski on skates, you will mess up your skiing. The 2 sports are similar enough that you can teach yourself bad motion patterns if you try to do ski turns on skates. You wouldn't practice rollerblading on skis.
post #5 of 25
If you are used to 'standing on the outside foot' to turn on skis it won't give you much speed control thru turning on skates.

Standing on one works for long turns, but on hills, it won't give you much speed control. Leave'em both on the ground and tip the inside knee into the turn as agressively as the outside one.
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks, guys! A couple more questions:
I've seen people using a different lead foot when turning. Some have their inside foot ahead; some lead with the outside foot. Which is preferable?
Also: I can feel the inside edge of my outside skate wheels pretty strongly when I turn. Should I be trying to tip my inside skate as much, so I am equally on the outside edges of that skate? How much weighting should that inside skate have?
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post #7 of 25

I don't know the specific answersto how much weight. Yes the inside skate should have a similar/equal angle. Try this:

Pick a lane on an empty road. Skate slowly. Turn a u-turn or 360 deg. turn inside the confines of that single lane. Practice this until you can do it at a higher speed.
Pick a narrower corridor, more practice. Narrow up your corridor until you can u-turn and 360(turn, not spin) in the width of an average sidewalk.

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post #8 of 25

I also disagree with Nord. In line skating carrues a lot of skills over to skiing.

Yes, try to get the inside skate under you, and at the same "edge" (lower leg) angle as the outside skate. I'll let myself play around with which foot to pressure. You won't be able to pressure the outside skate only if you are carrying much speed, on much of a hill, or try to turn very hard. It's pretty easy to split the pressure 50/50 between the feet. But for balance, I like to also try staying on one foot for a while. It's a whole lot harder than skiing on one ski, because the platform is so small and unstable. But this will develop your balance quite a bit.

As for lead, I try to keep it the same as I would with skiing. Inside foot is *slightly* aheads. Keep the shins slightly in contact with the tongue of the boot. You'll probably get the feeling that you'rre pulling the inside foot back, which is fine. There is a tendency, on skates, to let the inside foot lead more than it should, because it gives you a bigger fore/aft platform when both feet are on the ground.

Parking garages are fun places to play, because the slope of the ramps between the parking levels is a great pitch, and you have plenty of flat runout, and the surface is usually glass smooth. But be aware of expansion joints!
post #9 of 25
I also have found that the crossover from skiing to skating is very simular. I don't think you want to try the parking garages in SF unless it's late at night or when the garage is closed. Most times I've been in a parking garage here in SF the is little or no parking. They are full and people driving around at very high speeds hoping to get to that last space before the next person.

Luckily they close Golden Gate Park's main drive every Sunday for about 2 miles. Not glassy smooth but no cars. just bikes, skaters and runners and walkers.
post #10 of 25
I was thinking office parking garages, after working hours or on weekends, when they are empty.
post #11 of 25
not here in SF JohnH
Most offices here don't have garages and if they do, they rent them out when the office closes so they can make the extra revenue.

I forgot the stats but I think the cars in San francisco almost out number the amount of legal parking spaces (free/paid or metered, including office building parking garages public and private) not including personal private garages in your house. Add to that people that commute in and the people that have so much stuff in their garage that they park their cars on the street and you have San Francisco's version of a parking nightmare . Is it no wonder that almost every parking garage in SF uses Valet parkers now so they can fill the lot completly and have to play musical cars everytime someone comes to pick up their car?
post #12 of 25
How does ice skating compare to rollerblading?
post #13 of 25

It's colder

oh yeah... And no hills.<FONT size="1">

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post #14 of 25
also if you ice skate indoors you have built in brakes. called walls
post #15 of 25
...or defenders *owww*
post #16 of 25
we have those built in brakes for in-lines too. They're called curbs, cars and light poles!
post #17 of 25
It's a real question! I even reworded it from "whats the difference between ...." in a feeble attempt ward off the previous responses.

Despite the obvious diff can someone who is a good rollerblader put on a pair of hockey skates and be just as good or vice versa. Is it possible to do a hockey stop on rollerblades? As someone who can ice skate and has never tried rollerblading I'm curious as to how they compare.

I'll have to post on the powderboard, maybe they can come up with a serious answer.

As for the downhill lake, my nieghbors used to put a rink in the back yard and from the back door to the main rink it dropped about a foot or 2. Always fun to coast on down.

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post #18 of 25
Sorry cold water,
I think it's getting too slow in our offices and we need a smile from time to time. Hockey stops are a harder on inlines and unless you are on speed skates or hockey ice skates I think the ice skates turn easier (don't most ice skates have some curvature to the blade which would make them turn some when put on edge) I am a novice at both ice and inlines but those are the 2 obvious differences. No hills on Ice skating rinks I think I like flat for now anyway. Also most recreational skates have the brake on the toe where as inlines have them in the rear. and for JohnH and several other accomplished skaters none at all. I took mine off last week as I found them pretty much useless but I am still not proficient at the T stop or toe drag. (I'm getting there)

Most of the other skills should cross over nicely.

One other thing is I think the height of inlines are higher than that of most ice skates so balance muscles on the ankles and feet might be an issue but not too much of a problem.<FONT size="1">

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post #19 of 25

My problem is that I haven't ice skated in many years. But from what I remember, the main difference is that you can't really do a hockey stop. Ice skates have a small flat portion on the bottom of the blade that allows yu to get them started sliding sideways. But if you were on a tennis court playing roller hockey, you really can't generate the forces necessary to get them to slide. Plus, when you do get them to slide, they are rather unpredictable, especially compared to ice skates. But other than that, they act pretty much just like ice skates. As a matter of fact, NHL teams use in-lines to practice in the summer when they aren't on ice. I hear that they can go through a set of wheels in a day. So they probably are able to get them to slide around a bit. If you like ice skating, you'll like in-lines. Especially since you get to go up and down hills and travel ling distances if you want.
post #20 of 25
Skating is good for coordination, balance, rotary muscles and inclination practice. It is not Skiing.
I knew a couple racers( one Ex-Peugot Pro tour, the other one a former college racer) who ran gates on rollerblades a lot one summer. The next winter they were noticably slower. Guess what they were doing wrong (on snow).
post #21 of 25
Answer from above.
Skating their turns like they were on rollerblades.
Kind of like doing Kung Fu moves in A Karate class. Real similar but just not right.
post #22 of 25
You mean you don't ever "step over" to the other side of your skis? as in a skating crossover?
I have to admit the last time I tried that on skis I was skiing 160's and skiing backwards Olin Mark IV ballet.. I wonder if I still know how to do that? or if I'm flexable enough to.
post #23 of 25
I think I'm coming at this from a different angle than most of you. I think that a FIS level racer or above will not be able to improve their ski technique on rollerblades and they would be better of playing rollerhockey or speedblading to improve their conditiong and athletic ability. Most skiers could probably improve their skiing ability by doing some ski turns on blades.

Bob Barnes said
", but there is surely no closer summer cross-training activity for skiing than inline skates."

Ever hear of Dry slope skiing. Apparently that's how a lot of the British practice skiing. I have heard that it takes some adjustment for their racers to ski well on snow after training for the summer on plastic. http://www.hyperski.com/articles/jul...er.plastic.htm http://www.lightening.demon.co.uk/ski/html/racer.html
post #24 of 25
Hi Mike M.
I'm a little late in this conversation but I thought I would join anyways. I teach both skiing and in-line skating so I'm familiar with both.
I agree with everyone out there pretty much. But- even though they have their similarities, skating is skating, skiing is skiing.....
You asked about rotation and if it is appropriate versus a "ski" turn. You bet. On flats it is a wonderful thing. Something has to generate the momentum and it doesn't always have to be your feet. Watch hockey players. But, do not try it on a hill. Road rash city.... Momentum and gravity will do the trick, no rotation. It will be more similar to a ski turn.
Some people are saying that the cross-over is not great. I have seen it differently. Has anyone seen a person "skid" a turn on in-lines cruising down a hill at top speed? So carving/edging is a must. Also, you get to develop balance and agility. Tight in-line turns through cones are the best!!!
Hockey stops. They are not the same. There is such thing as a lunge stop (1 footed hockey stop where you arc the foot out to the side on a deep inside edge) and a power slide (where you may turn forward to back and slide the skate sideways on a DEEP inside edge.)
If you still have questions, please go to the IISA (International In-Line Skating Association) website at www.iisa.org where you may be able to find an instructor in your area. Just a thought.
Good luck!!!
post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all your info, guys. Been practicing for an hour or two every other day for the past few weeks and it's starting to come together. Learning this sport realy reminds a person what a beginner skier goes through! Think snow!
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