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post #1 of 24
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Just curious what everyone is using for GS (Nastar) skis in length and type (FIS, Cheaters, etc)?

I am new (after a 20 year layoff) into racing and trying to get a feel as to what everyone is skiing on now.

 

I just purchased a pair of 185 Cheaters (19.5 R) and second guessing myself on if this was a good size.


 


 

post #2 of 24
I think it is all quite relative.... to the Nastar hill, but I would not worry so much about the gear. I have seen Masters stress over 18 vs 19 vs 21 & 27 m skis & even a few stockpile now that the 35s are coming. What changes very little is their times. Any cheater GS or shorter Fis will be just fine!

Welcome back!
post #3 of 24

Right now? 186-193 @>27m. Next year? 193 @>27m and 195 @>35m.

post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post

Just curious what everyone is using for GS (Nastar) skis in length and type (FIS, Cheaters, etc)?

I am new (after a 20 year layoff) into racing and trying to get a feel as to what everyone is skiing on now.

 

I just purchased a pair of 185 Cheaters (19.5 R) and second guessing myself on if this was a good size.

 



Good choice! Of course we don't know anything about your weight or general skiing abilities, past or present, but at a glance, it sounds good!

post #5 of 24

I'm on 188s (27m) for FIS, 183s (23m) for USSA GS, and if jumping on a NASTAR set, I generally try to find a cheater in the high-teens for radius, but it really depends on the set.

post #6 of 24

Currently 190 27m FIS, 184 23m FIS, and 165 13m FIS

post #7 of 24

179 18.4 Cheaters, 183 >23M Womens FIS depending on the course.

 

post #8 of 24

184cm Atomic D2 FIS 23m

 

next year looking to add Nordica GSR EDT Evo 186cm at 20.5m

post #9 of 24

Ok this season for Masters I have used

 

183/188 27m Fischer and 182 25m Blizzard for GS

165 Dynastar and Atomic D2 for Slalom

 

(I used to be indecisive, now I'm not sure  smile.gif)

 

If i was going to race Nastar, i would just take the 183 27m which is what i have been training and free-skiing on.  YMMV

post #10 of 24

This year for Masters, 183 cm 24.3M Atomic GS, 165 cm 12.7 M Atomic SL.  Next year, I'm also going to try a pair of 158 SLs. Oh yeah, 201 SG for turning SGs, 205 SG for open SGs, 210 SG for Masters DH, all Atomic...

post #11 of 24
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Good choice! Of course we don't know anything about your weight or general skiing abilities, past or present, but at a glance, it sounds good!



Thanks all for the input.  I am 180, 5'10. Strong skier (full cert PSIA 30 years ago) new to racing.  I am trying to get in the night league at Wachusett.

I see eveyone there on anything from 160 to 195 and trying to figure out the optimum size for that venue. 

 

post #12 of 24
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Thanks all for the input.  I am 180, 5'10. Strong skier (full cert PSIA 30 years ago) new to racing.  I am trying to get in the night league at Wachusett.

I see eveyone there on anything from 160 to 195 and trying to figure out the optimum size for that venue. 

 



than a 155 SL and a 180+ GS should be just fine. best thing tho is to go out and try diff lengths, FIS non-FIS cheaters, and fine the one that suits you! have fun racing! 

post #13 of 24
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than a 155 SL and a 180+ GS should be just fine. best thing tho is to go out and try diff lengths, FIS non-FIS cheaters, and fine the one that suits you! have fun racing! 



I would recommend a 165 SL for what you are proposing rather than 155.  Gives you a bit more flexibility.  You will find the 155 too skittish for a beer league course at your size. 

post #14 of 24
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than a 155 SL and a 180+ GS should be just fine. best thing tho is to go out and try diff lengths, FIS non-FIS cheaters, and fine the one that suits you! have fun racing! 



I'm smaller than that and have issues handling a 155 SL. Literally out of control on them. Much easier for me to ski in and out of the course on 165cm SL skis. That's just me though.

post #15 of 24
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I would recommend a 165 SL for what you are proposing rather than 155.  Gives you a bit more flexibility.  You will find the 155 too skittish for a beer league course at your size. 


What I finally bought was Head WC ISpeed 185 with a 19.5 r.
 

I noticed on the World Cup a lot of racers are on Heads but very few racers on the local hills using them. I see mostly Atomic, Volkl, and Fischer and a lesser amount Rossi and Blizzard.

What is local bias against Heads? It can't just be the sponsorship on the World Cup. They would not use them if they could not win on them.

I cruise on Head Titan 177's and love them.

 

 


 

 

post #16 of 24
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What I finally bought was Head WC ISpeed 185 with a 19.5 r.
 

I noticed on the World Cup a lot of racers are on Heads but very few racers on the local hills using them. I see mostly Atomic, Volkl, and Fischer and a lesser amount Rossi and Blizzard.

What is local bias against Heads? It can't just be the sponsorship on the World Cup. They would not use them if they could not win on them.

I cruise on Head Titan 177's and love them.

 


Just because the WC'ers are on them mean that they work for everyone. You see people on Atomic, Volkl, and Fischer because they work better for people you are seeing on them. Heads are rather stiff (esp in the tails), and I've seen alot of kids around here jump on the Head bandwagon and have issues skiing on them, mostly loading up on the tails and losing it on course.

 

post #17 of 24

I have only done about a half dozen Nastars the last two years and have mostly used my 172 cm 16 r Dynastar Contact 10s, but have tried my 182 cm Dynastar 21 r GS skis a few times.

post #18 of 24

I am 5'8" @ 180# and race Nastar on Volkl Racetiger Cheaters, 168cm with a 15.5 radius. Our hill is rather small and the course sets tend to be tight. My 20 year old son is a pacesetter with a 9 handicap. He is also 5'8" but only weighs about 145# and races on Nordica GS racestock, 181cm with a 23M radius. Go figure......

 

Karl

post #19 of 24
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What I finally bought was Head WC ISpeed 185 with a 19.5 r.
 



I am sure they will work for you.  It is a slightly unusual combo length/radius.  Most people on a cheater stay at 180 or less.  Typically at 180+ it is either the womens  180/183 , 23m or  183/185/188  the 27m mens ski.  Let us know how they work for you

post #20 of 24

i meant 165 SL not 155 sorry for the typo.

post #21 of 24

Also see what I said in this thread...

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/111959/back-to-basics

post #22 of 24

2004 Head WC i.GS RD, 180cm@r>21m (actuallty r=23,8m).

 

Toned down a smidgen by swapping the ultra stiff Vist plate for a CP13 I had laying around. RDX plate would have been a better compromise but I didn't have one at the time.

 

I also have a Nordica Dobermann GS Pro 181cm@r=19m which I thought would be "easier" on our local bump, but I can't get happily balanced on them, so back to the Heads.

I'd like to try out the 185cm i.Speed instead of the Nordicas, but I have too many skis - I'll have to break and/or sell some stuff first ;)

 

And I spend a helluva lot of time on Head WC i.SL RD 165cm@r=13m, but I don't race them, only freeski.

 

 

post #23 of 24
2012: Blizzard 182cm r24 wFIS GS & 165cm r13 mFIS SL
2013: Völkl 188cm r27 mFIS GS & 165cm r12 mFIS SL

I will keep my old blizzards for club and free skiing.

I also tried a full length 191 Head GS this year but I personally don't like the ones I have tried since I switched from Head to Blizzard 5y ago. But Head is as good as any ski. My first masters gs skis were head cheaters skis. It was exiting uppgrading year by year. Don't go for full men's fis gs skis strait away.
post #24 of 24

186 cm r27 Nordica Dobermann GSR from a few years ago. I'm also getting back into racing after a multi-decade layoff. Honestly I picked these up because they were quite cheap and I didn't know if they were exactly right. But after a few days on them (out of the gates) I think they'll do just fine.

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