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Should I Buy Race Skis?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Currently looking at buying a pair of '10-'11 Fischer WC GS Hole 183cm skis, and I'm wondering if it might be too big of a leap for me.  Expert level skier, ski instructor, early twenties, great shape, 5"11' 160lbs.  After how terrible this season has been, I've been looking to buy a really great groomer ski.  However, I haven't really skied a race ski before, especially not a GS ski, and I'm wondering if it might be too much ski for me, or if I'll get used to it and start to love it.  Thoughts? 

 

Sidenote:  I've got plenty of other skis so this would truly be only for groomer days, mostly in December/January and late spring.

post #2 of 21

I started skiing on an old gs ski a few years ago and thay are sooo much fun.  A friend gave me his old ones that had seen alot of skiing and racing already so they weren't too stiff anymore which was a perfect intro.  I now have a new pair and have started gs racing which is also good.. However just skiing around on the skis is brill and very good for your technique - I have done quite alot of bumps practice on the old ones.

Do you have a friend who has some that you can take out for a spin for a bit?  I'd go for it but don't expect to go out for a cruise on them!

 

post #3 of 21

You have the size and the technical skills to turn a 183 GS ski.  If you want a ski that has tenacious grip at speed, it's hard to beat a race ski.

post #4 of 21

Lots of people I know tend to a SL not a GS ski as it is better suited to crowded slopes as it can turn quickly when it needs to yet you can open it up as long as you pay attention to not overloading it at speed and hooking up.

 

My favorite piste ski is a 18m radius, 65mm waisted ski. Not a race ski, but very high performance. It is kind of the best of both worlds (GS and SL) as it will easily pop of quick turns but loves to rocket along in big arcs. I tend to get going too fast for the circumstances on true GS skis.

 

I do agree with Denny, nothing grips like a race ski.

post #5 of 21

Buy it; you'll like it.

post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
I guess I should rephrase the question: will I be happy with this as my only groomer ski?
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
I guess I should rephrase the question: will I be happy with this as my only groomer ski?
post #8 of 21

yes you will. depending on how much vert and where you ski, a SL ski would be a good choice as well. I'd get an older GS ski or a cheater GS ski for groom skiing unless your hill is wide open or you got some skills.

 

a 28m GS is going to go pretty straight if you edge it and never have used a GS ski before. I'd do 21m or less.

 

It is well worth it.

 

enjoy!

 

post #9 of 21

90% of my skiing is done with race GS skis I got from certain WC racer... this mean more then 27m radius, steel hard ski etc. It just beats anything else, including race SL skis (which I normally have with me in car, when some of later mentioned "disadvantages" come to play) . But there are few bad things/disadvantages with it. Basically you need empty or at least pretty empty course, otherwise things get "a bit" dangerous, trying to avoid bunch of slow skiers going down 80+km/h. Next thing, you can forget about skiing when things get bumpy. Skis are just too long, too hard, and they need to high speed to even turn them, that skiing bumps would be much fun. But when you have empty, "polished" course, there's nothing better then GS skis... or sometimes SG skis are even better :D

post #10 of 21

A Fischer Race Stokc 183 GS ski is going to brutal.

 

I am going to assue this is more of the women's  race stock ski abd is probably more in the 23-24M radius area.

 

Still, way too much ski for your everyday groomer skiing on a public hill.

 

I recently skied on an Atomic 183cm D2 Race Gs (24M) Very difficult to turn at low speed, as Primoz say NO BUMPS!!!

 

They were great once I got going 45MPH+  , but were brick stiff and really not that much fun unless I had a complelelty deserted slope and it was smooth.

 

I hihgly recommend the Atomic NON-FIS D2 Race GS  in a 179 for you. That is what I am on and I way 187 lbs. In a 179 the ski has an 18.4 M radius is damp quiet powerful and has tenacious edge grip.

 

I skied this ski back to back with the NON-FIS Head i.speed and Fisher RC4 pro, both of whihc were extrememly stiff longitudianally.

 

The Atomic was easier to ski and had better edge hold.  ISince the NON-FIS D2 GS is 70mm uncer foot, I have even skied it in soft chopped up powdery bumps and it was easy and performed beutifully even to my surprise, but remember not too many years ago our mid-fats were 70MM at the waist.

 

The secret of this ski is the tip in front of the D2 control deck is fairly flexible, but as the ski is arced the contorl deck, progressively stiffens the ski,.

 

 

I am not aflitaed with Atomic and have a bunch of Head skis in the garage too, but this truly may be the est ski I have eve owned and I have had a bunch over the years. (Currently 23 pair in my garageof reasonably current  race and various other skis)

post #11 of 21

As an only ski, they will be fine if your skiing is done at 30+ mph.  Otherwise, no. 

If your local hill is 250 ' vertical or less, no.

If you want to ski a lot of moguls, no.

If you just want to ski fast and feel g-forces, yes.

post #12 of 21


I can ski just as fast on my non-FIS version.

 

At some point you hit terminal velocity, particularly with insulated coat & pants on.

 

A speed suit? that's a different story!

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As an only ski, they will be fine if your skiing is done at 30+ mph.  Otherwise, no. 

If your local hill is 250 ' vertical or less, no.

If you want to ski a lot of moguls, no.

If you just want to ski fast and feel g-forces, yes.



 


Edited by Atomicman - 4/8/12 at 2:51pm
post #13 of 21
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I can ski just as fast on my non-FIS version.

 

At some point you hit terminal velocity, particularly with insulated coat & pants on.

 

A speed suit? that's a different story!



 



I can ski fast on a lot of skis, but it feels best on my SGs. Wind resistance and slope angle are the main players in determining terminal velocity, for sure.  However, if you are making longer radius turns and laying the skis way up on edge at speed, the longer radius skis just feel better doing it.  If you're making small turns, well that's a different story.

post #14 of 21
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I can ski fast on a lot of skis, but it feels best on my SGs. Wind resistance and slope angle are the main players in determining terminal velocity, for sure.  However, if you are making longer radius turns and laying the skis way up on edge at speed, the longer radius skis just feel better doing it. and the stiffer skis are a lot safer too.  If you're making small turns, well that's a different story.



 

post #15 of 21


Agreed, but on the non-fis ski i DON'T HAVE TO ski as fast to make them work!
 

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post #16 of 21
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Agreed, but on the non-fis ski i DON'T HAVE TO ski as fast to make them work!
 



 




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post #17 of 21
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Agreed, but on the non-fis ski i DON'T HAVE TO ski as fast to make them work!
 



 



Agreed.  For most hills/folks the WC RC would be a better choice.

post #18 of 21

I agree that WC RC skis for example (if we stay with Fischer, which is what I ski too) work with much slower speed then WC GS (especially men version). But it depends what is fun for someone. For me personally, WC GS is ski to go. It's just so much more fun to ski at high speed, then at low(er) speed. But I have luxury to pick skiing time/terrain so that they are mostly empty and nicely done. I go skiing most of time when racers go up for training, which means few hours before hills are open for public, so I normally end my day, when most of people is hardly starting it. In conditions like this, going down the hill at 100km/h or faster is no big deal. And at speed like that, WC RC skis are damn uncomfortable, to say it nicely. They just vibrate way too much, and feel way too soft to be able to ski is hard (at least for my taste).

But as I wrote before already, WC GS skis start to work once speed is over 50 or 60km/h (it's damn hard to even turn it with lower speed), and getting to their "comfortable zone", which means 80-100km/h, can be pretty dangerous, when you have hill full of people, or just a bit more crowded. So it depends where and when you ski. If you ski most of time, when lot of other people are around, then definitely Fischer WC RC us much better choice, then Fischer WC GS.

Another thing are SL skis. Some people rather pick SL skis over GS. But personally, I'm just not able to ski SL skis for all day long. With GS skis (even race stock) you can cruise around, with SL, you can't. At least I can't. Which means after 2 hours, I'm dead tired, even though they feel much nicer when it gets bumpy and crowded. But there's just no way for me to ski them all day long.

post #19 of 21

If you enjoy ripping the groomers at high speed (and have a hill big enough to reach that speed), yeah do it. I started skiing a 193 27m race stock ski (with plate) this year as my hardpack groomer ski and I love it! My hill is almost never crowded so it works out well. They do take quite a bit of speed to turn, but I havn't found a speed where the edge starts to chatter. They are definitely a demanding ski, and will leave you pretty tired at the end of the day, but its well worth it.

post #20 of 21

Go for it, I'm double your age, same size and wt.  I bought the '10 Dynastar Speed Course WC 176.  Love the ski.  Have yet to do a good mogul run so I can't comment.  However all are right in saying they like to run at higher speeds.  Skied old school, they are just as fun for playing in short radius turns (you gotta work them).

 

As to grip on anything just lay down tracks! G force and acceleration unreal!

 

You have the ability are you willing to make the effort for the reward is the only question.

 

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post #21 of 21
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I agree that WC RC skis for example (if we stay with Fischer, which is what I ski too) work with much slower speed then WC GS (especially men version). But it depends what is fun for someone. For me personally, WC GS is ski to go. It's just so much more fun to ski at high speed, then at low(er) speed. But I have luxury to pick skiing time/terrain so that they are mostly empty and nicely done. I go skiing most of time when racers go up for training, which means few hours before hills are open for public, so I normally end my day, when most of people is hardly starting it. In conditions like this, going down the hill at 100km/h or faster is no big deal. And at speed like that, WC RC skis are damn uncomfortable, to say it nicely. They just vibrate way too much, and feel way too soft to be able to ski is hard (at least for my taste).

But as I wrote before already, WC GS skis start to work once speed is over 50 or 60km/h (it's damn hard to even turn it with lower speed), and getting to their "comfortable zone", which means 80-100km/h, can be pretty dangerous, when you have hill full of people, or just a bit more crowded. So it depends where and when you ski. If you ski most of time, when lot of other people are around, then definitely Fischer WC RC us much better choice, then Fischer WC GS.

Another thing are SL skis. Some people rather pick SL skis over GS. But personally, I'm just not able to ski SL skis for all day long. With GS skis (even race stock) you can cruise around, with SL, you can't. At least I can't. Which means after 2 hours, I'm dead tired, even though they feel much nicer when it gets bumpy and crowded. But there's just no way for me to ski them all day long.

Yup, that's pretty much it, except from my viewpoint (I ski all day from first chair to lifts closed with regular public), it's all about the speed.  If you do indeed ski above 60 kph almost all the time, then the GS is what you should be on.   
 

 

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