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post #1 of 19
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I thought I would relay what happened to me yesterday while tooling around on an easy mt. bike ride. I often ride the Boulder Open Space trails to the south and north of Boulder. Nothing technical but I can get out to the cows right away. Lots of people share these trails, from cyclists to joggers to walkers to dog walkers. Dogs are big in Boulder. I know these dogs will be out on these trails and about 50%-70% of the time they will be left to run on their own. The law states they need to be leashed or under voice control. But I anticipate having to voice control the dogs myself. I ride carefully, not blasting through places where people usually are walking, and I always slow for people and dogs and ring my bell so they know I'm coming. I am trying to be the good ambassador for bikes…I figure the last bike leaves the last(ing) impression so I try my best to be thoughtful and polite.

So, I’m riding along and I see some folks with dogs so I slow and ring my bell. Suddenly these two dogs are running up the trail at me. This happens. Dogs seem to like to run straight for the front wheel of a bike. I slow even more. Suddenly these two dogs are boiling around at my wheels and the big rottweiller mix on my left bites my leg. I took off cuz it wanted more. It chased me. As I pass its owner, under chase, I yelled, YOUR ****ING DOG JUST BIT ME! I’m now sprinting full blast up the trail with these two dogs in chase. There is a family ahead of me. I yell GET THE **** OUT OF MY WAY THIS DOG IS TRYING TO BITE ME! They move the dogs stop and I slow down and turn around. I apologized to the family for swearing at them but the father was on my side as the dog had chased his kid! He was yelling at this woman to leash her dog. I kept my cool and rolled near this woman who now had her dog by the collar, though it kept lunging at bikers passing on the path, missing one guy’s leg by inches.

I got the woman’s name. She was very apologetic, explaining her dog didn’t do that (HA!) and she didn’t realize how may people would be around on this path she had never been on before.

I rode on with blood dripping down my leg from three puncture wounds. After a bit I came to a trail intersection where I flagged down an Open Space Ranger for some medical kit care. He took down all the details and said he would be tracking down the owner of the dog to cite her for leash violations. The Rangers patrol the trail on bikes so they are very sympathetic to bikers, unlike the cops in this town…but that’s another story (cars rule in Boulder).

Taking the Rangers advice I went to the emergency room where they did nothing but take down an official animal control report. The wounds were not that bad. THey didn't deseve stitches or anything and were cleaned out already. The trauma surgeon who looked at me told me that Rottweillers are the dog most likely to attack and bite people without provocation, while pit bulls lead the league in attacks that kill

I am going to keep track of this to be sure this woman is found and fined, then I a going to have her pay my emergency room co-pay. If she doesn't then I may talk to a lawyer and she can pay the med bills AND legal fees.

Good news is the new custom Nobilette road bike is being put together right now. I'm heading to the shop to check out the paint job and to tend to the last dew details, like forking over a lot of money.

post #2 of 19
Oh my god how scary for you. Please do try and track this women down. Rottweillers are so very stong that they can cause more damage than most dogs. What if it had gone for the kid? This woman needs to be held accountable for her and her dogs actions.

I maybe a little biased as I too have been attaked by a Rottweiller, the guy gave the bystanders a fake name and address so nothing became of it.

I am a dog lover and am guilty of letting my dogs off leash, but in my defense we are very careful to ensure that they do not infringe on anyone. I would not take them on the busy Boulder trails. If we do encounter Mtn Bikers we get off trail.

It sounds as if you try hard to "share" the trails, sorry this happened.<FONT size="1">

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post #3 of 19
A can of pepper spray might have helped. If it doesn't work on the dog it will usually work on the owner.

Sorry, but a long time ago I was the Health Dept. guy who had to track the dog and victim. I have seen far too many maulings by all breeds and most of them were first time attacks................. That's why they have leash laws........... for all breeds.

All pooches when out in the "great outdoors" tend to get a bit more ferral in their behavior.
post #4 of 19
There is a Doberman in our neighborhood that is always off leash, and tends to try to attack our greyhound. Do they have Animal Control in Boulder? I beieve in Brookline its actually a sector of the Police Force.

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #5 of 19
Chimp, I happen to like dogs, but people should control them. Go for the type of pepper spray sold for Grizzly attacks.
post #6 of 19
Don't get me started! I could write a book on my continuing battle with loose dogs...but I won't. The number of cyclists and runners attacked by dogs who have "never done this before" is staggering. I lived in central Missouri for 3 years and really, really did not like the area. I trained with a local traithlon club (all 5 members) and discovered several things about cycling in central Missouri:

1. Every house outside the city limits has a dog in the yard.
2. No one ties up their dogs.
3. Dogs chase bikes.
4. Policemen in Missouri don't give a hoot about adults on bikes.

I would estimate I was chased by a dog on 80% of my rides and 60% of my runs. I ran in town, mostly so there weren't as many dogs. I was only bitten once but was kocked off my bike once. I highly recommend pepper spray. Even if I missed the dog, the smell was often enough to drive the dog away. When I forgot my spray or ran out (it's only good for 2-3 squirts) a water bottle spray sometimes worked.

Now that I'm ranting...

When I wasn't getting chased by dogs in Missouri, I was getting beer bottles thrown at me by rednecks in pickup trucks. The ones that didn't throw something usually let me know that they've somehow managed to figure out a way to link the shorts I've chosen to wear to my sexual orientation ("Nice shorts, ******!" was a common thing yelled at me...even while riding with my wife; go figure). The worst comments, though, came when riding with a black friend of mine. The things they yelled at him made "nice shorts ******" seem like a compliment.

Funny thing is that in 7 years of running and cycling in California, I've never been chased by a dog, never had any comments yelled at me (other than "you GO, dude!" while climbing Mount Diablo).

Now what exactly does all this have to do with the original post? Um...nothing, really, but I felt like ranting. Thanks for playing.
post #7 of 19
You're not really from Missouri unless:

When your front porch caves in.... at least three dogs die.
post #8 of 19

The stories I could tell about Missouri...

I actually saw this on the menu at a small restaurant:

Chicken Salad Sandwich (in season only)
post #9 of 19

That's a West Virginia joke. It's also one of the "You're a Redneck if..." jokes.

I've been lucky, I guess, and never been attacked by a dog while riding. However, a couple of weird things have happened recently with my dog, who is generally very well behaved, and responds very well to voice commands.

This weekend, I was in the garage cutting some wood, and my wife was out front cleaning one of the cars. The dog was rolling around in the grass, when he decided that he didn't recognize one of the guys next door, who was helping the neighbor work on his car. The dog took off barking, and got right in the guys face, barking his head off, with the hair standing up on his back. Scared the bejeezus out of the guy. As soon as my wife screamed at the dog, he came right back. But it was just weird.

The other thing that happened was my wife was walking the dog a couple weeks ago, when a German Shepard, from a house that she passed, got off his deck, where he is usually kept, and attacked my dog. He got a minor bite, and as soon as my wife yelled at the other dog, it stopped and left. Maybe it just that dogs are weird in the spring??

On a more entertaining note, he has been having fun chasing deer out of the yard lately.

**Due to the power shortage, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off indefinitely.
post #10 of 19
Worked on project in Missouri over the last few years, the local diner had a sign reading: "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Problem"

That was my first and last meal there.


post #11 of 19
I am a total dog person. SO here is my take.
First of all Rotties are some of the most lovable and loyal breeds known to man. Great with the family children and extremely protective. The extremely protective part is where they become aggressive. In most attack cases for one reason or another the dog must have felt that it or it's owner was being threatened. Now, that is for the properly raised pooches. Backward Ass Hicks tend to want their dogs to be aggressive and mean and the dog is usually a product of it's enviroment.

Now I am not a Canine Psycologist but here is the story of how I became confident with charging dogs.
As a kid there was a big mean Golden Lab, yes I said LAB, that sat on the pourch of the house up the street. Every time I rode my bike by the dog would chase me. THis went on for years. For him it was a game, for me it terror. One day the dog came charging out, I stopped. The dog looked at me and turned away. I learned something, dogs sense FEAR in humans.
My advice if approached by a dog while on your bike, dismount and put your cycle between you and the animal. Yell at it as if it were your own and it just ate your remote. Dogs want to be dominant, do not give the pooch the opportunity. They are smarter than we all give them credit for and unless the dog has been trained to attack it will turn away.
Running away only instills in them that they are dominant over you, a position you do not want to be in when 150lbs of pure muscle and teeth are starring you down.
Yes a dog can bite you, but if need be you could break it's neck or at least break a leg to stop the animal.
Astro, I am sorry to hear this happened to you, if this dog has a habit of biting people it should be put down. No questions, just put it to rest so that it will not harm someone else especially a child.
I have family that raise St. Bernards, wonderful loving dogs. Two of them have had to be put down because of aggressive, uncharacteristic behavior. If your dog bites someone you are opening yourself up for a lawsuit. Not just for medical bills but for mental anguish and the mental trauma the person might encounter during a dog attack.
SO remeber, take the offensive against dogs, do not show fear and at the least put your bike between you and the beast. A chainring in the back of the neck is a wonderful attitute adjustment for Rover. If all else fails and this is a wild rabid dog, then run......
post #12 of 19
JohnH - Don't mean to prejudge, but I'd check the stereo and count the silverware after your neighbour's friend visits. I'm not a "dog person", but I learned long ago to trust the initial reactions of dogs and kids, if they were that strong.

Way more often than not, time proved them right.
post #13 of 19

He did have that look about him. But that's one great thing about my dog. NO alarm will do what he does. You can't come within 20 feet of my front door without this "alarm" going off. But when he smells a deer at 4:00am, and goes into a barking rage, it's enough to send you into cardiac arrest.

I agree 100% with Argus. Remember, in most cases, you are bigger than the dog, and certainly taller. It's easy, but nerve racking at first, to take the offensive with another dog. I know that if I had been walking my dog when the German Shepard bit him, I would have taken the GS down, and dragged it's wounded body to the owner. I almost did this once when walking him at a park in Annapolis. Some mangy mutt started coming after him, so I went after the other dog. I couldn't catch him, though.
post #14 of 19
That "LOOK" might be a sign. Just found out that another of my families St.'s had to be put down. What is described as a 'glassy' or 'glossy' eyed look seems to be one of the traights that these dogs have had in common. The dog, could be your dog, appears to be looking straight at you but as if you are not there, a glossed over look in their eyes is a sign of warning.
Another story I heard was that a couple owned a ST., the dog showed some signs of aggressiveness, but the Man was unwilling to accept that his lovable female could harm anyone. Even the Vet said there might be something wrong and the that they should consider putting the dog down. The man refused. Awhile later while working in the back yard the dog attacked the wife, the man had to beat the dog with a shovel to get it off of his wife. They took the dog to the vet and had it put to sleep. The man still distraut and confused requested a autopsy. What they discovered was a brain tumor.
So If your own dog gets this 'glassy' look in their eyes it might be something you should talk with a vet about.
post #15 of 19
Scary stuff. I heard that if a dog has a hold of someone you should grab it by the hind legs and pick it up if your able. This will cause the dog to let go of what it has. But then you have a very mad dog in your hands. Make sure whatever it has you care deeply about. If it happens to be your loved one. It's probably worth it. <FONT size="1">

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post #16 of 19
Anybody that takes a dog into a public area should have total control over the animal regardless of it's instincts , if not it should be leashed. To many people think everbody will love their dog and even think the dog has the right to run free , sorry that's not the way it is. It seems that to many dogs a owned by neglectfull and idiotic people these days and when there is an incident the dog pays for not the moron that left it untrained.
As for attacks....a dog that bites when unprovoked should be a dead dog.
post #17 of 19
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Well, John Law located the owner of the dog that bit me. The woman admitted her dog bit me and has been summoned. As a witness I'll be able to apply for compensation for my medical bills which, if she pleads guilty in court, she'll have to pay. And she'll be fined. The Animal Control officer who took my statement told me the fines can run as hgh as $1,000 for something lke "Aggravated Pet" or somesuch violation. I doubt it will be that much. Also, the dog has been quarantined and its records for rabies shots etc will be checked out.

I have several people "advising" me (I use that term loosely) to sue for punitive damages. One whispers into my ear, "You could pay for your new bike!" Mabe I should stay up late watching bad tv to find a god lawyer. Heh heh.

But suing seems slimey if it is only for monetary gain. If this person had been an ass to me then I might seriously consider it. But she was very sorry and I would ke to think hads learned to deal with her dog diferently.

Oboe, or any other lawyertypes, what is your thinking on suing someone in a situation like mine?
post #18 of 19
I applaud you for feeling that a lawsuit seems "slimey" just for monetary gain. Puts a little bit of hope in our society for me. Yes get the medical paid for however..
post #19 of 19
Since you asking for a lawyers input and, the norms, mores and folkways of the varied states were topical:

Oboe is from Vermont but he may know the answer to this one!

Q. If a man and woman are divorced in West Virginia, are they still considered to be brother and sister??<FONT size="1">

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