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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Would like to improve my overall skiing, carving and race times.  Ran three 8-10 handicap Nastar runs last season with the majority in the teens.  Not much time on snow this year, but have been in the mid to upper teens both times I ran Nastar.

 

Not the best videos in the world, but it is all I have at this point.

 

Breckenridge 3/23/12 on a soft course on a warm afternoon that was very straight in the middle

 

 

Vail 3/25/12- Blue groomer (I think going down to chair 11)...another warm spring day

 

Bumps off A Chair at Copper Spring 2011

 

 

Pictures

Keystone Parent-Child races March 2012

 

3 Pics Black jacket/tan pants in Green course 
 
3 Pics Black jacket/tan pants in Yellow course
 
 
Various 2011 Photos
2011_01_11_Vailc.jpg
Vail
 
2011_05_06ABasin.jpg
A-Basin (around Mother`s Day)
 
BreckGatheringA.jpg
Breck Gathering
 
IMG_4101epic.jpg
Breckenridge
 
Thanks

 

post #2 of 13

It's okay skiing.  Usually, I, along with everybody in this forum, will have a ton of specifics.  This time I'm just going to say...get into a Masters race program and do some training...

post #3 of 13

Hi, Mefree

 

 Not everyone is man enough to post a video ask how they can improve & I have great respect for that..

 

 In video 072 if Iam skiing those type of conditions I find it harder to ski if my feet are as wide apart as yours. But take what I say with a grain of salt & be your own scientist.

post #4 of 13

MEfree,

 

Your skiing is good, but some fundamentals are missing.

 

In the NASTAR:

 

You aren't getting your inside ski engaged. Try initiating your turns with the new inside leg by tipping the new inside ski to start your turn. Your outside leg will follow.

 

Your tuck could be lower; you want your hips and shoulders close to the same height. You also want your hands higher so that you are just seeing over them. Both of these things will make you more aerodynamic.

 

One great way to get faster in NASTAR is to practice your starts, especially skating. Try skating uphill to build strength. Skate downhill to get your timing right. Then really skate hard out of the start when you race. I was at Breck on the 23rd. I skated to about the 2nd gate, then did a single skate at the third gate.

 

Review some of the pictures in the Erika Krainz albums. You'll see a wide range of abilities. I'm sure you'll be able to pick out the good ones. You'll see that they are doing the things I mention. The one labeled '1 Pic' above shows you and another racer in the same shot. He is a good example to emulate. His hands are together, high, pointing to the outside and he has both his skis well engaged.

 

Freeskiing:

 

Inside knee engagement needs to happen earlier in the turn, at the same time as the outside ski is being engaged. Think about initiating your turns with the new inside leg as suggested above.

 

Your arms look kind of awkward as though you are hunched up in the shoulders. Let your shoulders relax and your elbows come down closer to your sides. Your inside arm also tends to get back by your hips. Let your inside arm come forward and towards your tips. This will help you develop better angulation.

 

I agree with SR55 that a masters race program would make a huge difference for you. Another option would be to get a VR season lesson pass.

 

I love the last photo, with the girl in the pink helmet. She and you look like you are having a blast!

post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input so far

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Krazzy Legs View Post

 In video 072 if Iam skiing those type of conditions I find it harder to ski if my feet are as wide apart as yours. But take what I say with a grain of salt & be your own scientist.


I thought the same thing when I saw that also...years ago I think I had my feet closer with older gear, but moved away from that.  For bumps, I think I could have them closer.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post

MEfree,

 

Your skiing is good, but some fundamentals are missing.

 

In the NASTAR:

 

You aren't getting your inside ski engaged. Try initiating your turns with the new inside leg by tipping the new inside ski to start your turn. Your outside leg will follow.

 

Your tuck could be lower; you want your hips and shoulders close to the same height. You also want your hands higher so that you are just seeing over them. Both of these things will make you more aerodynamic.

 

One great way to get faster in NASTAR is to practice your starts, especially skating. Try skating uphill to build strength. Skate downhill to get your timing right. Then really skate hard out of the start when you race. I was at Breck on the 23rd. I skated to about the 2nd gate, then did a single skate at the third gate.

 

Review some of the pictures in the Erika Krainz albums. You'll see a wide range of abilities. I'm sure you'll be able to pick out the good ones. You'll see that they are doing the things I mention. The one labeled '1 Pic' above shows you and another racer in the same shot. He is a good example to emulate. His hands are together, high, pointing to the outside and he has both his skis well engaged.

 

Freeskiing:

 

Inside knee engagement needs to happen earlier in the turn, at the same time as the outside ski is being engaged. Think about initiating your turns with the new inside leg as suggested above.

 

Your arms look kind of awkward as though you are hunched up in the shoulders. Let your shoulders relax and your elbows come down closer to your sides. Your inside arm also tends to get back by your hips. Let your inside arm come forward and towards your tips. This will help you develop better angulation.

 

I agree with SR55 that a masters race program would make a huge difference for you. Another option would be to get a VR season lesson pass.

 

I love the last photo, with the girl in the pink helmet. She and you look like you are having a blast!

Thanks Doug- I caught a glimpse of you at Breck http://www.epicski.com/t/111324/conditions-in-summit-county-co-spring/60#post_1448643

 

Before doing my ACL just after moving here, I was planning on doing the Masters Program (probably at Copper).  Last year and the year before, I did the unlimited adult group lessons at Keystone.  One of the things they had me work on was getting my hands higher as I tended to let my arms hang straight down previously.  What I am doing now is probably better than letting them hang, but agree with what you are saying about relaxing the shoulders and getting the elbows in.

 

I also agree about the inside knee and this is what I was working on Tuesday at Keystone (along with lessening tip lead which is something Rudi pointed out at last years Breck race camp and a pmts/masters racing friend reminded me of).  I worked on this last year on my own and with the KS lessons, but hadn`t thought about it this year until seeing the Erika Krainz pics.  I reviewed all of those pics and certainly noticed a wide range of abilities, but couldn`t pick out Jake Fiala, who smoked the field by at least a second (and 3 ahead of me) http://www.epicski.com/t/111265/parent-child-races-photo-ma

 

Looking forward to working on this tomorrow at A-Basin...Thanks

 
 

 

post #6 of 13

All good plans.  I guess it would be obvious, but especially on something as flat as the Breck Nastar course, a speed suit and some Cera F would probably help.  Again, you can work on a few issues, but if you really want to improve, get into a Masters training program and do some Masters racing.  I'm not going to tell you that NASTAR is tinker toys, but...well, just try some Masters racing...

 



 

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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post

Thanks for the input so far

 

 


I thought the same thing when I saw that also...years ago I think I had my feet closer with older gear, but moved away from that.  For bumps, I think I could have them closer.

 

Thanks Doug- I caught a glimpse of you at Breck http://www.epicski.com/t/111324/conditions-in-summit-county-co-spring/60#post_1448643

 

Before doing my ACL just after moving here, I was planning on doing the Masters Program (probably at Copper).  Last year and the year before, I did the unlimited adult group lessons at Keystone.  One of the things they had me work on was getting my hands higher as I tended to let my arms hang straight down previously.  What I am doing now is probably better than letting them hang, but agree with what you are saying about relaxing the shoulders and getting the elbows in.

 

I also agree about the inside knee and this is what I was working on Tuesday at Keystone (along with lessening tip lead which is something Rudi pointed out at last years Breck race camp and a pmts/masters racing friend reminded me of).  I worked on this last year on my own and with the KS lessons, but hadn`t thought about it this year until seeing the Erika Krainz pics.  I reviewed all of those pics and certainly noticed a wide range of abilities, but couldn`t pick out Jake Fiala, who smoked the field by at least a second (and 3 ahead of me) http://www.epicski.com/t/111265/parent-child-races-photo-ma

 

Looking forward to working on this tomorrow at A-Basin...Thanks

 
 

 



 

post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 

Which Masters program do you think will be best for next year?  From what I heard, Copper cut the number of training days while upping the price this year.

post #8 of 13

The other ones in reasonable proximity to you are Vail and Loveland. I'm a speed coach at Loveland. Ron Emery is the masters coach for all disciplines at SwissAm. We share hill and equipment with LRC. Video (most days) is posted on Sprongo. The RMM site, www.rmmskiracing.org, has links to all programs in the area.
 

post #9 of 13

I'm seeing some backseat position, and no real pressuring of the shins to initiate and hold a carve.

 

BTW, did anyone else notice the "feet locked together" old-time style on the skier who shows up right at the end of the first video skiing beside the course?

 

 

post #10 of 13

ME,

 

Your shoulders are leaned into the hill (e.g. A Basin pic). Keep them parallel with the slope (uphill shoulder higher). This will be the first step in making your turn initiation mechanics more efficient.

 

What are you doing for tuning your skis?

post #11 of 13


when i had this problem, the ski instructor had me do a drill where i kept the outside pole touching the snow, a day or so of consistantly thinking and doing this worked a treat, i can really feel the diffence with edge hold when i dont get my shoulders parallel with the slope
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post

ME,

 

Your shoulders are leaned into the hill (e.g. A Basin pic). Keep them parallel with the slope (uphill shoulder higher). This will be the first step in making your turn initiation mechanics more efficient.

 

What are you doing for tuning your skis?



 

post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post

ME,

 

Your shoulders are leaned into the hill (e.g. A Basin pic). Keep them parallel with the slope (uphill shoulder higher). This will be the first step in making your turn initiation mechanics more efficient.

 

What are you doing for tuning your skis?



 



Quote:
Originally Posted by rossymcg View Post


when i had this problem, the ski instructor had me do a drill where i kept the outside pole touching the snow, a day or so of consistantly thinking and doing this worked a treat, i can really feel the diffence with edge hold when i dont get my shoulders parallel with the slope
 



 


Funny you guys should say this...Rick S skied with a small group of us yesterday and while there was no official instruction planned, the one drill we did had us hold both poles like wands and have them touch the snow with the goal to level out the shoulders to get some counter.

 

post #13 of 13

I was also thinking about the skis. What skis are you on and how are they tuned? Learning how to tip the inside ski first and let the outside ski follow is not an easy fix. Be prepared for that. IMO your arms are perfect. Dont look for any fix. Stick with what you are doing. Work on other more important stuff Joining a mastes program is a great way of improving your overall skills as well as have some fun. From the videos and photos it looks like you are a good skier.

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