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Giro dopes?

post #1 of 16
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Anyone into euro road cycling? Each morning I get up and turn on the tv to watch the broadcast of the Tour of Italy at 7:30 am on OLN. Then I get off work and ride and watch it again in the evening. Today they were broadcasting highlights. What the hell? I thought. It's supposed to be the hardest mtn stage of the race where Simoni's gonna put more time into Frigo. But no. The cops raided all the hotels looking for drugs and the race organizers cancelled the stage.

To paraphrase a fan quoted on the velonews site it is like stopping the Super Bowl at halftime, sending the fans home and searching the lockers of all the players. Crimeny!

Of course the riders take the stuff but they are not the only ones involved in this culture. Despite the drugs they still work their asses off. It seems they get the crap end of the stick.

Maybe they should have an "open" class in which all substances are ok. If you die you die. If you mix up a more potent cocktail than another rider then you may win. Hmmm...

I think Pantani has been off the back cuz he is under such close legal scrutiny that he is not doping. His teammates seem to be cuz they have towed him all over Italy so far.

post #2 of 16
you just have to get the fans involved...
post #3 of 16
Great video...love the neon! Glad there are others that cannot survive north american tv without outdoorlife! Now if they could scrap up enough to cover the olympics.
Yeah, like a altered states olympics...Ben Johnson in my mind is still the fastest human to run 100M...no rocket up his a**! If he wants testicles the size of raisonettes, let him!
I enjoy euro cycling and WC skiing on OLN short of canadian coverage it is the best. And you get two or three tries to watch it a day! The tour will suck without the Mercury boys though...they got hosed!<FONT size="1">

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post #4 of 16
The tour is shapeing up a little odd this year. A bunch of big names will be absent, but their teams have not done anything this year and thus no invite. Too Bad Lance won't be able to give Pantani another stage win out of the goodness of his heart, even though the pirate would never admit that the stage was given to him........
post #5 of 16
Argh, this sucks. I followed 17 stage races and was looking forward to the monster alpine stage. 15 Seconds between Simoni and Frigo the Giro was heading towards an apex. Then this?

Without this stage the Giro is incomplete.
I'm confused on where they draw the lines. If the riders are pushed to the point where they have to rehydrate themselves through I.V. solutions and the UCI is comfortable with that... Then why get excited about Performance Enhancing Drugs?

Cut the distances, some of the climbing or a few of the stages so the riders aren't forced into PED's, doping or IV solutions just to stay competitive? Is this sacrilege?
post #6 of 16
Endurance is part of the gig, and team gamesmanship and strategy is critical...still getting dragged around the peleton by a group of domestiques for a 40km gas attack? That is why TTs and climbs round it out!
Losing this stage I fear will alter the outcome. Great documentary on Fast Eddie last night thought...the cannibal was incredible!
post #7 of 16
Just for the point of argument - if you are sticking a needle in your arm and dumping in a couple of liters of processed saline that blows the whole God's Gift argument doesn't it? I suggest that places an unfair disadvantage to those who can process water more efficiently or who budget their intake wiser during the stages. Doping isn't necessary, but IV's are? Once riders start injecting saline you kind of get this culture of the needle thing going….

My suggestion is that the stage races are set up that they are so difficult the athletes cannot compete without medical intervention. Now the UCI is rather inconsistent on this issue.

With cheating so widespread, a shadow is cast over Lance's feats. How does anyone KNOW for a fact he's clean?


post #8 of 16
Frigo is out - fired by his team for possession of PED's. I sure they must have been shocked by such an admission...


post #9 of 16

But there has got to be something to being able to hydrated orally. Natural body processes. I get you dirtsqueezer but I am not sure if I agree.

post #10 of 16
One can argue accelerating rehydration via I.V. you are amplifying the body’s ability to recover and metabolize. By allowing the use of IV solutions you are handicapping those riders who would have a superior ability to naturally manage fluids during a 21stage race. There is no “pure competition”, just shades of gray.

To me this issue of setting up IV rigs as accepted procedure is just begging for trouble with drugs. Too damn easy to rationalize taking it to the next level.


post #11 of 16
a neophyte's question:

is there a clear distinction between what constitutes "bad" "restoration" and "good." for instance, saline and caffeine are fine (right?) while blood doping is not, right? sorry to interrupt with ignorance but where is the distinction between that which is, say, simply replenishing and that which is providing an unfair advantage?

also, re UCI, is this group anything at all like the Rulers of FIS and Formula One auto racing, where there are clear politically motivated maneuverings highlighting favoritism?
post #12 of 16
Here's the link to all 6 pages of banned substances for UCI


post #13 of 16
Ryan - I didn't really come close to answering your question with that post up above. UCI is an international governing body for cycling. Not sure if it is the body or not, but seems to have authority on the European races including the Giro and Tour.

Multinational, appointed members, political as all get. Interestingly, I read that the UCI had contacted good old Juan Antonio Samaranch (sp) of the Olympics to get his input on handling the Giro debacle. Now there's a sign of integrity….

Gonz - I'm just blue sky talking here, tossing out some ideas for discussion. Clearly IV's are allowed in the rules, end of story. I may have got bogged down in minutia, discussing these things is entertaining and a good escape from the daily grind. I do hold that the stages are set up by the organizers that essentially force the riders to take some fairly extreme medical actions to finish yet alone win. The stages are glorious and an ultimate test of endurance. Too bad this season is starting with such a foul aroma.

Hope to spend more time on the bike and less in front of the computer over the weekend.

Later and thanks for the insight.


-DS-<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by dirtsqueezer (edited June 09, 2001).]</FONT>
post #14 of 16
Just remember it's not the UCI busting these riders for drugs - it's the italian and french cops.

And it's not just cyclists - although they are the major target. They have nailed a few footballers too.

So if the UCI says Powerade is a banned substance - the cops step in and start arresting people and throwing them in jail.

How do you think that would play out in the U.S.?

What are these guys really guilty of, anyway - cheating in a bike race. They are'nt out knocking off 7 - Elevens to get an EPO fix. If you cheat in hockey you get 2 minutes in a box, in football, you get set back a few yards.

So maybe they should kick these guys out of the sport.

The list of cyclists accused of doping is long and includes many of the sports heroes - including Eddy Mercx. In addition what's legal today is illegal tomorrow.

It's all a very sticky issue for the UCI - but should the police be involved?
post #15 of 16
Actually, In this sort of stage racing, I kind of agree with DS. Let's face it. If yu have to ride 200km today, then 220km in the mountains tomorrow, then the body's natural ability to recover quickly, comes WAY into play. These guys don't go full-out on any one ride because they can't put themselves in a situation where they won't be up for the next day's ride. It's like the difference between running a marathon, and doing the eco-challenge. No eco-challenge competitor would run 26 miles in 2:15, even if they could, knowing they'd have to run it again tomorrow.

I think there may be a lot of road riders that could keep up with these guys for one day. But they're ability to recover, and do it 21 times in a couple of weeks is what keeps them from actually competing. So what DS says, has some validity.
post #16 of 16
For clarification, my statement:
<< Cut the distances, some of the climbing or a few of the stages so the riders aren't forced into PED's, doping or IV solutions just to stay competitive? Is this sacrilege >>

was meant to be a question to spark discussion, not an argument that doping is necessary in these stage races.


-DS-<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by dirtsqueezer (edited June 12, 2001).]</FONT>
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