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post #31 of 42

Reasons, we don't need no stinkin reasons!

post #32 of 42


Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

Reasons, we don't need no stinkin reasons!


I am always confused, is it bad to have an even number of skis in your quiver, or is it bad to have an odd number of skis in your quiver?

To heck with it, just get another pair, repeat the discussion....

post #33 of 42


Originally Posted by don_weber View Post



I am always confused, is it bad to have an even number of skis in your quiver, or is it bad to have an odd number of skis in your quiver?

To heck with it, just get another pair, repeat the discussion....


Even number or else one's broke.

post #34 of 42


Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

Reasons, we don't need no stinkin reasons!


Ain't that the truth!  biggrin.gif

post #35 of 42
Thread Starter 


My last season's pair were '02-03 Crossmax 10s (180s) that I got on ebay for $65.  I loved them - I found them just almost perfect for what I normally do, but were a bit lacking given the conditions we had this past season - not the greatest groomer ski.  They were a great bump ski though, although I would've liked something a little higher-energy/response - stiffer, especially in the tail, maybe a little narrower underfoot and maybe a hair longer.  Unfortunately, I didn't get a whole lot of bumps in this year (what with the no-snow thing).  As it was, they almost lasted the whole 23 ski-day season, but one blew apart on day 22, so I'm back in the market.



I may have found my next season primary pair, at least based on specs, reports, and some dry-land bending.  I scored a pair of 2008 Salomon X-Wing Typhoons in 178.  Pretty good shape overall - a few nicks and scrapes, but nothing I wouldn't put on myself w/in 2 days of skiing.  A carver that is stiffer than the Crossmax w/ snappy tail, 16M radius, and 69mm underfoot (narrowest in the lineup).  Looks like a perfect fast bump ski.  $50 delivered.  One of the rubber tips on the shovel was missing, but I have a new pair of tips on the way from Salomon as we speak.  Sa-weet.


Still shopping for a backup pair - maybe twin tips (for no particular reason).  I also need new boots, but those aren't going to be second-market cheapies.  I've used freestyle boots for the last few years (Krypton Rampage) - OK, but they're not precise enough for mogul skiing, IMHO - I'm going back to a race boot.  What's the current version of a Lange Pink Panther?



post #36 of 42
Pink panthers... New Lange fit is a bit different, but the RS series are fine and the Rossi 'race' boots are the same with different color and graphics. Head RS boots are nice as well... Which ever fits.
post #37 of 42



I can relate, although I don't trash skis, I used the same pair for 20 years. I guess they were well made (Elan RC) slalom racing skis (205cm). I bought new skis this year after not skiing very much for the last 10 years. I am also a mechanical engineer, so I really enjoyed (and needed some therapy) getting up to speed on the new stuff.  Bottom line from my point of view, skis have gotten shorter, stiffer, and wider.  And more specialized. They are better made as well today.


I suggest you go to Ebay and by the Stockli Rotor 84 in 169 cm from Skiers shop in Vt. for $450.  They have demo's that are 2 years old and never skied. I bought a pair for my son, in 161 cm, and they are the best made ski I have ever seen. They are 85 mm wide and I guarantee they will ski better than anything you have ever been on.  Me, I bought a pair of Ski Logiks Ullr's Chariots in 178 cm, 101mm wide, skis like a pregnant slalom racing ski, and a pair of Rosi 9SL slalom racing skis, 70 mm underfoot, 175 cm long. 2 ski quiver for me, I am a big guy, 6'4" , 250 lbs. expert. I love Cannon and ski anything, anytime, any where. I loved the Chariots, but go buy the Slockli's for about $400 with bindings. Even you should get at least 2 seasons out of them.


The big difference in skis now is they are soooo much shorter that you can just ride the edges while carving short radius turns. You don't need to unweight and pivot the skis anymore, just roll em over and go edge to edge. The skis do most of the work now.  In moguls, its a little bit different story and I can "fly" from bump to bump if I want. Not sure which ski I own will be better, I haven't skied the Rosi's yet, they will be very stiff, but very quick. The Rosi's are on sale at O2gearshop online for $550 with bindings, brand new. That is a killer price as well. Very good ski, but not quite at Stockli's level of build quality. The Stockli's are the best built ski I have ever seen. The Chariots are pretty close to the Stockli's, but they are hard to find a deal on.

post #38 of 42

The people  on this forum who are in the ski business won't like this response, but personally I find very little reason to go out and buy new skis. My circumstances and ski ability sound quite similar to yours. After skiing very happily on ski swap skis (high performance ones)  for many years, I finally broke down and bought all new equipment late this season--late enough to get everything 50% off. I still spent $1000 on skis, boots, and bindings. I love the new equipment, but I think it would have skied the same if I had waited til next season to buy it or even bought it gently used. My ski buddy who has the latest and greatest of everything in the ski world has the sense to remind me frequently that " it is the archer and not the arrow that makes the difference."


There are so many great ski solutions out there right now that it is pretty easy to find a ski that will make you happy. I've had great luck buying skis out of demo fleets at the end of the season. We also have a great ski swap here locally where you can usually buy gently used equipment at 30-40% of new retail. You can also get great connections on forums like this one. There is always someone who bought "the wrong ski or the wrong length of ski who  just wants to sell. I'm quite happy to enjoy their cast offs. Very few people ski hard enough or frequently enough to "wear out" their equipment in a season or even two.


For my money, spend whatever you need to in order to get boots that work well for you. Skis are relatively easy. Find a few that fit the category/conditions you ski and keep your eyes open for the bargains. This Epic Ski site is a great resource for equipment reviews that provide a good starting place.


Ski equipment doesn't have to be expensive.   

post #39 of 42

Hey, Flash.  


the rest of us are over here.




(not so much a shopping thread as a "It all still works" thread).

post #40 of 42
Everyone who has posted is being quite diplomatic with answering your questions JayC. I can agree that a wide ski (90mm and up) is not required for an east coast skier but being stuck on a 60-69 mm width ski IMO is a bit foolish. From the way you described the type of skiing you enjoy requires a ski with versatility. For the most part I would say the biggest advancement in ski tech is giving the majority of all skis (although some skis race/powder) the verisitily you are looking for. People are right embrace the rocker. It doesn't mean you have to go with a full rocker and no camber there are hybrids but you will get optimal desired performance from Somthing with a bit of rocker if only in the front. The type of ski you seem to be describing (narrow/full camber) is a groomer/frontside ski with today's technology. I would reccomend a Blizzard Bushwacker and it thats too much rocker for you I'd suggest looking at the nordica sidecountry burner skis. If you are an expert skier you can utilize either of these skis to ther fullest on the eastcoast and it's worth spending alittle more on a relatively new pair. Check out the nordica burners, more camber only front rocker, alittle stiffer. Hope this helps.
post #41 of 42

I'm not being diplomatic at all.


The skis you have are great.  Last season I made do mostly with skinny (about 68 mm)  24-ish radius skis.  Rocker would have been nice in tight trees, or narrow steep chutes with blind corners and deep snow where one had to ski slowly while making tight turns.  Softer skis would have been better in bumps, SGs were better at high speeds and I did miss my 13-m Fischer WC SCs on the smaller hills, but only the last bit (lack of short radius ski) was a legit complaint (and I have to admit I often end up skiing too fast for their radius anyway).  My old (2002) Machete Gs work just fine in deep snow off-piste and on, so long as you don't try to ski slowly and turn on a dime when doing so.

post #42 of 42
Lol okay okay not trying to insult anyone who posted. All I'm saying, if Jay C is an expert level skier who skis 20-30+ days IMHO I see no reason he shouldn't invest in a pair of skis suited to him with newer technology (2010/2011/2012.) Anyone who has any sense can maintain a quality pair of skis for a few years regardless of ski type/conditions. I'm not in the "ski industry" I'm not trying I sell anyone anything. Just seems silly to me.
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