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post #61 of 87

I just want a McLaren win, I can't decide if I dislike Red Bull, Alonso, or Ferrari the most. I don't think Ferrari deserves a WDC or WCC with the car they put out this year.

post #62 of 87

I think Alonso finishing 2nd in the driver's championship will be a far greater accomplishment than Vettel's three-peat. One gets the impression that any driver not named Mark Webber could reasonable win the driver's championship with the RB.
 

post #63 of 87
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I think Alonso finishing 2nd in the driver's championship will be a far greater accomplishment than Vettel's three-peat. One gets the impression that any driver not named Mark Webber could reasonable win the driver's championship with the RB.

 

Agreed. What he has done with a car that is not quite as good as the RB this season is amazing! Kudos also to Scuderia for a truly excellent team performance in reliability and pit work. The days of Lambrusco lunches for the crew are long gone!

Here in Austin for the race. The track is pretty darn good, room for Overtaking, good sight lines from most of the bleachers and lots of variety. Wish I had seats for turn 1 for Sunday going up the hill, that should be exciting. Anyone want to run a book on how many places weber loses from there?

if they can get the rest of the arena finished it will be quite something. They still need to work out the transportation bugs though, they were pretty disastrous. Montreal has it well dialed in but a lot more work needed here.

As to practice, they were all (bar vettel) running more laps than usual to get diallled in and get some rubber on the surface. We were at turn 9 which gave us a decent view. A few laps of vettel and Alonso playing some mind games with each other and sandbagging to check each other out wer interesting! Going downhill out of 9 through 10 Kimi looked the most committed
post #64 of 87

I was also in Austin for that race!  I was on Turn 15.  Very cool experience.
 

post #65 of 87
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Great to hear some Bears were there enjoying COTAicon14.gif

 

This news is a few days old but I just learned:

 

"Veteran motorsports voices Leigh Diffey (play-by-play), David Hobbs (analyst) and Steve Matchett (analyst) will form the new broadcast team for the NBC Sports Group’s Formula One coverage, which begins in March 2013.


Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20121115/f1/121119885#ixzz2ChEcuH97

 

I'll miss Bob Varsha.  Leigh does a fine job though, imho and maybe by the end of twenty GPs he'll develop a better relationship with David and Steve.  Really glad those two will be back as I really enjoy the insight that they (especially Steve) bring.  No news on a pit reporter.  I wonder if they'll employ one.  Personally I've warmed to Will Buxton but I'd still love to see the return of Peter Windsor.

 

All in all I'm way pleased by this news.  I figured Bob wouldn't be able to go work for NBC so everything else is all good.

post #66 of 87

Did Speed keep Varsha just for Barret-Jackson, or what?

 

I just hope they show the races live. I like watching the race first thing in the morning and then going on with my Sunday. I'm not going to spend 20 Sunday afternoons in front of the TV, nor do I want to spend 20 Sundays on internet embargo to avoid spoilers.

post #67 of 87
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Hmm, hadn't thought of that.  I prefer them live so they're ready to go on my DVR.  I'll bet skipping the commercials will be much sweeter on NBC.  Delayed wouldn't bother me too much as long as they show the whole thing.  Edited to fit a time slot is right out!

post #68 of 87
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I was also in Austin for that race!  I was on Turn 15.  Very cool experience.

 

Yeah, for a first time they did a pretty good job. A good race as well. Turn 15 was the other area I would recommend. From turn 9, because of the elevation you could see all the way back to turn 6, down to the hairpin at 11 then the back straight and drs zone opposite. One of the most surprising things about the circuit is how many elevation changes there are, and they are quite significant!

I suspect for next year they will select softer compounds for tires to try to drive some strategy around 1 or 2 stops. Realistically they could have run the full race on the silver compound. The other issue was that it was taking 2 to 3 laps to get tires up to temp in qualifying
post #69 of 87
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I suspect for next year they will select softer compounds for tires to try to drive some strategy around 1 or 2 stops. Realistically they could have run the full race on the silver compound. The other issue was that it was taking 2 to 3 laps to get tires up to temp in qualifying

I never really heard a good explanation of this.  What's so different about COTA that makes it so 'easy' on tires?  The ratio and timing of straights to turns?  Lack of extremely demanding corners or just the wrong compounds?  Seems like the issue at other tracks was making the tires last long enough.  Here they stay cold and last forever.

post #70 of 87
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I never really heard a good explanation of this.  What's so different about COTA that makes it so 'easy' on tires?  The ratio and timing of straights to turns?  Lack of extremely demanding corners or just the wrong compounds?  Seems like the issue at other tracks was making the tires last long enough.  Here they stay cold and last forever.

 

Hard to tell BF.  The ratio of turns to straights would be part of it I suspect although probably not much different to Monza or Silverstone.  Also the temperatures were (relatively!) lower than a lot of European races as it was only around 70F and there was also a bit of a breeze most of the time.  I am not sure of the current Pirelli color coding.  They used silver and white here which may be at the harder end of the spectrum as they were playing it safe not knowing what would happen.  They were getting 20+ laps out of the softer whites and when Jenson switched to softs later in the race (he was one of the few who started on hard compound) it didn't seem to help him much

post #71 of 87

I think a lot of it has to do with what the road surface is composed of, but also really long braking acceleration and cornering events.

post #72 of 87

Australia is this weekend. Just btw. Anyone betting against Vettel winning another Championship?

post #73 of 87
Is Adrian Newey still there? If yes, then no. But I am rooting for Fernando or Kimi to come through and topple the Red Bull death grip.

Can't wait until Sunday!
post #74 of 87
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It's hard for me to believe that this thread hasn't been started yet.  Man, what a bunch of skiing slackers we are =)

 

So the Australian GP has come and gone, only thirty two more stops on the calendar.... or something like that.  The reflective silver cars look like the class of the field so far with Red Bull not too far behind.  The red cars look like also ran machinery with one driver who can make it half way work.  I'm kinda excited about Lotus/Renault.  RoGro looked like a world beater in qualifying then got passed by the world at the start, Kimi was taking a nap when he should have been qualifying then shocked the world in the race.  If this team gets it all together (and can keep pace with in season development) they should be fun to watch this year.  Also, kudos to Kamui Kobiashi who had a really nice run.


It hasn't gone yet, it is on tomorrow.

post #75 of 87
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It hasn't gone yet, it is on tomorrow.

 



The original post was about the 2012 season. I guess I should have created a new thread for 2013, but that seems so wasteful. Heckuva rainstorm earlier. Wonder if they're going to live-televise the final two rounds of quali now (in the US I mean).

 

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post #76 of 87
I was thinking the same, but the local NBC Sports doesn't appear to be airing qualifying. If the race starts at 01:30 EST, you'd think qualifying would start by 9 or 10PM, right?
post #77 of 87

Started at 8 Eastern. Maybe they'll show it right before the race (there's something on my cable guide that says Qualifying -- I'd like to hope they're not just re-showing the guys grousing about the rain). Of course I looked already, so I probably won't watch quali either way now...
 

post #78 of 87

Webber???????????? WTF?  Did you see that start?  My grandma is quicker off the line!  2nd to 7th in 2 seconds.  Well done.  nonono2.gif

post #79 of 87
Horner/Newey should fire Vettel tomorrow before this turns into the McMerc Alonso/Hamilton season from a couple years back.
post #80 of 87
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Horner/Newey should fire Vettel tomorrow before this turns into the McMerc Alonso/Hamilton season from a couple years back.

Yeah, that'll happen.  Miami Heat should fire LeBron James too.  He's kind of a jerk.

 

The FIA changes the rules all the time in an effort to keep the races from being boring.  Team orders=boring racing.

 

If Mark Webber wanted to be the winner he should have turned his engine back up and passed the impish European.

 


 

From BBC:

 

Mark Webber, who finished second: "The first part of the grand prix went very well for us. In the end we got the right strategy and after the last stop the team told me to turn the engine down. Seb made his own decisions and will have protection as usual. I turned my engine down and as we know he's a quick pedaller."

 

Allan Webber [Mark's father] on Sky Sports: "I am disappointed. We're with Red Bull and Red Bull is a European company and they probably wanted a European driver to win but Seb is a great driver."

post #81 of 87

Highlights for me were Alonso going off, and Ham trying to pit at McLaren. I'm not sure how the points are, but I hope Massa is ahead of Alonso and the Scuderia will end up having to make some decisions.

 

WRT Red Bull, the team told them to race to a certain pace to keep degradation down. If Webber had raced Vettel back, they would have both lost to a Mercedes car.

post #82 of 87
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WRT Red Bull, the team told them to race to a certain pace to keep degradation down. If Webber had raced Vettel back, they would have both lost to a Mercedes car.

Yeah, that'd be okay with me.  In fact, it'd even be okay with me if RB tire degradation meant a red car win.

 

I do see a bigger picture than I'm representing here but the core of it for me is "let's slow down so we can win" is just wrong in racing.

post #83 of 87
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Yeah, that'll happen.  Miami Heat should fire LeBron James too.  He's kind of a jerk.

The FIA changes the rules all the time in an effort to keep the races from being boring.  Team orders=boring racing.

If Mark Webber wanted to be the winner he should have turned his engine back up and passed the impish European.




From BBC:

Mark Webber, who finished second:
 "The first part of the grand prix went very well for us. In the end we got the right strategy and after the last stop the team told me to turn the engine down. Seb made his own decisions and will have protection as usual. I turned my engine down and as we know he's a quick pedaller."


Allan Webber [Mark's father] on Sky Sports:
 "I am disappointed. We're with Red Bull and Red Bull is a European company and they probably wanted a European driver to win but Seb is a great driver."


I'm just bummed that BMW Sauber couldn't keep Vettel years ago.
post #84 of 87
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Yeah, that'd be okay with me.  In fact, it'd even be okay with me if RB tire degradation meant a red car win.

 

I do see a bigger picture than I'm representing here but the core of it for me is "let's slow down so we can win" is just wrong in racing.

 

That's a Pirelli/FIA problem, not a Red Bull problem. I agree 100% the drivers should be driving flat-out the whole time, not cruising in for a win, but unfortunately, the equipment demands it.

post #85 of 87
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That's a Pirelli/FIA problem, not a Red Bull problem. I agree 100% the drivers should be driving flat-out the whole time, not cruising in for a win, but unfortunately, the equipment demands it.

I don't know, man.  That's the approach that RB took and SV told them to shove it and he won.  Good for him, I say.

 

 

Def see your point though.  Like most anything that's highly organized and regulated, F1 gets in its own way quite a bit.  I often enjoy the circus aspect of it as much/more than the racing aspect. 

 

 

I've got to be honest here, I didn't see the race as NBC Sports doesn't seem to be a popular option in Montana Super 8s.  

 

So SV took the lead with 5 laps to go.  Did he then slow down to preserve tires and MW declined opportunities to pass?  Did SV do a better job of preserving tires so even though he slowed down after the pass MW didn't have the performance left in his tires to make a pass or did SV just have more pace at the end of the race, period?

post #86 of 87

The post-race has been awesome. I love when guys are petty and selfish -- Seb vs. Horner is setting up to be a great story. F1 is often better off the track than on. IMHO.

 

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post #87 of 87
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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post

I don't know, man.  That's the approach that RB took and SV told them to shove it and he won.  Good for him, I say.


Def see your point though.  Like most anything that's highly organized and regulated, F1 gets in its own way quite a bit.  I often enjoy the circus aspect of it as much/more than the racing aspect. 


I've got to be honest here, I didn't see the race as NBC Sports doesn't seem to be a popular option in Montana Super 8s.  

So SV took the lead with 5 laps to go.  Did he then slow down to preserve tires and MW declined opportunities to pass?  Did SV do a better job of preserving tires so even though he slowed down after the pass MW didn't have the performance left in his tires to make a pass or did SV just have more pace at the end of the race, period?

MW had already tuned his engine mapping down to conserve fuel and Vettel made it no contest when he got to the straights. I think Vettel put up a 1 second gap in each of the closing laps.
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