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The Tesla is another way for wealthy environmentalists to feel good about themselves and what they are doing about the environment except that many places in the world (perhaps most?) use coal or diesel to produce electricity... Al Gore would love this car!

 

 

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No doubt it makes no economic sense.  But, if you were going to buy a high end Audi, MB or BMW anyway, it's a nice option.

 

 

Exactly.  Tesla gives you all the enviro cred of a Prius, but you don't have to drive a freaking Prius around!  You actually get a legit kick butt car.  

 

What's not to like if you live within 100 miles of skiing and have $100K lying around?   If you pass the 100mi / $100K test it's a great ski car, which for better or worse is a fair number of skiers.  Have you seen what a house goes for in Vail?

 

I was actually being sarcastic because in some cases (not the Telsa) electric cars can save money over buying gas, but they do not help the environment when the electricity is produced by burning dirty coal vs burning gas in a efficient small gas engine car.

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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

The Tesla is another way for wealthy environmentalists to feel good about themselves and what they are doing about the environment except that many places in the world (perhaps most?) use coal or diesel to produce electricity... Al Gore would love this car!

It actually doesn't play out that way. The cost to mass produce electricity is well below the cost to inefficiently burn that same fuel in a combustion engine, and coal has zero geopolitical play and has been extremely stable over time. Which is why we are going to burn too much of it.

That doesn't make a Tesla an investment/return model in any way, but the economics of central power production with a domestic resource do play here.

http://www.upworthy.com/hippies-must-have-tampered-with-these-numbers-right-5?c=ufb1

post #183 of 188

This thread certainly has drifted, but I'll bite.  Not advocating for or against a Tesla (it certainly seems like a sweet car) or other plug-in electric cars, but it's not as simple as saying power is generated from coal, therefore electric cars cause more CO2 and other pollutant emissions.  

 

Large coal power plants are baseload plants, meaning that they pretty much run all the time.  They do not get turned off and on based on need.  Charging an electric car probably doesn't affect emissions at all.  

 

If we were so lucky to have the problem of too many people charging cars at once, and thus requiring more electricity from the grid, then additional power would have to be brought online, most likely through natural gas peaking turbines, which emit far less CO2 than coal plants.  (Not sure how much less, but a state-of-the-art baseload gas plant emits about half the CO2 of a comparable coal plant.)  It is unlikely that more than a handful of new coal plants will ever be built in the United States, so I'm not too worried about a coal-powered electric car.  

 

Of course, the best environmental result would be for new power generation to be supplied by modern gas plants, renewables, and distributed generation, supplemented by things like differential pricing, so that people who charge their cars during periods of low demand (like overnight), will be charged less for their electricity.  

 

Personally, I can see having an electric car as a second car for most trips (not that we need a second car as we all take public transit to work), but with only one car, and one that has to make the occasional long haul (including to the mountains in winter), a more traditional gas/diesel/hybrid car would be my choice, at least for now.  

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Article in today's NY Times on electric car charging stations:

 

Coalition of states seeks to spur use of electric cars

The New York Times | Matthew L. Wald

In an effort to spur lackluster sales of electric cars, California, New York and six other states said Thursday that they would work jointly to adopt a range of measures, from encouraging more charging stations to changing building codes, to make it easier to own an electric car.

The goal, they said, was to achieve sales of at least 3.3 million vehicles that do not have any emissions by 2025. The states, which represent more than a quarter of the national car market, said they would seek to develop charging stations that all took the same form of payment, simplify their rules for installing chargers, and set building codes and other regulations to require the stations at workplaces, multifamily residences and other places. …

The Northeast states have already been working together; one early result is a map of the more than a thousand charging stations between Maine and the District of Columbia. Vicki Arroyo, the executive director of the Georgetown Climate Center at Georgetown University Law School, said the group was working on uniform signage and more standard payment systems — the equivalent of an E-ZPass for electric charging.

post #185 of 188

This may have been mentioned earlier in the thread.  Sure seems like it would make a great ski car.

Twin turbo diesel AWD Wagon. 

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This may have been mentioned earlier in the thread.  Sure seems like it would make a great ski car.
Twin turbo diesel AWD Wagon. 

It has been mentioned. My problem is it is tiny iside with not enough room to fit adult skis and, for me, no stick.
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It's already here, Subaru makes it.

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Here it is 6 weeks ago after new paint on the front bumper, hood and roof. 9 years of going to VT just about every winter weekend takes it's toll.

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MADE it. unfortunately, subie stopped bringing the legacy wagon to the states. Still, one of the 2-3 cars I regret selling, my 06 Legacy wagon.
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