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Which first offpiste ski? Voelkl Mantra?

post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 

I am looking for help on selecting a ski for starting to do more offpiste

 

I usually ski on the Swiss Alps, primarily on piste with a pair of very old Voelkl P60 Slalom (yellow - which I love) and a 2 year old Crosstiger (which I don't love too much... to hard to steer)

 

I would like to do more offpiste as being 90kg (200lbs) I sink with the 165 P60.

 

I have tested Volkl Bridge: lot of fun, but it feels like skiing on a piece of soap when on piste

I've been recommended the Mantra, but I have not tried them yet

 

I am going to keep my P60 for the piste (and probably replace end of next season with some RaceTiger SL, as long as I find a good deal) but I want another pair for the offpist

 

Any suggestion?

I like Voelkl, but I am open to switch to another brand

 

Here is pretty easy to find Salomon, Black Crows, Stoeckli and major European brands

Not many K2...

 

Thanks,

Alberto

post #2 of 8

Lots of choices. Dynstar Sultan 85 work well on and off piste. You did not mentioned your ability level but they are easy to ski, hold a good edge, very versatile, short and long turns, for intermediates to advanced skiers. I found that at the upper speed range they are not as stable or confidence inspiring as my Mythic Riders or Blizzard Atlas.

post #3 of 8

Check out the Kastle FX 94, great on piste and off. Mantras are a great option as well but personally I think the FX 94 is a better ski. You probably can't find them out in euroland but Pm gear and DPS skis are great carbon fiber options that ski great at the resort and are super light for skinning in the bc. The DPS Wailer 99 is the best around if you can handle the significant rocker.

post #4 of 8

When testing these skis, you have to keep in mind that nothing with the length and width for off-piste conditions will feel anywhere near as good as your SL skis on the groomers, just like your SL skis won't be anywhere near as good in the powder as a wider, longer ski.

 

It's like comparing a rally car and an F1 car. Rally cars aren't set up to perform well on an F1 track; they're designed to handle rally courses. F1 cars aren't designed for rally courses; they're designed for race tracks.

 

On-piste performance shouldn't really be a major concern when testing wider skis. As long as you can make turns well enough to make it back to the lift comfortably, then that's all that matters. The important thing is how they handle your skiing style in the off-piste conditions you encounter. Remember, you're not going to be racing a slalom course with your off-piste skis, just like you wouldn't bring a rally car to an F1 race.

post #5 of 8
Thread Starter 

Kuma,

I will look for the Dynastar

 

Esales09,

I will probably be able to find the Kastle over here

 

CerebralVortex,

thanks for the advice - very helpful!

I am new to offpiste and I didn't realize till a few weeks ago how different they are from onpiste skis, both in technology/design and feeling when skiing

 

Then, whichever offpiste ski I buy, I'll keep a pair of P60 (or RaceTiger SL, hopefully in the future) in the ski locker :-)

post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 

Kuma,

I will look for the Dynastar

 

Esales09,

I will probably be able to find the Kastle over here

 

CerebralVortex,

thanks for the advice - very helpful!

I am new to offpiste and I didn't realize till a few weeks ago how different they are from onpiste skis, both in technology/design and feeling when skiing

 

Then, whichever offpiste ski I buy, I'll keep a pair of P60 (or RaceTiger SL, hopefully in the future) in the ski locker :-)

post #7 of 8

How about Blizzard Cochise @ 185? 

 

There are some great deals in Euroland-- as esales09 calls it-- at the moment. There's a place in Munich (seems skis ship pretty cheap in these parts due to special shipping arrangements), normally overpriced for everything, that has Cochises, with Marker royal bindings (and a few others) included and mounted starting at 500 euro. Pretty slick. 

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Originally Posted by AlbertoCH View Post

 

Then, whichever offpiste ski I buy, I'll keep a pair of P60 (or RaceTiger SL, hopefully in the future) in the ski locker :-)



Definitely do this. As you saw, bigger skis won't feel as nice on piste. So, when conditions aren't great off piste and you just want to carve around on the groomers, you'll have your SL skis to play with.

 

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