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post #91 of 120

Guess it's pretty much the same as (two) skis: Different tools for different conditions; different strokes for different folks.

 

Came across this...

 

 

Straight out of Warren Miller Entertainment's new film Chasing Shadows, monoboarding is alive and well—contrary to popular belief.

 

http://www.skinet.com/ski/article/behind-scenes-monopalooza

post #92 of 120

Ha! I took my yellow banana Hammer down Outhouse my first year here and it was brutal. The worst thing about it was the flex underfoot. The moment it flexed too much I would pop out of my bindings like someone squeezing a deck of cards between their fingers and thumb. Two seasons ago I skied Outhouse with over a foot of fresh powder.  On a Mountain 177 the upper portion was maybe a half dozen turns. Felt like bouncing around on a lumpy cloud.

 

FWIW, regardless of your usage (or whether you're skiing on 2 planks or 1), this is how to get in shape for winter. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXmCXaptR2Q

Though not nearly as inspiring as the woman in the video, anytime I have a free minute in my day I'm doing the exercises at :35 and :50 on my bosu ball mixed in with some mountain climbers. That and jumping rope to wake up those muscles that atrophy during cycling season.

post #93 of 120
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Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post
 

If you grew up skiing when having your feet locked together was the ultimate expression of parallel skiing, the appeal of monoskiing is obvious. Using that technique, mono skis are a far better tool than modern skis.

 

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Originally Posted by monoforever View Post
 

Monoski for ever in powder and soap snow

Monoski is the best engine for ride the forest and for take easy full speed in fresh snow

Monoski is just ski with better floataison
Try it and enjoy

 

Here monoski ride from Chamonix / France

www.tkbfilms.com

 

 

After seeing the segment in the Warren Miller 2015 film, Chasing Shadows, about the monoski gathering at Jackson Hole, Rusty's statement makes a lot of sense.  Some of those guys were carving like crazy!  In the video clip from France, definitely can see not just for groomers.

 

 

post #94 of 120

A Google search led me to this thread as I was trying to see what I could sell my monoski for.  After reading the posts and being reminded how awesome these things are, I decided to keep it.  I'm an older guy (45), have been skiing since I was 10 years old.  In my 20's I decided to give monoskiing a try and loved in.  Kept at it for 15 years before going back to skiing so I could teach my kids (I would never recommend monoskiing unless you are already a good skier).

 

Some observations...

 

Contrary to the belief of some in this thread.  Monoskiing doesn't create bad skiing habits.  If anything, it improves your skiing.  I cannot tell you how good your balance gets when you cannot pull your feet apart to catch yourself.  Monoskiing forces you to use more "angulation" (not sure if that is a real term, just what I use) in your hips/legs.  This is directly transferable to skis.  I was a good skier prior and could ski just about anything, but after being on a monoski for all those years, it only got better when I went back.  And the idea that you are all screwed up because you've been on a different edge- well that is ridiculous.  There is no adjustment process when back on two boards, it is automatic.

 

The only places that skis excel at (imo, of course) are on ice, occasionally a traverse, going uphill in deeper snow, or potentially getting yourself out of a tricky spot that you didn't intend to get into (oh sh** this cliff is bigger than I thought).  I've had my share of sketchy moments as I got in a potentially bad situation.  But that happens no matter what your a using to get down a hill.  Also be prepared to get an upper body workout as you have to push yourself around more with your poles as you can't simply walk or skate from point A to B.  These are easily overlooked once you realize how great they are in powder and bumps.  And my favorite, in tight trees with buried tree stumps launching you into each turn. 

 

One thing I didn't see mentioned is that when in very deep snow (waist high or so), you can better control your altitude.  You can do what I call "dolphin turns" where you use your tip to control your depth to pop out of the snow to make a turn.  You don't need to do this of course, but it is very fun.  Also, and this was important for me, since I used to spend my time in the Lake Tahoe hills... A monoski could care less if that deep snow is wet and heavy sierra cement.  It is just as effortless as dry powder.

 

 

 

So now I have a question for those on monoskis.  Where the heck can I get my old board re-mounted with new bindings around here?   I now live in the Portland area.

 

 

Thanks!

post #95 of 120

I saw 3 different people on Mono's at Alta on Saturday -  pretty solid!  - think that warren miller flick has created some stoke on these things - sure look like alot of fun.

 

I've seen want ads in the SLC area looking for these things as well.

post #96 of 120
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Originally Posted by lostinPNW View Post

A Google search led me to this thread as I was trying to see what I could sell my monoski for.  After reading the posts and being reminded how awesome these things are, I decided to keep it.  I'm an older guy (45), have been skiing since I was 10 years old.  In my 20's I decided to give monoskiing a try and loved in.  Kept at it for 15 years before going back to skiing so I could teach my kids (I would never recommend monoskiing unless you are already a good skier).

Some observations...

Contrary to the belief of some in this thread.  Monoskiing doesn't create bad skiing habits.  If anything, it improves your skiing.  I cannot tell you how good your balance gets when you cannot pull your feet apart to catch yourself.  Monoskiing forces you to use more "angulation" (not sure if that is a real term, just what I use) in your hips/legs.  This is directly transferable to skis.  I was a good skier prior and could ski just about anything, but after being on a monoski for all those years, it only got better when I went back.  And the idea that you are all screwed up because you've been on a different edge- well that is ridiculous.  There is no adjustment process when back on two boards, it is automatic.

The only places that skis excel at (imo, of course) are on ice, occasionally a traverse, going uphill in deeper snow, or potentially getting yourself out of a tricky spot that you didn't intend to get into (oh sh** this cliff is bigger than I thought).  I've had my share of sketchy moments as I got in a potentially bad situation.  But that happens no matter what your a using to get down a hill.  Also be prepared to get an upper body workout as you have to push yourself around more with your poles as you can't simply walk or skate from point A to B.  These are easily overlooked once you realize how great they are in powder and bumps.  And my favorite, in tight trees with buried tree stumps launching you into each turn. 

One thing I didn't see mentioned is that when in very deep snow (waist high or so), you can better control your altitude.  You can do what I call "dolphin turns" where you use your tip to control your depth to pop out of the snow to make a turn.  You don't need to do this of course, but it is very fun.  Also, and this was important for me, since I used to spend my time in the Lake Tahoe hills... A monoski could care less if that deep snow is wet and heavy sierra cement.  It is just as effortless as dry powder.



So now I have a question for those on monoskis.  Where the heck can I get my old board re-mounted with new bindings around here?   I now live in the Portland area.


Thanks!

Best bet is DIY. I wouldn't trust any shop to mount a monoski, even if they were willing to touch it (and they are not)
post #97 of 120
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Originally Posted by oldjeep View Post


Best bet is DIY. I wouldn't trust any shop to mount a monoski, even if they were willing to touch it (and they are not)

 

Oh man.  Sounds like a good way for me to mess up my board.  I was under the impression you needed a special jig to drill/mount them.  When I bought this thing years ago, it was a big deal to try and locate the jig and then have it shipped to my local shop so that they could mount it.  It was a huge pain. 

 

Thanks

post #98 of 120
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Originally Posted by lostinPNW View Post
 

 

Oh man.  Sounds like a good way for me to mess up my board.  I was under the impression you needed a special jig to drill/mount them.  When I bought this thing years ago, it was a big deal to try and locate the jig and then have it shipped to my local shop so that they could mount it.  It was a huge pain. 

 

Thanks


Here is the problem.  Pretty sure that nobody indemnifies their bindings for monoski use any more.  Salomon used to - maybe they still do.  I've always hated Solomans bindings and used to use ESS and now use Marker - basically something with a track that allows the bindings to float and get rid of the huge dead spot that fixed heel/toe setups create.  Never seen a jig for a monoski, I've always used the ref lines and binding paper templates to make a intermediary drilling guide out of plastic.  Its not rocket science.

post #99 of 120
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Originally Posted by oldjeep View Post
 


Here is the problem.  Pretty sure that nobody indemnifies their bindings for monoski use any more.  Salomon used to - maybe they still do.  I've always hated Solomans bindings and used to use ESS and now use Marker - basically something with a track that allows the bindings to float and get rid of the huge dead spot that fixed heel/toe setups create.  Never seen a jig for a monoski, I've always used the ref lines and binding paper templates to make a intermediary drilling guide out of plastic.  Its not rocket science.

 

Okay, maybe you've convinced me to try it.  Perhaps the newer track bindings are easier to mount than the old heel/toe system.

 

Thanks!

post #100 of 120

Try setting up the bindings on a piece of wood. Transfer the hole patterns from the bindings to the board with a punch/nail/something pointy. Drill the wood and mount to the wood. Put your boots in the bindings. Do they fit? Are they square? If so, drill all the way through the piece of wood and use it as a template on your mono-ski. If you have a template, the biggest worry is drilling through the ski. Use a 3.6 mm drill if the board doesn't have a metal top-sheet. Use a 4.1 mm drill and tap if your board has a metal top-sheet (or metal in the mounting area).

 

If you can't scrounge a drill bit from a shop, use some tape as a stop on the drill.

 

Questions? Give me a shout. I have done a few freehand mounts.

post #101 of 120
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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post
 

Try setting up the bindings on a piece of wood. Transfer the hole patterns from the bindings to the board with a punch/nail/something pointy. Drill the wood and mount to the wood. Put your boots in the bindings. Do they fit? Are they square? If so, drill all the way through the piece of wood and use it as a template on your mono-ski. If you have a template, the biggest worry is drilling through the ski. Use a 3.6 mm drill if the board doesn't have a metal top-sheet. Use a 4.1 mm drill and tap if your board has a metal top-sheet (or metal in the mounting area).

 

If you can't scrounge a drill bit from a shop, use some tape as a stop on the drill.

 

Questions? Give me a shout. I have done a few freehand mounts.


Awesome.  Thanks for the tips.  I'm pretty sure my board does not have a metal top sheet.  If it does, is this literally the top sheet or would it be a layer or two down?  I just looked at the board and there doesn't appear to be any metal layers in the mounting area.  However, I haven't taken the old bindings off to see what is underneath them. 

 

This no longer sounds that complex.  Practicing on some scrap wood would ease most concerns I have.  Thanks!

post #102 of 120

Metal sheets are usually visible in the sidewall if the skis are traditional laminate construction. Except for obvious metal on the top, most metal in skis are covered in plastic.  If you don't know for sure, drill the smaller size hole 3.6 or 3.5 mm. You'll see the metal bits in the debris if it has metal in it, also it will be harder to drill than without metal. If so, just redrill with the 4.1.

 

If you use the wood plank as a template, keep an eye on the size of the hole as it might grow drill.

 

You can also use the punch/sharp tool to make divots in the topsheet that will help the drill start without wandering. Obviously, you want to be as square to the topsheet as possible.

 

Ya. Practicing on a piece of wood or a 'don't care' ski makes working on your good gear a lot less stressful. YOu'll also have to watch out for conflicting hole placement from the old bindings to the new. You don't want new holes closer than a few milimeters from any old holes and you'll need to plug the old holes. 

 

Be sure to use a waterproof glue (I don't like epoxy; it's too permanent) when you plug the holes as well as when you screw in the new bindings.

post #103 of 120
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Originally Posted by pdiddy View Post

I spent a few seasons demoing monoski in colorado back in the 90's .   Probably have about 20 days on a monosk/ or monoboard and It was fun as hell in the powder, and soft bumps were a blast, trees were effortless.  I did pop a bunch of jumps and it was great but every time I nuked anything over 15 feet I would double release out of them, so,, either the bindings were just sub par rentals or I was doing something wrong.         As far as binding settings, you have to really crank them down because if you split your knees out,(cowboy) you will pop out.    nyways, really fun, but so is skiing and I did notice a few bad habits forming from using a monoski, like ridding the hell out of the uphill ski when I put on a pair of skis.  

I know Duret makes monoski's/monoboards and Snowshark too.  

Edit:  Add,   oh and the very first day I tried a mono ski it was a powder day and I spent the entire day skiing bumps at the Jane,  so the learning curve between ski's and a monoboard is just a few runs... 
I do that every year for the first few runs due to my snowboarding background.
post #104 of 120
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I've owned a snowshark tt hammer, decent hard snow ski. Coda is another us manufacturer.

The idea of non release bindings on a monoski scares the crap out of me. I'll stick with regular ski bindings.

 

Tuna pointed me to this manufacturer for their interesting skis, but they do have quite a few mono models...

 

https://www.codaboards.com/monoski_models.php

post #105 of 120

hi all

 

There is something new in the monoski : The monoski "monolith"

 

The firm Aluflex unveils his new monoski. It provides all the necessary information in this blog : http://francemonoski.blogspot.fr/2016/09/aluflex-monolith-2017.html

 

regards

post #106 of 120

Hello

 

The northern alps are sorely lacking in snow.. It marks the starting point for skiing fun on wellprepared slopes.

 

post #107 of 120

Hey guys,

 

I'm going to be in Heavenly / South Lake Tahoe next week (01/16 - 01/20) and was wondering if anyone knew of a place/way to try out a mono ski from there? I could see myself getting a Duret De Glisse 178 or a Coda V-0 or V-2. I'm a 5'7" 175# experienced skier, currently on 170 Head Prestige (similar to Magnums I think) and love them. Any thoughts on the two alternatives. Also Bomber bindings vs "standard" bindings? Thanks!

post #108 of 120
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Originally Posted by france monoski View Post
 

Hello

 

The northern alps are sorely lacking in snow.. It marks the starting point for skiing fun on wellprepared slopes.

 

You're not kidding Jean-Michel! I saw one of your videos where you're kicking up dirt on every turn. Here in Crested Butte we've received 2m of snow in the past week (almost 5m so far this season) with as much as 1m more expected in the next few days.

 

Totally dig your style by the way. So smooth. I never really see or ride with other mono skiers, and don't ski groomers. Mostly steep and deep. As a result my form has developed into much more of a boxer stance than a dancer (i.e. aggressive, fists up, punching my way forward like a slalom skier). But your videos have inspired me to play more on the groomers rather than hurrying back to the lift after exiting the fun stuff. Speaking of fun stuff, I want to go to here!

 

post #109 of 120

When I was a kid skiing at Brodie Mountain I saw a guy with a single regular ski to which he had affixed a 4 inch (or so) tall V-shaped block on which he had two bindings mounted. I imagine the balance was a challenge, but he skied fine with it.

post #110 of 120
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Originally Posted by Trurl View Post
 

When I was a kid skiing at Brodie Mountain I saw a guy with a single regular ski to which he had affixed a 4 inch (or so) tall V-shaped block on which he had two bindings mounted. I imagine the balance was a challenge, but he skied fine with it.


There was actually a commercial product like that at one point.

post #111 of 120

I rode the lift with a monoskier yesterday at DV. The guy behind us in the lift line asked "what is that?".

post #112 of 120
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Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post
 

I rode the lift with a monoskier yesterday at DV. The guy behind us in the lift line asked "what is that?".


That's a constant question in the lift lines. Otherwise, most people don't even notice I'm on one big ski unless I'm zipper lining right under the lift. 

post #113 of 120
Whatever happened to Turbo?

I talked to some people in Telluride and they haven't seen him in while.
post #114 of 120

Bonjour everyone,

 

I grew up in Courchevel 1850 the top 5 Ski Resort in the world!

in the beginning of the 80's I was 14 years old, was part of the Ski Resort Club, and was doing the mandatory ski racing program...

Then one day I see my close friends sliding down with what look like a large ski were both of their feet were attached together!

The Monoski had arrived to the Alps.

 

The best use of that equipment is basically like the way I like to use a snowboard, deep fresh powder and spring snow, so your edges grab the snow better, and it is easier to stay standing up. But back then, we were young and had the ability to ski anything, including steeps, like the Couloir in Courch (Courchevel 1850)

One of the amazing thing about the monoski is that you can go straight down in powder in a very steep incline ( we mostly found these outbound right by the slopes so anyone could see us in case we were in trouble) you just lean back with your arms wide open on both side, with taller than usual ski poles, to catch yourself for balance.

Compare to a  snowboard,  I can tell you that the monoski is way way more stable at high speed, you never have the back of your board trying to jerk you to the side. In powder still going fast, you can lean completely in a dynamic turn position.

 

I miss my two monoskis, yes I had two, both Rossignol made. One was a 170 the other a 180. I am 165 (5'5)

In 1999 I started getting bored with my monoskis, and gave they to the Salvation Army in Queens N.Y, where I lived at the time.

 

Now these days I really kick myself for not keeping them, this past Saturday at my local ski resort, we had or Annual Pond Skim, and I can tell you that with a monoski you can get to the other side of the pond every time for sure... I jut have to find myself a used one.

 

So to answer the question "Monoskis-why bother?" I say yes go for it.

 

Zune

post #115 of 120

The problem with monoskis is that you can't split them up on the racks to keep people from stealing them. The good thing is  . . .  well you figure it out.

post #116 of 120

Sorry, but I just can not see someone on a monoski without having that song, Mambo #5 rock my brain.

Whoops, there it goes again.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_LN3XEcnw

post #117 of 120
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

The problem with monoskis is that you can't split them up on the racks to keep people from stealing them. The good thing is  . . .  well you figure it out.

Heard about this guy who put his monoski on his car rack but forgot to lock it when he went into the bar for an apres.

And when he came back, much to his dismay, someone had left another board on his rack.

 

(Adapted from an old joke maligning the accordion).

post #118 of 120
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

The problem with monoskis is that you can't split them up on the racks to keep people from stealing them. The good thing is  . . .  well you figure it out.

Heard about this guy who put his monoski on his car rack but forgot to lock it when he went into the bar for an apres.

And when he came back, much to his dismay, someone had left another board on his rack.

 

(Adapted from an old joke maligning the banjo).

fify

post #119 of 120
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Originally Posted by oldgoat 

fify

OK, dude, here we go.

Definition of "perfect pitch"  - the sound an accordion makes as it tumbles down a rock strewn slope

and crashes into a banjo.

post #120 of 120

hello all

 

A new video of the winter day in the resort of contamines Montjoie.

 

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