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post #61 of 67

Salomon (and every other competent manufacturer too) will be aware of demographics--people who ski are getting older.  It's an expensive sport compared to others too, and so, yes--I also think there is a market for RE or ME boots.

 

As I said earlier, I'm 54, and thus, realistically may still get better at this sport in the next fifteen years.  But it isn't going to matter...even to me...whether or not the next [insert name here] star wins a medal or not on the skis I buy.   I DID just buy the Hart F17 (World Cup) skis for next season because of the reputation of the ski itself (in part)...and knowing that the skis will ever be better than I am myself as a skier...but I bought skis from 2013.  I did that because of the design of  the ski itself and the purpose for it (which I hope works out)...and because my local area sports a lot of the bumps.

 

I did something similar back "in the day" when bought my Olin's.  Back then "Outhouse" at Mary Jane had a minimum ski length of 185 (mine are 206's)...which led to it sporting BIG bumps.  It was better then than I ever was (and it still is today)...but it's still my target.  I would like to someday know that run like I know the back of my own hand. 

 

I drive cars very fast--I'm good at it--but when I ski I ski in a controlled fashion, straight down the fall line with upper body held open and square to that line...and within a narrow corridor using multiple turns (slalom style).   I'm not a GS skier and certainly not a Downhill type, so almost EVERYONE on a hill passes me (except for those who stop--I will rarely stop, left to my own devices).

 

I do also like steep hills sometimes too when I can find them, which is why Mary Jane will always be a favorite of mine and why I'm looking at properties in Grand County.  

post #62 of 67
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Originally Posted by C Snow View Post
 

Salomon (and every other competent manufacturer too) will be aware of demographics--people who ski are getting older.  It's an expensive sport compared to others too, and so, yes--I also think there is a market for RE or ME boots.

 

As I said earlier, I'm 54, and thus, realistically may still get better at this sport in the next fifteen years.  But it isn't going to matter...even to me...whether or not the next [insert name here] star wins a medal or not on the skis I buy.   I DID just buy the Hart F17 (World Cup) skis for next season because of the reputation of the ski itself (in part)...and knowing that the skis will ever be better than I am myself as a skier...but I bought skis from 2013.  I did that because of the design of  the ski itself and the purpose for it (which I hope works out)...and because my local area sports a lot of the bumps.

 

I did something similar back "in the day" when bought my Olin's.  Back then "Outhouse" at Mary Jane had a minimum ski length of 185 (mine are 206's)...which led to it sporting BIG bumps.  It was better then than I ever was (and it still is today)...but it's still my target.  I would like to someday know that run like I know the back of my own hand. 

 

I drive cars very fast--I'm good at it--but when I ski I ski in a controlled fashion, straight down the fall line with upper body held open and square to that line...and within a narrow corridor using multiple turns (slalom style).   I'm not a GS skier and certainly not a Downhill type, so almost EVERYONE on a hill passes me (except for those who stop--I will rarely stop, left to my own devices).

 

I do also like steep hills sometimes too when I can find them, which is why Mary Jane will always be a favorite of mine and why I'm looking at properties in Grand County.  

You have some good points here. Yes, skiers are getting older but we are also on better shape than we ever have been...50 is the new 40 as they say. Manufacturers are quietly making "mid entry" boots, they are called "walk" or "hike" mode boots. 

post #63 of 67

Yes, fifty is certainly the new forty, and particularly so here where I live...and yet I've also noticed a marked aging of the general population, too, over the course of the last eighteen months or so.   It may not really be true--it may be simply that services are allowing the elderly greater freedom of movement (and so I'm just seeing more of them)...or it may be that we are experiencing a large influx of escaping Californians (for which this town is also known).  

 

I couldn't help but notice too that, during my last months sojurns to the local ski shop, almost everyone there was over forty (one younger guy was there for his son, and one college age fellow was there for himself).   The rest were all there, seeking service for their own interests, I do believe (as I was myself, snapping up end-of-season deals and swapping out one boot for another).

 

I have the idea the original Salomon patents have now expired...or will do so within another two years, thereby making "walk-boots" more available, at least in theory.  But it's how they perform on the slopes that is the ultimate determinate of the worth of their design too, and in that regard I do think the design--of some RE's specifically--still shows promise.

 

What might a young-gun type think of them his first time out on them?   I will admit...I'd be curious to hear what he had to say.

 

"Dude...I kinda like 'em...."

post #64 of 67
[quote But it's how they perform on the slopes that is the ultimate determinate of the worth of their design too, and in that regard I do think the design--of some RE's specifically--still shows promise.

What might a young-gun type think of them his first time out on them?   I will admit...I'd be curious to hear what he had to say.

"Dude...I kinda like 'em...."
[/quote]

My 15 year old son .... A graceful and competently aggressive carving ripper...

skis 2014 Atomic Redster FIS SL's for carving and /or 2014 Dynastar Superpipes in the park....

An accomplished "park dork" -he has skied 55 days plus in

each of the last three seasons ......in 1983 Hanson Spyders

He now clocks in at 225 lbs and 6'3. ..... he skis hard and rips deep

Can't speak for the Solomon plastic but I can prove that the

Hanson plastic is some of the best stuff around !
post #65 of 67

 Very cool.   So what DOES he think of them (in this case the Hanson Spyders)? 

 

I'm really curious, and I'm particularly curious if he wants to offer (or remembers at this point) his first impressions.

 

Thx for posting, in any case. 

 

 

CS

post #66 of 67

This thread is not about comfort, or performance or nostalgia. It's about old guys who cannot get their boots on or off, prolly because their backs and hamstrings don't allow it. I can relate, being an old guy. 

 

Three ideas: 1) Racing trick: get custom liners with laces, tighten 'em up, then slip whole deal into the shell. Happens smoothly, does not kill the top of the foot, since it's protected by the liner, doesn't require much drama or bending over. Exiting is a bit tougher, but you have more time, and maybe a few brews, to deal with it, and shell again doesn't lacerate foot. Bonus: No mank because liners dry between uses. 

 

2) Epic's comment, revised. Go buy some Full Tilts or Dalbellos. Cabrios are much easier to get on and off, beat two pieces in bumps and soft snow.

 

3) Get over it. Modern boots are flat better. Lasts more like a human foot, higher performance, warmer. And I speak as someone who owned all the classics, from the very first model of Langes ever made through Hansons to the Sollies. The real definition of age is longing for the good old days. Which were never as good as we remember, just conflated with being younger, which was mostly a good thing.;)

post #67 of 67
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The real definition of age is longing for the good old days. Which were never as good as we remember, just conflated with being younger, which was mostly a good thing.;)

 

Or not.  As I said, I have RECENTLY skied in Salomon SX-90E's...just two months ago and on otherwise modern gear (bindings and skis), and so my memories are fresh (and therefore are of value, perhaps).  

 

I retired the boots due to conflict between the rear shelf and the Z12 bindings (and an unfortunate interaction between the two).   But otherwise the boots would still work and are still of real value, IMO.  Even though I've retired them for now, I have not given up on them, nor on the idea behind them.

 

FWIW, my favorite Porsche dates from 1969...so you have made a point, too.   I'm just not that happy about it. 

 

 

CS

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