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Best club race ski among these: Dynastar Speed Course Ti, Blizzard R-Power, Kastle RX12, Stockli SX

post #1 of 19
4/4/12 at 5:15pm
Thread Starter 

Interested in your opinions on which of these cheater GS's you'd personally pick for eastern club racing, why. 

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post #2 of 19
4/4/12 at 5:18pm

Dynastar Speed Course Ti -- because I am selling a pair in 172 length.

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post #3 of 19
4/4/12 at 10:04pm

You might consider a longer ski, what ever brand you buy. The F.I.S. cheater ski tends to be softer in the shorter length.

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post #4 of 19
4/5/12 at 12:28am

I can only comment on the Stockli SX, but...... wow. This is a ski that makes you want to find hard groomers to ski fast on and things to turn around  (Me 185cm/90kgs my SX 178cm).  Last year Dawgcatching seem to think it was one of the best front side carving skis around.

 

 

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post #5 of 19
4/5/12 at 5:55am

I'll take whichever one is guaranteed to get me from Nastar Silver to Gold! But we all know the truth is it takes a lot more than a slightly better ski. Nastar performance, unlike bump, powder or off-piste, is objective and I've never blamed my skis for the announced handicap following a run.

 

In the equipment oriented sports that I participate in (biking, golf and tennis) new equipment may have a very slight advantage, but, really there is no magic, only more and better training and technique. Pick your favorite ski manufacturer or color or price.

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post #6 of 19
4/5/12 at 6:50am

Probably the Course Ti, it is fairly closely based on the full race stock ski.  Lengthwise I would suggest at least 180

 

However, as I have said before,  am not a great fan of "cheaters" - they are not the same as the real race ski.    I would suggest you also look at a 23m womens race stock ski l.  It will give you more and I think you will find every bit as easy to use as a cheater in your suituation

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post #7 of 19
4/5/12 at 7:45am

Depends where you are racing. Sometimes a FIS ski will be better than a cheater, sometimes not. Of course it's hard to separate the performance of the ski from that of the skier too. One of my friends who is a Blizzard rep switched from the FIS GS to the R-Power and went backwards big time. He looked great on it, but he wasn't fast.

 

The only two of those skis I've skied on were the RX and the SX. Both too turny IMHO. The RX in 184 might be a good racer though.

 

I'm looking at adding the Nordica GSR EDT Evo for next year - looks like a pretty serious ski as cheaters go.

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post #8 of 19
4/9/12 at 10:02am
Thread Starter 

Helpful responses, have dropped some of these from consideration (RX, R-Power, SX) bump for three additions: Rossi GS Masters, Blizzard GSR, Stockli non-FIS GS. These are 17-18 m at 174-175 cm, range that has been recommended for me for tighter courses. I own a Rossi FIS spec SL (2008-2009), which I've used, but it's not optimal obvously. 


Edited by beyond - 4/9/12 at 10:24am
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post #9 of 19
4/10/12 at 10:46am

Try the Rossi GS skis.  Have had the Radical 9 GS in 175 cm (am 6'2" 180 lbs) for 2 seasons.  They ride like rails, unflappable, great power out of the turn, won't give anything away in a race.  But also actually a fun general front-side ski - surprisingly versatile.  And won't punish you if you don't ski like Didier Defago... 

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post #10 of 19
4/11/12 at 1:10pm

Find someone in the league who has one or more of these and try them.  I love the Stockli SX but it has a different feel on the snow than a Rossi and it is all a matter of personal preference.  The extra confidence provided by the SX (incredible grip) also helped me improve my skiing so that I am now more comfortable and competent on stiffer, longer radius skis.

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post #11 of 19
5/3/12 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by epic View Post

Depends where you are racing. Sometimes a FIS ski will be better than a cheater, sometimes not. Of course it's hard to separate the performance of the ski from that of the skier too. One of my friends who is a Blizzard rep switched from the FIS GS to the R-Power and went backwards big time. He looked great on it, but he wasn't fast.

 

The only two of those skis I've skied on were the RX and the SX. Both too turny IMHO. The RX in 184 might be a good racer though.

 

I'm looking at adding the Nordica GSR EDT Evo for next year - looks like a pretty serious ski as cheaters go.

Why would a FIS ski be faster (especially on smaller hills with tighter course sets) or does it depend on ski and ability

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post #12 of 19
5/3/12 at 6:06pm

Got a couple race skis up for purchase that you might be interested in-- Dynastar WC GS and Volkl WC GS.  Let me know if you're interested.

http://www.epicski.com/t/112191/the-racedude-will-no-longer-be-racing-race-and-recreational-ski-and-ski-accessory-sale#post_1460801

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post #13 of 19
5/4/12 at 3:57am
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Why would a FIS ski be faster (especially on smaller hills with tighter course sets) or does it depend on ski and ability

 

It's at least partly because of materials, but mostly because those skis just want to go down the hill. Cheaters usually want to go across it more. If you can tame the beast the FIS is usually faster.

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post #14 of 19
5/5/12 at 10:27am

How much?

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post #15 of 19
5/5/12 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by TallSkinnyGuy View Post

Dynastar Speed Course Ti -- because I am selling a pair in 172 length.

How much?

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post #16 of 19
5/5/12 at 3:56pm

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2012-Dynastar-Speed-Course-WC-Raceflex-175cm-Skis-w-PX-Racing-15-MFX-Bindings-/190666592975?pt=Snowboarding&hash=item2c649d52cf

 

as a new option.

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post #17 of 19
5/5/12 at 4:48pm
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How much?


Here's the link to my FS post including a pic:

http://www.epicski.com/t/110671/fs-ft-2011-dynastar-speed-course-ti-172cm-px-12-bindings-used-one-day#post_1453650

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post #18 of 19
5/6/12 at 5:32am
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Depends where you are racing. Sometimes a FIS ski will be better than a cheater, sometimes not. Of course it's hard to separate the performance of the ski from that of the skier too. One of my friends who is a Blizzard rep switched from the FIS GS to the R-Power and went backwards big time. He looked great on it, but he wasn't fast.

 

The only two of those skis I've skied on were the RX and the SX. Both too turny IMHO. The RX in 184 might be a good racer though.

 

I'm looking at adding the Nordica GSR EDT Evo for next year - looks like a pretty serious ski as cheaters go.

 

I'm a fast beer league racer.  On skis 5 or 6 days a week and mostly in a course racing or working with kids.  I ski Nordicas and Blizzards.  I have skied the Nordica's you entioned above and they are really nice skis and fast.  I believe I also skied an EDT Spitfire?  Not sure, but I actually liked these better in/out of the course.

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post #19 of 19
5/6/12 at 7:01am
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I'm looking at adding the Nordica GSR EDT Evo for next year - looks like a pretty serious ski as cheaters go.

We have a pair at the shop that came in for a VIP, it does look like a real sweet ride. 

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