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post #1 of 22
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 Baseball season starts tomorrow. At 3 o'clock in the morning. In Japan. What the hell?  I remember baseball always seemed to start in America,(in Cincy if memory serves) at a time when most of us could watch. But Seattle and Oakland are going to start the season off in Japan. And by playing there, it's a 3am start for the fans of those teams. Anybody else think this is just one more reason baseball is a dying/dead sport?

post #2 of 22

No more chew, no more jock adjustments, no bowling over the catcher, and now this...

 

 

If they want to make baseball more exciting, start by making it costly for the pitcher to throw to other bases.  If the ball doesn't go over home plate call it a ball.  It should be called a ball when the pitcher throws to first (or second base) to keep runners honest.  That ought to liven things up some.  Nothing more boring than watching 5 throws to first in a row..  Make it cost the pitcher a ball in the batter count  to do that.

post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

No more chew, no more jock adjustments, no bowling over the catcher, and now this...

 

 

If they want to make baseball more exciting, start by making it costly for the pitcher to throw to other bases.  If the ball doesn't go over home plate call it a ball.  It should be called a ball when the pitcher throws to first (or second base) to keep runners honest.  That ought to liven things up some.  Nothing more boring than watching 5 throws to first in a row..  Make it cost the pitcher a ball in the batter count  to do that.



And I thought the Met ball thing was god awful.

 

post #4 of 22
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And I thought the Met ball thing was god awful.

 



nonono2.gif  Haven't been at a Mets game since 1989.  I'm wearing a Gooden 1986 throwback jersey right now.  Figures that they are caught up in the Madoff BS.  Magic just bought the LA Dodgers didn't he?

 

 


Edited by crgildart - 3/28/12 at 6:05am
post #5 of 22
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I actually am a Dodger fan although my love of baseball has slowly faded over the years. That an absolute a-hole like McCourt can profit after all of the crap he did, just amazes me. 2 billion for a baseball team?  Boggles my mind. I guess it can't get any worse for the once proud franchise. Hopefully they will put a good baseball guy in charge and let him do his thing without too much interference.

post #6 of 22
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 And by the way, if the Dodgers are worth 2 billion how much are they  going to get for the Mets?

post #7 of 22

Everything is more expensive in the city...

post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by chip inderhol View Post

 And by the way, if the Dodgers are worth 2 billion how much are they  going to get for the Mets?



Looks like the Mets are back in business, and they are calling this a bargain for them.  I guess Madoff was almost a genius.  Make sure the team owners are in on the profit side of the grift and stick it to all the players that the owners referred!

 

 

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Mets owners settle in Madoff case for $162M

 

 

Mets CEO Fred Wilpon and team President Saul Katz, co-majority owners, emerged smiling from a Manhattan federal courthouse after a judge announced the agreement, which makes it likely they'll pay much less than the agreed-upon $162 million, if any at all; guarantees they will owe nothing until the end of four years; and averts a high-profile civil trial.

 

 

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

No more chew, no more jock adjustments, no bowling over the catcher, and now this...

 

If they want to make baseball more exciting, start by making it costly for the pitcher to throw to other bases.  If the ball doesn't go over home plate call it a ball.  It should be called a ball when the pitcher throws to first (or second base) to keep runners honest.  That ought to liven things up some.  Nothing more boring than watching 5 throws to first in a row..  Make it cost the pitcher a ball in the batter count  to do that.



... or they could have one of your teammates toss the ball to the batter underhanded, then place a keg at second base so every time you reach second base you have to chug a beer before proceeding. This way all the players are hammered by the third inning, the score will look like a college football game... oh wait, that's how we played intramural softball in college. Maybe professional baseball should just stick to the rules that have been in place for the last 120 frickin' years. If you want excitement stick to the WWE Smackdown!

 

It's baseball, it's supposed to be kind of slow and drawn out


Edited by Whiteroom - 4/3/12 at 1:58pm
post #11 of 22

I've been saying it for years. Shot Clock. The pitcher needs a time limit to deliver the next pitch. 

 


Even if it's high, 20 seconds?

 

post #12 of 22
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I've been saying it for years. Shot Clock. The pitcher needs a time limit to deliver the next pitch. 

 

Even if it's high, 20 seconds?


Really?

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/pitcher_8.jsp

 

Look at rule 8.04, the pitcher has 12 seconds from the time he receives the ball and the batter steps into the batters box to deliver the pitch.

 

You know what makes baseball cool and fun? Understanding what is going on.

 

 

post #13 of 22
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 My issues with baseball are less with the game, and more with the way it is run. In the last 40 years or so it seems they (meaning the powers that be) just make one bad choice after another. From the DH in one league, to the strikes, to the naming of an owner commissioner, to a canceled world series, to inter-league play, to the rules making the all-star game a joke by requiring all teams to be represented, to furthering the joke by trying to get all the players in the game, to allowing a tie in the all-star game, to making the result of the game the deciding factor in home field for the world series.... I could go on. I used to fight with my brother to look at the box scores when I was a kid. Now I mostly feel indifferent.

post #14 of 22

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps.jsp

 

if you didn't think that was AWSOME you just don't like baseball. Changing the rules isn't going to help.

 

 

edit: and does anyone think that a consortium of extremely successful business people spending a record shattering amount on a baseball franchise somehow indicates a 'problem' with the business model? You don't have to like baseball... but it ain't 'broken'.


Edited by Whiteroom - 4/3/12 at 9:08pm
post #15 of 22
I mean pitch to pitch. Regardless or runners on or if the batter is in the box, or if the catcher throws it back poorly.

I've played and watched a lot of baseball. I can't recall ever a time where the umpire called a delay penelty on the pitcher. Speeding up the down time, would make the game more interesting to the fans and wouldn't change the game at all. Getting 3 hr games back down to 2 and a half would be a good thing.

Also, check out this link.....
http://mobile.beyondtheboxscore.com/2010/11/12/1809639/2010-pitch-times
Edited by surfacehoar - 4/3/12 at 9:44pm
post #16 of 22

Ahhh, the old "Red Sox vs Yankees Games are BORING" argument... it's OK to not like baseball. Really. If you would rather watch a 2hr A's vs Mariners game I can't even talk to you, we just aren't going to agree.

 

By the way, MLB regularly fines pitchers for delaying the games, I think Jonathan Paplebon was fined 7 times last year... it got him a 50 million dollar contract.

post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

 

It's baseball, it's supposed to be kind of slow and drawn out



I get that, the point of this thread is lame changes that seem to be attempting to change the  culture surrounding the game to appeal to a wider set of demographics instead of just us cranky old farts.  I quite enjoy the leisurely pace of the game, I can tell when someone is going to throw to first base 20 times so that the reliever can get sufficiently warmed up.  There's no better time to go pee and grab another drink.  I actually live less than 2 miles from the Durham Bulls ballpark.  We get to see several games a year.

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What I was saying is.. if you're going to change it, change it to something that makes some sense.

 

The pick off move to other bases never did make sense to me as not being a ball.  Granted that is always the way it has been.  How about letting the runners carry bats?  Could it be called a ball then?devil.gif 

post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by chip inderhol View Post

 My issues with baseball are less with the game, and more with the way it is run. 

 

... to the rules making the all-star game a joke by requiring all teams to be represented, to furthering the joke by trying to get all the players in the game, to allowing a tie in the all-star game, to making the result of the game the deciding factor in home field for the world series.... I could go on.


Have you seen an NFL All Star Game??? Talk about meaningless.

 

 Baseball is for sitting on a porch while the sun sets, listening to the game in the background. It doesn't require my full attention, I can read a book or cook dinner... whatever. When something 'happens' I can watch with more attention, there will be plenty of replays. That's what I like about it, it's a slow build-up through the summer into a crescendo of 3 weeks of amazing awsomeness in October. Baseball is perfect just the way it is.

 

 

 

(except there is no F'ng WAY that NL MVP Ryan Braun shouldn't have to serve his 50 game suspension)

 

post #19 of 22
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I get that, the point of this thread is lame changes that seem to be attempting to change the  culture surrounding the game to appeal to a wider set of demographics instead of just us cranky old farts.  I quite enjoy the leisurely pace of the game, I can tell when someone is going to throw to first base 20 times so that the reliever can get sufficiently warmed up.  There's no better time to go pee and grab another drink.  I actually live less than 2 miles from the Durham Bulls ballpark.  We get to see several games a year.

popcorn.gif

What I was saying is.. if you're going to change it, change it to something that makes some sense.

 

The pick off move to other bases never did make sense to me as not being a ball.  Granted that is always the way it has been.  How about letting the runners carry bats?  Could it be called a ball then?devil.gifin grade school we used to play baseball with a tennis ball and not enough players to cover the bases properly, to get runners out you would hit them with the ball instead of 'tagging' them. Really fun. Like a combo baseball/snowball fight or baseball/dodge ball. Different Game.

I never understood why it's OK to steamroll the catcher at homeplate but not the first baseman at first... but that would be a different game. The way to keep pitchers from throwing over is to make the runners stay on the base and disallow stolen bases... different game. I think it's great when the second baseman or shortstop try to sneak in behind a runner taking a lead on second, I love a snap throw by the catcher to first or third, I also love it when a 'seeing eye grounder' goes through a hole that was created by a fielder being drawn out of position because of a runner taking a big lead. Sure it slows things down... I still like it.

 

The very best way to speed up the game of baseball would be to have a computerized strike zone. Eliminate the human factor of poorly judged strike zone and the game will speed up... and the officials of any sport shouldn't be part of the game. Imagine if an NFL ref said "yeah, I was calling field goals slightly to the left today... that's my zone, it's the kicker's job to figure out how I'm calling things."

 

post #20 of 22
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Have you seen an NFL All Star Game??? Talk about meaningless.

 

 Baseball is for sitting on a porch while the sun sets, listening to the game in the background. It doesn't require my full attention, I can read a book or cook dinner... whatever. When something 'happens' I can watch with more attention, there will be plenty of replays. That's what I like about it, it's a slow build-up through the summer into a crescendo of 3 weeks of amazing awsomeness in October. Baseball is perfect just the way it is.

 

 

 

(except there is no F'ng WAY that NL MVP Ryan Braun shouldn't have to serve his 50 game suspension)

 


White I agree, and the NBA all-star game is god awful as well. The point is neither of those all star games were ever any good. The mid-summer classic was just that. Now it's not. Every team has to be represented and if every player has to play and if the game ends in a tie that's OK?  Sounds more like grade school soccer than baseball. Again, it's not the game, it's the way it is presented by those in charge. My OP was that they gave away the specialness of opening day for no reason. How many scribes have waxed poetic about the return of baseball and the meaning of life and all the other analogies. Tradition should matter to baseball. And Ryan Braun should tell us why he feels vindicated. The truth will come out B.S. doesn't cut it with me. And by the way, Dodger games are broadcast here in Portland so I get Vin; talk about perfect.
 

 

post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post


The very best way to speed up the game of baseball would be to have a computerized strike zone. Eliminate the human factor of poorly judged strike zone and the game will speed up... and the officials of any sport shouldn't be part of the game. Imagine if an NFL ref said "yeah, I was calling field goals slightly to the left today... that's my zone, it's the kicker's job to figure out how I'm calling things."

 


LOL, used to HATE the special treatment that Smoltz used to get. How about Michael Jordan's 3.5 step not travels?   However, I am going to disagree with losing the "human factor" in sports.  Benefiting from or being penalized by a bad call is also part of the game. The game without a human official and all decisions subject to that good or bad is also the game.  Playing under computer supervision is also A DIFFERENT GAME.  Wanna make everyone pee in a cup, xray every bat, and test every ball for foreign substances following each game too?   I doubt I would have ever watched tennis had McEnroe not spiced things up there arguing calls, good or bad.  I haven't watched a single match in its entirety since they perfected the cyclops, just the end of some.  As long as there are refs on the field of play the participants should be subject to the calls they make live.  It is totally stupid to overturn a call after a decision has been made.   Reversing a call is like granting a do-over.  That just doesn't happen in life after age 4. Maybe when we invent time travel we can grant even more do-overs.    Bad calls are a part of life, sports should reflect that.  If a particular ref makes a lot of bad calls they should be fired.  Let the losing team sue them if a bad call clearly costs them a playoff advance.

 

post #22 of 22

In attempts to out do Metta WP Artest (and possibly Mel Gibson)...

 

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Young arrested on hate assault charge

 

Detroit Tigers left fielder Delmon Young was arrested Friday on a hate crime harassment charge after police said he got into a fight with a group of men and yelled anti-Semitic epithets.

According to the details of the article that dude's got some serious issues..

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