Two question ask,please.
What kind of the turning?
Are that turning is up unweight or down unweight?
Can I use that turning type on down mogul?
Edited by norman - 3/23/12 at 11:12pm
It looks to me like you push yourself up, and once you have finished the push you are "unweighted" and start the new turn with a bit of a pivot, then continue the turn as your weight comes down to pressure the skis.
Most would call that up-unweight.
You can use any type of turn in moguls, though some types will work better than others and some typse will require more skill to work.
Just my opinion, and I'm just a skier, not an instructor, but....
02 is progressing towards down unweighting, but not quite there yet.
It is hard to tell in linked turns, because in order to "down unweight" you have to be up to start with, and how do you get up, and is there any left-over "up unweighting" still, when you start the turn? It is really a combination of up and down unweighting (as it should be if you are going to be doing unweighting turns).
Thank’s your repley.
I am not an instructor, too.
I have no real answer.
In my opinion that is different idea with you.
The first video is down unweight.
The second video “02” is up unweight.
Maybe I do up unweight like down unweight, do down unweight like up unweight.
But in my key point is what when I pole plant into the snow in time. I am After the start of ploe plant to extend my legs or I am before the start of ploe plant to extend my legs
How do you or anyone think about that?
IMO you may have In turn02 a slightly lateral movement by the initiate of the new turn. In "what kind of turn" you just up and down straightly.
In turn01 you made something like block pole plant.
I think turn 02 is the best, more flow and dynamic.
Here is how I think of up unweighting. You push yourself up (by pushing the world down with your feet/skis), this causes you to accelerate in the upwards direction, increasing your upwards speed. After the push, gravity will be used up to accelerate you in a downwards direction, while that is going on you don't have to support your weight, just like you don't need to keep pushing on the ground once you are in the air in a jump. You are unweighted.
Here is how I think of down unweighting. You suddenly pull up your feet, gravity is then allowed to accelerate you down to the earth because your feet are no longer pushing back to resist it. While you are allowing gravity to increase your downwards velocity, you are unweighted.
You can of course combine the two, which is the best way to do unweighted turns in my humble opinion.
Have not taught for a long time, but did teach those turns. Until about 1970 those were the dominant parallel turns from most ski schools. They are all up un-weighted turns. If you initiate your turn by extending the body, standing up, it is up un-weighted. They are still good tools to have in your skiing skill set, and were very effective with straight skis; they are just not the most effective turns with modern skis. They can work in the bumps, but again are not the most efficient with the today's gear.
The last turn is simply a parallel turn. Used for longer radius turns, sort of a Giant Slalom turn if you will.
The second was a wedlen (forgive the spelling), a linked shorter radius turn. Used more in flatter terrain and great in soft snow.
The first is a short-swing, wedlen with a check at the end of the turn. It was the go to turn for steeper slopes where speed control was more essential.
In all of those turns see how skier keeps sinking onto the skis, or getting shorter through the turn? That was how you could keep adding pressure to the ski through the turn. Thank you for posting those, they really are 3 good examples of skiing from a slightly different view.
From my understanding in up unweighting the legs are in more of an extended position in the middle of transtion. In bump skiing most often the legs should be in the most flexed position @ the top of the bump or @ highest point in trough & in the most extended position in the deepest part of the trough. (of course there are differnt ways to ski bumps)
From my experience by being in the stacked position @ the end of the turn @ the bottom of the trough. ( knees over toes & or ball of foot, tail bone about even with the back of boots upper body bent forward above knees with high edge angles & counter) Then to change edges flex & @ middle of trasition have the legs the most flexed which is where the highest part of the trough or bump occures as the skis are tipped to the other side.
I kinda think flexing to unweight in bump skiing works better so the legs are most flexed @ the highest part of the bump ?
Perhaps up unweighting works better for skiing crude sometimes when it is sometimes best to smash the snow by jumping ?
I think I ski the bumps the best when only my legs act like pistons moving up & down with my upper body having the least amount of travel up & down. I kinda think flexing to start the turn having the legs in the most flexed position when the skis are directly under the body works best. In little bumps one footed releases will allow for rapid fire turns but in bigger bumps 2 footed releases might be a little less resposive but I find they allow for greater control.
I use pole plant timing for two sort turn’s type.
I want to know what are that turn type what clear my idea what is up unweight or down unweight and am I can use that turn type on mogul.
I think first video turn type is more easy on mogul and steeper slopes.
When I can go to outside ski on next time, I will try use first turn type to do this down type on mogul . so I don’t know is that ok? maybe ok?
I'm not a big fan of the the terms 'up-unweighting' or 'down-unweighting' simply because your center of mass will rise in the transition in 97% of turns... regardless of whether you flex or extend at that moment in time. By some definitions the center of mass rising is 'up-unweighting'. I prefer to think of it as either extension or flexion (retraction).
In slower turns, especially in thick or un-tracked snow, extension during transition may be a better option to release the skis from the snow. In most higher speed/performance situations where more pressure is developed, retraction (flexing) is a quicker way to enter the new turn and makes it easier to maintain balance. That being said quicker isn't always better and sometimes extending off the outside ski will create a longer 'float phase' and create more deflection of the mass across the hill.
You are making some nice turns. The main diferrence in your turns & in mogul logic turns is in the unweighting
In the mogul logic video @ the end of the turn the legs are flexing to release & start the new turn as the skis start to travel underneath the body to the other side. In your videos most of the turns the legs are extending to start the new turn. The legs are extending as the skis start travel under the body to start the new turn. Legs flexing as the new turn starts just makes it easier to suck up the bumps.
Harold Harp has a few free videos on you tube that shows flexing to start the turn. Harold has books & dvds to help skiers learn
That being said I think Rick ( your ski coach ) would have a better videos for developing skiing skills because I have found nothing improves skiing better then doing drillls.